osu, what to expect?
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Kansas is the next ole miss in my opinion. They have been getting better recruits that should be going to Alabama and LSU. There is absolutely no reason that they should be able to even be interested in KU. Not to say KU couldn't work up to that level, they have no bowl seasons or any success to warrant their recruiting. It just sounds like something fishy going on there. They want to build a stadium but haven't been to a bowl in 10 years.
I agree that Houston would compete in the big 12 but to say they would own Houston is like saying TCU would own Dallas. It is a huge area for recruits.
Besides that- A majority of OSUs play makers are not even from the Houston area. Rudolph is from South Carolina, hill is from Tulsa, Washington is from Stamford tx in the Texas panhandle, Ateman is from Dallas, stoner is from jenks ok, mccleskey is from Louisiana, lacy is from desoto tx, a majority of the offensive line is from the Dallas area. The defense has guys from all over Texas as well. There
may only be a few players from Houston in mcgruder linebacker and brown- cowboy back.
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There was one, but it was pretty much just their fans saying it would be over by half
These threads crack me up every year. It's either OU or OSU but it's always the same. Our fans clamoring for respect and their fans dismissing our chances. If we could ever string together some wins against OU or OSU or some other P5 team that isn't Kansas we will earn a healthy level of respect and fear. Until then, I'd keep patting us on the head too if I were in their shoes.
I would give you guys a chance if it was in a year that you were not breaking in a freshman QB and OSU was putting out probably their best QB/offense in the last 10 years potentially
President isn't a freshman. He and skipper are still battling for the job. Either way it will be a new starter, though.
OSU has elite skill position players but doesn't have a good enough OL to be the best offense in the country. The defense will be worse than last season by a decent margin imo after losing its best player at every level of the defense. OSU hasn't recruited well enough on that side of the ball to seamlessly replace Taylor, Burton, averette, and sterns. I think it is a little optimistic to expect the defense to be above average when it wasnt even above average last season and lost most of its top players.
OSU will have elite defensive ends and corners. Gundy has raved about our corners so much that they moved all their seniors at that position to safety. OSU will be better on defense. You are in for a rude awakenings
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Not as much as OSU will be on the 31st when it's still a game in the 4th. Like I said, you may beat us, but it won't be how the OSU faithful think
OSU does not have elite corners. I will grant you that the DEs will be above average but definitely not elite. OSU had 1 elite player on its defense last season in taylor and he's gone now. OSU's defense will be ranked around in the 75-100 range. The offense will be top 10.
That's a retort from someone who has no data to support an opposing argument. OSU's defense is littered with 2 and 3 star recruits. They don't have any elite players, sorry.
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AJ Green and Rod. Williams are good enough to replace two seniors at corner. Both are aggressive pit bulls who have been giving our wide receivers fits in practice.
As for defensive end, one starter was injured last year and will return in brailford. Owens, Waltersheid, weber had an excellent season last year. Levini another starter is coming back off injury. They are loaded at defensive end.
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Darrion Daniels and Osborne are OSUs tackles and both are 4 star recruits. Recruiting rankings don't mean jack. We have guys in the NFL that were little 3 star recruits
I have noticed that about OSU fans, claim greatness, can't give LEGITIMATE examples other then, " This is the best you will see"
Darrion Daniels is a legit 4* but Osborne was a 2* out of high school. Enoch smith was a low-end 4* on rivals (3* everywhere else). The d ends are above average, certainly not elite, since none of them are projected to be drafted.
Gundy does as good a job as any coach at evaluating and developing players but recruit rankings absolutely matter. In the past 20+ years there's only been 1 team to win the national title without at least 2 top 10 recruiting classes on its roster (ou in 2000).
The reality is osu has less talent on defense than they had last season. Tulsa will be able to score.
I disagree that our talent is less on defense. I think you will be surprised. Vincent Taylor a 3 star recruit from OSU was not highly sought after until his junior year and the same goes with 3 star Emmanuel Ogbah.
It is really quite common for us to have a few defensive players that no one heard of to have a monster year. Our defensive line and s&C are big time.
OSU can improve significantly by having good run support in the secondary. I expect a break out year for our corners and ends.
I think brailford and Weber will be elite ends. Daniels should improve at tackle and Osborne played well last year. The defensive line should be very good.
OSU doesn't need a top 10 defense to win a bunch of games. Top 50 could be good enough.
Couldn't resist joining the ruckus. I'll self assign myself as voice of the Pokes as another poster on here may not be the best representative. I've been lurking for a bit so I'll respond to some of the things I've seen, because I'm too lazy to search them out and respond directly.
For those who feel disrespected, most of the optimism from Cowboy fans really is more about us than our perception of Tulsa.
If we played you guys the first game of last year, I'm not so sure how it would have gone. By the end of the year we were playing pretty well. When Rudolph and Washington opted to return, cautious optimism lost the cautious part. When we got a couple of grad transfers exactly where most needed it turned into irrational optimism for me.
