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Understading vaccine efficacy

Interesting that you read Russian state media and feel it’s worth sharing
 
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Truth is truth regardless of who tells it

It’s just odd that you will question and disregard every single source that contradicts your beliefs but when it comes to an actual Russian propaganda outlet you show no skepticism at all
 
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It’s just odd that you will question and disregard every single source that contradicts your beliefs but when it comes to an actual Russian propaganda outlet you show no skepticism at all
You are hilarious 😂 what are Russia’s Covid numbers? What’s the difference between the Sputnik vaccination and the Western Vaccinations 💉? What is Russias selling point on their vaccinations over the Western Vaccinations? Facts not propaganda. I bet you have no clue. I do! I live in Europe. Next time just ask how I came to my conclusion instead of the outrageous uninformed conclusions.
 
You are hilarious 😂 what are Russia’s Covid numbers? What’s the difference between the Sputnik vaccination and the Western Vaccinations 💉? What is Russias selling point on their vaccinations over the Western Vaccinations? Facts not propaganda. I bet you have no clue. I do! I live in Europe. Next time just ask how I came to my conclusion instead of the outrageous uninformed conclusions.

This isn’t even a response to my criticism
 
This isn’t even a response to my criticism
In this day and age, all MSM is propaganda. It’s your job to search through the lies and decipher what’s real and what’s fake! I have done my research. Do yours!
 
You’re objectively bad at it.
😂 Says the guy who blindly follows the lead of the MSM lies and propaganda. Dude, I would rather try and fail at searching for the truth rather than follow the sheep that are being led by known liars!
 
😂. Let’s see what the numbers are. If only 50% of the population desires to get vaccinated, you would be calling lots of folks antivaxers. If, let’s say 70 percent get vaccinated, your Vaccination God Fauci said we should attain herd status. If those two instances occurred, there would be no need to place the yellow Star of David on non vaccinated individuals or send them to the vaccination gas chambers.
 
Posts like this trivalize the deaths of the more than million people who have already died of Covid. Some joke.
 
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It only takes a very basic analysis of the demographic trends in cases and vaccination rates to understand that this is false. The most vaccinated groups have been falling rapidly as a percentage of cases.
Yale is a pretty respected source. I’m not saying your wrong but isn’t it you that’s always harping on the source? 😂 or is it that the source isn’t supporting the narrative?
 
Yale is a pretty respected source. I’m not saying your wrong but isn’t it you that’s always harping on the source? 😂 or is it that the source isn’t supporting the narrative?

No see you're mistaking credentials for accumulated credibility. There's a story just about every day with the headline "experts say" and it generally means nothing to me. "Has this person/this news source established credibility over time on the subject in which they're opining/reporting" is the question I care about. But that's kind of beside the point of what I said.

This guy may or may not be someone to listen to on covid in general (I know nothing about him), but "I heard from some people" is an anecdote. Anecdotes by themselves are not reliable. Since his anecdote is completely contradicted by the data available and he uses no data to support his claim I'm inclined to believe he's not a credible source.
 
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For the last 7 weeks in Oklahoma the 65+ age group has made up 11.7% or less of all cases. These are the 7 lowest weeks since the heath department began releasing weekly demographic numbers. 80% of this group has had at least 1 shot and 67% are fully vaccinated. Pretty safe to say the vaccines work well.

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For the last 7 weeks in Oklahoma the 65+ age group has made up 11.7% or less of all cases. These are the 7 lowest weeks since the heath department began releasing weekly demographic numbers. 80% of this group has had at least 1 shot and 67% are fully vaccinated. Pretty safe to say the vaccines work well.

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This is a non sensical article. Biden says we are in a war time footing against Covid. Guess what, for the last 20 years of War, we have implemented the strategy of winning over the hearts and minds of the opposition. Spoiler alert 🚨 it doesn’t work! The question you should ask yourself is why the hell there is such a large portion 50% of the adult population that refuses to vaccinate. The harder the gov pushes the more resistance they will face just like any other campaign. The only solution to 70% is the final solution. How far are they willing to go for a virus that has a 99.3 % recovery rate?[/url]
 
Great..trivialize 565,000+ Americans dead in a year and the hundreds of thousands who would have died if shut downs, masks and social distancing hadn't been used at least temporarily. If you want to complain, compare the US dead and economic damage with these countries which followed the science, locked down early and stayed with it because their leaders led. Politicizing a public health issue is as destructive to democracy as the virus itself.
 
The question you should ask yourself is why the hell there is such a large portion 50% of the adult population that refuses to vaccinate. The harder the gov pushes the more resistance they will face just like any other campaign. The only solution to 70% is the final solution. How far are they willing to go for a virus that has a 99.3 % recovery rate?[/url]
In March 36% of people said they would not try to get vaccinated. In April that’s down to 26%. For Republicans it’s fallen from 57% to 44%. Sorry bud, you’re losing this battle.
 
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This is a non sensical article. Biden says we are in a war time footing against Covid. Guess what, for the last 20 years of War, we have implemented the strategy of winning over the hearts and minds of the opposition. Spoiler alert 🚨 it doesn’t work! The question you should ask yourself is why the hell there is such a large portion 50% of the adult population that refuses to vaccinate. The harder the gov pushes the more resistance they will face just like any other campaign. The only solution to 70% is the final solution. How far are they willing to go for a virus that has a 99.3 % recovery rate?[/url]
Guess my mom is just a statistic to you. Thanks.
 
