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The match up zone was mastered tonight.
When you get run out of your gym by a .500 team, it’s time for you to go... #firehaithnow
And that’s why I am so sadWichita’s worst team in years. ...............
Wow, There just isn’t any words.
WSU fans hate him? Am I missing the joke?let's not overly praise Marshall - WSU's fans hate him and their record is 13-12 6-7 in the league. Hardly a genius coach.
Wichita State literally lost 12 players from last year’s team. WSU fans would have to be delusional to not expect a down year when that occurs. Marshall is easily the best coach in our conference. A fan base has no right to blame a coach that has brought them to a final fourWSU fans hate him? Am I missing the joke?
let's not overly praise Marshall - WSU's fans hate him and their record is 13-12 6-7 in the league. Hardly a genius coach.
Wichita State literally lost 12 players from last year’s team. WSU fans would have to be delusional to not expect a down year when that occurs. Marshall is easily the best coach in our conference. A fan base has no right to blame a coach that has brought them to a final four
Frank is like Monty, it’s been clear for quite a while that he isn’t the answer. Issue is just when can we get rid of him and have enough resources and good enough situation to get a good replacement. We don’t want to end up with a bargain basement scrub replacement.So I guess the consensus is that Haith's contract should not be extended?
He was "bent over" by Marshall tonight.
Frank is at least mediocre and can field a semi-competitive team. Montgomery has been fielding garbage teams the past 2 years. Can barely scrape out 2-3 wins a year .Haith has us at mediocre at best. It is a disservice and insult to Frank Haith to compare him to Philip MontgomeryFrank is like Monty, it’s been clear for quite a while that he isn’t the answer. Issue is just when can we get rid of him and have enough resources and good enough situation to get a good replacement. We don’t want to end up with a bargain basement scrub replacement.
We don’t want to end up with a bargain basement scrub replacement.
In all honesty, there are plenty of talented coaches out there that could be had for pennies on the dollar. The hard part is finding them and retaining them when they do well.This is one of my main concerns... I’m not in love with Frank or the results he’s produced at all, but TU will likely swing the pendulum way too far in the opposite direction (when/if we move on from frank). Sometimes we’re our own worst enemy.
But to be clear, it’s really, really hard to find that great overlooked gem. And our track record in recent years has been pretty dismal. What was our last good hire in major sports? Todd Graham? I suspect we’d be more likely to end up with a John Phillips clone. That’s why I think moving on from the current AD is the first job.In all honesty, there are plenty of talented coaches out there that could be had for pennies on the dollar. The hard part is finding them and retaining them when they do well.
They’re both not good enough. Whether they’re moderately not good enough or a lot not good enough doesn’t really matter to me. It’s like debating whether this guy is more dead than that guy. Neither is going home so who cares?Frank is at least mediocre and can field a semi-competitive team. Montgomery has been fielding garbage teams the past 2 years. Can barely scrape out 2-3 wins a year .Haith has us at mediocre at best. It is a disservice and insult to Frank Haith to compare him to Philip Montgomery
But to be clear, it’s really, really hard to find that great overlooked gem. And our track record in recent years has been pretty dismal. What was our last good hire in major sports? Todd Graham? I suspect we’d be more likely to end up with a John Phillips clone. That’s why I think moving on from the current AD is the first job.
Beg to differ. See UH record last 2 years plus current record & ranking. Marshall might be #2 however.Marshall is easily the best
Yes it is.....That's assuming you are athletic enough and quickSeriously, it’s OK to play a different defense.
Not sure how Manning would have turned out had he stayed. He had some recruiting issues certainly, and I acknowledge that he didn't do well at a tougher gig in the ACC... but he did have his guys rolling at the end of the season during his second year. Enough to entice Haith to jump ship, thinking that there was a team in place he could win with (like he did at Mizzou).But to be clear, it’s really, really hard to find that great overlooked gem. And our track record in recent years has been pretty dismal. What was our last good hire in major sports? Todd Graham? I suspect we’d be more likely to end up with a John Phillips clone. That’s why I think moving on from the current AD is the first job.
Personally I think Danny and Frank are about the same level, along with Wojick who’s a smidge worse but not much. Definitely not a Tubby or Self. Or even a Steve Kragthorpe to mix apples and oranges. They’re all three a whole big level below what we need. But just my 2 cents.Not sure how Manning would have turned out had he stayed. He had some recruiting issues certainly, and I acknowledge that he didn't do well at a tougher gig in the ACC... but he did have his guys rolling at the end of the season during his second year. Enough to entice Haith to jump ship, thinking that there was a team in place he could win with (like he did at Mizzou).
Lol this is like the guys ordering off the taco Mayo $.49 menu arguing over whether lobster tail or prime rib is better.Beg to differ. See UH record last 2 years plus current record & ranking. Marshall might be #2 however.
I think part of the problem might be that it’s been quite some time since we’ve hired a coach who was on the rise as a HC from another program. Haith was in decline at Missouri. The only other time we’ve done so recently was graham. The others all seemed to be high level assistants or program insiders. Guys like Gramam or Self or Richardson who take prove they can squeeze water from stones at low tier programs like UTEP, Rice, or ORU should be who we pursue.Personally I think Danny and Frank are about the same level, along with Wojick who’s a smidge worse but not much. Definitely not a Tubby or Self. Or even a Steve Kragthorpe to mix apples and oranges. They’re all three a whole big level below what we need. But just my 2 cents.
In the NBA, that's when teams decide to blow up their teams and tank for quality young pieces. Maybe we should blow it up? I'm not sure I'm happy with .600 basketball year after year. It gives me nothing to get excited about.Frank's won-loss record at TU is about 60%. By now we know what to expect from him in the future. Win just enough to be a little over .500, but not enough to ever go partying anywhere.
Frank’s career record over 14.5 seasons as a head coach is 60.8%. So I think you’re absolutely right, we know what we’re goung to get.Frank's won-loss record at TU is about 60%. By now we know what to expect from him in the future. Win just enough to be a little over .500, but not enough to ever go partying anywhere.