I don't see it being over by half, but I do think our receivers will wear down your D in the second half. To over simplify things a bit, I'll take a QB whose yards can be measured in miles on his 31st start, at home, over a QB in his first start, on the road.
As far as that 1 great season a decade, we will likely have our 6th 10 win season in the last 10 years. Good luck and yes, if we win, I will be touting this as a quality win.
For those who feel disrespected, most of the optimism from Cowboy fans really is more about us than our perception of Tulsa.
If we played you guys the first game of last year, I'm not so sure how it would have gone. By the end of the year we were playing pretty well. When Rudolph and Washington opted to return, cautious optimism lost the cautious part. When we got a couple of grad transfers exactly where most needed it turned into irrational optimism for me.
I don't see it being over by half, but I do think our receivers will wear down your D in the second half. To over simplify things a bit, I'll take a QB whose yards can be measured in miles on his 31st start, at home, over a QB in his first start, on the road.
As far as that 1 great season a decade, we will likely have our 6th 10 win season in the last 10 years. Good luck and yes, if we win, I will be touting this as a quality win.
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We might have less experience but I think time will prove that we did have more talent. Doesn't count until we do it.
I've never been a "stars don't matter" guy, but there are 2 consistent examples of the system being flawed, OSU and Texas, for opposite reasons. We keep having a class ranked in the 30's and somehow often end up ranked in the teens.
It has nothing to do with powderpuff ooc schedules and playing in the weakest P6 conference?
Btw.. does Boone make you wear the speedos while you rub him down with cocoa butter?
People dismiss the conference because the blue bloods haven't carried the banner as much, but the rumors of the Big 12 demise are greatly exaggerated.
We usually schedule at least 1 pretty good non conference game. Last year we beat a team that beat Penn State and gave Clemson their only loss.
As far as Boone and the speedo thing, we all do as he requests. You sign something that promises you will when you buy season tickets. Don't ask for pics.
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Lol, got to get the tickets somehow ! Where I may disagree with the prediction you made, I can say I respect your opinion, mostly because you didn't just pop of " OSU by 40" and not give any reasonable explanation why. Good luck to you all as well!
I am an OSU, but have my masters from TU. That being said, the TU fans here are over valuing their team (because it gives them hope) and under valuing OSU (because it gives them hope).
Let's go to an objective source for comparison. Athlons has rated all of the Top 50 position groups in FBS football. Here's how the break down between the two teams:
QB: Rudolph #7 overall, Skipper #25 in the Top 25 breakout QBs, so probably around #45 overall.
Offensive Line: OSU #36, Tulsa #21
RB corps: OSU #35, Tulsa Unranked
WR Corps : OSU #1, Tulsa Unranked
DBs: OSU Unranked, Tulsa Unranked
LBs: OSU #47, Tulsa Unranked
Defensive Lineman: OSU #28, Tulsa Unranked
- CBS Sports has Mason Rudolph listed as the #4 pick in next year's NFL draft.
-Athlons lists OSU as the #10 team and Tulsa as #60
-OSU is two to three deep at every position on the DL. Rotating players frequently will wear down the TU OL and by he 3rd quarter,any advantage TU has on he OL will be negated.
-OSU is two deep at every WR position, with very limited to no drop off in effectiveness. Platooning these WRs like hockey lines will wear down the TU DBs by the 3rd quarter and have them gassed four snaps in to any drive that doesn't go 3 and out.
As such, look for a lively game to halftime, and then watch OSU pull away for a three TD win.
Let's go to an objective source for comparison. Athlons has rated all of the Top 50 position groups in FBS football. Here's how the break down between the two teams:
QB: Rudolph #7 overall, Skipper #25 in the Top 25 breakout QBs, so probably around #45 overall.
Offensive Line: OSU #36, Tulsa #21
RB corps: OSU #35, Tulsa Unranked
WR Corps : OSU #1, Tulsa Unranked
DBs: OSU Unranked, Tulsa Unranked
LBs: OSU #47, Tulsa Unranked
Defensive Lineman: OSU #28, Tulsa Unranked
- CBS Sports has Mason Rudolph listed as the #4 pick in next year's NFL draft.
-Athlons lists OSU as the #10 team and Tulsa as #60
-OSU is two to three deep at every position on the DL. Rotating players frequently will wear down the TU OL and by he 3rd quarter,any advantage TU has on he OL will be negated.
-OSU is two deep at every WR position, with very limited to no drop off in effectiveness. Platooning these WRs like hockey lines will wear down the TU DBs by the 3rd quarter and have them gassed four snaps in to any drive that doesn't go 3 and out.
As such, look for a lively game to halftime, and then watch OSU pull away for a three TD win.
Just because a site says something doesn't make it true, I mean heck , they had Texas ranked #24! Also, TU and OSU are pretty evenly matched at RB and defensive line. The only reason OSU ranks higher in those categories is because they are "P5"
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