In other news.... The virus mutations in India are becoming uncontrollable. This is significant in two ways.

A) the mutations that have developed there have shown signs that they are subversive to the usefulness of our current vaccines

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B) India is the worlds largest producer of vaccines, and as their economy slows to a crawl due to the strain of the catastrophe there, fewer and fewer exports of vaccines are making it out of India... meaning that other countries are going to be vulnerable even if the vaccines remain effective... which means more mutations and more chances for the US to double dip. How do you think our economy will react to a triple-dip of this at an even deadlier rate?
 
Great..trivialize 565,000+ Americans dead in a year and the hundreds of thousands who would have died if shut downs, masks and social distancing hadn't been used at least temporarily. If you want to complain, compare the US dead and economic damage with these countries which followed the science, locked down early and stayed with it because their leaders led. Politicizing a public health issue is as destructive to democracy as the virus itself.
The more you talk, the more I’m convinced you are a Chinese communist bot trolling. Nobody is trivializing death. I have had family members die just like you. Lockdowns don’t work. Where exactly does this BS Science works? 😂😂😂 Europe 🇬🇧? The only place where your science supposedly worked is Communist China where they boarded their own people in houses, leaving sick to die, and family members to starve. They shot anyone in the street. Trust the China stats right! WHO has stated multiple times that extended lockdowns are counter productive and we all know cloth masks do stop the spread of anything besides bad breath. You are constantly pushing the Chinese agenda here. Wether it’s adopting Chinese infrastructure strategies, freedom of speech issues, or lockdown, you are sold out to China and communism. If you love the Chinese way so bad, move there!
 
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Great..trivialize 565,000+ Americans dead in a year and the hundreds of thousands who would have died if shut downs, masks and social distancing hadn't been used at least temporarily. If you want to complain, compare the US dead and economic damage with these countries which followed the science, locked down early and stayed with it because their leaders led. Politicizing a public health issue is as destructive to democracy as the virus itself.
one year later, the Monday morning qbs are coming out in droves.
How soon they forget; trump shut off air travel from Europe and Asia and was criticized by Biden and the left for overreacting and being racist.
 
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A personal attack is a poor coverup for being dead wrong on the facts. People who don't get vaccinated are public health risks, as some are symptom free carriers and homes for mutations. Maybe they are ok, but the people they go on to infect are endangered and continue the spread.
In countries that did much better than the US, the consistent theme is leadership that took the virus seriously from beginning and implemented consistent public health measures. Examples of liberal democracies and US allies that did so include New Zealand, Australia, S. Korea, Taiwan, Israel, Japan and Iceland.
That some of these countries are in Asia is a result of their experience with SARS which prepared them for dealing with a pandemic. Unfortunately Bolton and Trump dismantled the White House pandemic response team prior to Covid and opposed implementing basic public health measures consistently. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died who did not need to.
In sum, the US response in 2020 was erratic, politicized, and its detrimental effects continue.
 
A personal attack is a poor coverup for being dead wrong on the facts. People who don't get vaccinated are public health risks, as some are symptom free carriers and homes for mutations. Maybe they are ok, but the people they go on to infect are endangered and continue the spread.
In countries that did much better than the US, the consistent theme is leadership that took the virus seriously from beginning and implemented consistent public health measures. Examples of liberal democracies and US allies that did so include New Zealand, Australia, S. Korea, Taiwan, Israel, Japan and Iceland.
That some of these countries are in Asia is a result of their experience with SARS which prepared them for dealing with a pandemic. Unfortunately Bolton and Trump dismantled the White House pandemic response team prior to Covid and opposed implementing basic public health measures consistently. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died who did not need to.
In sum, the US response in 2020 was erratic, politicized, and its detrimental effects continue.
Because there is no research to support your statement about vaccinations against Covid I would actually say that people who are vaccinated pose more of a threat to society because they have chosen to take an experimental vaccination that could lead to mass deaths. The Army is actually developing their own vaccination to ensure they aren’t being sabotaged. Unvaccinated people have a 99.3 % chance of full recovery so the real risk is the unknown vaccination. You never mentioned the European countries who didn’t lock down and did just fine! I will reiterate that Communist Chinas response is not our way! Every single country you listed has a socialist/communist system. I’m American and believe in Western values and the freedoms provided in the US constitution. Your socialist/communist views of the world are NOT American and I find them extremely offensive. Are the Chinese paying you?
 
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For the last 7 weeks in Oklahoma the 65+ age group has made up 11.7% or less of all cases. These are the 7 lowest weeks since the heath department began releasing weekly demographic numbers. 80% of this group has had at least 1 shot and 67% are fully vaccinated. Pretty safe to say the vaccines work well.

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Down to 6.6% of all cases this past week. With the most vulnerable groups representing only 6.6% of the roughly 250 cases per day, we’re almost certainly at negative excess deaths.

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National vaccine numbers are pretty good. More than 80% of seniors vaccinated and 58% of all adults vaccinated. You’re basically the equivalent of Baghdad Bob. You’ve already lost
 
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