havent looked in a couple of days so wasnt sureGoldin is in the portal.
Yep. Either play the game like everyone else or just give up on D1 sports. We have to stop wishing things were different and adapt to the new realityI see several donors on here that are still hesitant in contributing to NIL. This is now the ONLY way our basketball team will continue to exist at least how you wish it to exist. Other schools who have plenty of NIL donors will be taking those top 4 spots in the league for a long time if we don’t attempt to compete with them. I contribute to the Champions fund too, but it does nothing to help retain our best players.
Name | Year | Position | Team Leaving | Team going to |
Igor Milicic Jr. | Junior | SF | Charlotte | |
Dishon Jackson | Sophomore | Center | Charlotte | Iowa State |
Jackson Threadgill | Junior | SG | Charlotte | |
Daylen Berry | Sophomore | SG | Charlotte | |
Iaroslav Niagu | Sophomore | Center | Charlotte | |
Sterling Young | Junior | PG | Charlotte | |
Benjamin Bayela | Senior | SG | East Carolina | |
Ta'Korrie Faison | Freshman | SF | East Carolina | |
Jaden Walker | Junior | SG | East Carolina | |
Bobby Pettiford | Junior | PG | East Carolina | |
Kalib Lacount | Sophomore | PG | East Carolina | |
Brandon Johnson | Junior | PF | East Carolina | |
Ezra Ausar | Sophomore | PF | East Carolina | |
Logan Bourgeois | Freshman | PG | East Carolina | |
Valentino Pinedo | Sophomore | SF | East Carolina | |
Nicholas Boyd | Sophomore | PG | Florida Atlantic | |
Vladislav Goldin | Junior | Center | Florida Atlantic | |
Giancarlo Rosado | Junior | PF | Florida Atlantic | |
Javonte Taylor | Freshman | SF | Memphis | |
Jayhlon Young | Junior | PG | Memphis | |
Mikey Williams | Freshman | PG | Memphis | UCF |
Jonathan Pierre | Junior | SG | Memphis | |
Carl Cherenfant | Freshman | SG | Memphis | |
Jason Edwards | Sophomore | PG | North Texas | |
Christian Moore | Sophomore | PG | North Texas | |
Chris Morgan | Sophomore | PF | North Texas | |
Rubin Jones | Junior | PG | North Texas | |
Aaron Scott | Junior | SG | North Texas | |
Cameron Sheffield | Junior | SF | Rice | |
Keanu Dawes | Freshman | PF | Rice | |
Mekhi Mason | Sophomore | SG | Rice | |
Alem Huseinovic | Junior | SG | Rice | |
Anthony Seldon | Junior | SG | Rice | |
Andrew Akuchie | Sophomore | PF | Rice | |
Camp Wagner | Freshman | SG | Rice | |
Gabe Warren | Freshman | SG | Rice | |
Sam Hines | Junior | SF | South Florida | |
Gerald Jones | Sophomore | Center | South Florida | |
David Ogunleye | Junior | PF | South Florida | |
Taj Thweatt | Junior | SF | Temple | |
Deuce Roberts | Freshman | SG | Temple | |
Emmanuel Okpomo | Junior | Center | Temple | |
Hysier Miller | Junior | PG | Temple | |
Jahlil White | Junior | SG | Temple | |
Max Bowman | Sophomore | PG | Tulane | |
Kolby King | Sophomore | PG | Tulane | |
Mier Panoam | Freshman | PG | Tulane | |
Chauncey Gibson | Freshman | SG | Tulsa | UT Arlington |
Jared Hall | Freshman | SF | Tulsa | |
PJ Haggerty | Freshman | PG | Tulsa | |
Carlous Williams | Junior | SF | Tulsa | |
Barry Dunning | Sophomore | SG | UAB | |
Daniel Ortiz | Junior | PG | UAB | |
James White | Junior | SG | UAB | |
K. J. Satterfield | Freshman | SG | UAB | |
Christian Tucker | Junior | PG | UTSA | |
Jordan Ivy-Curry | Junior | PG | UTSA | Virginia Tech |
Trey Edmonds III | Junior | Center | UTSA | |
Chandler Cuthrell | Junior | PF | UTSA | |
Massal Diouf | Sophomore | PF | UTSA | |
Adante Holiman | Sophomore | PG | UTSA | |
Isaac Abidde | Sophomore | PF | Wichita State | |
Jalen Ricks | Sophomore | SG | Wichita State | |
Kenny Pohto | Junior | Center | Wichita State | |
Colby Rogers | Junior | SG | Wichita State | |
Trevor McBride | Freshman | PG | Wichita State | |
Oklahoma Schools | ||||
John Hugley | Junior | PF | Oklahoma | |
Otega Oweh | Sophomore | SG | Oklahoma | |
Javian McCollum | Junior | PG | Oklahoma | |
Milos Uzan | Sophomore | PG | Oklahoma | |
Brandon Garrison | Freshman | Center | Oklahoma State | |
Eric Dailey | Freshman | SF | Oklahoma State | |
Naz Brown | Sophomore | PG | Oklahoma State | |
Javon Small | Junior | PG | Oklahoma State | |
Quion Williams | Sophomore | SG | Oklahoma State | |
Cam Amboree | Sophomore | PG | ORU | |
Jailen Bedford | Junior | SG | ORU | |
Trey Phipps | Junior | PG | ORU | |
Demari Williams | Sophomore | SG | ORU | |
Isaac McBride | Junior | PG | ORU | |
Elijah Lawrence | Sophomore | PG | ORU | |
Jake Shannon | Junior | SG | ORU | |
Ashton Smith | Sophomore | PF | ORU |
Name | Year | Position | Team Leaving | Team going to |
Nae’Qwan Tomlin | Junior | PF | Kansas State | Memphis |
Not debating the truth of your comments at all. I think my point is closer to “This is not sustainable. Something has got to change.”I see several donors on here that are still hesitant in contributing to NIL. This is now the ONLY way our basketball team will continue to exist at least how you wish it to exist. Other schools who have plenty of NIL donors will be taking those top 4 spots in the league for a long time if we don’t attempt to compete with them. I contribute to the Champions fund too, but it does nothing to help retain our best players.
Yes, this is not sustainable for Tulsa. We don't have a large enough fan base that truly cares that can give enough money to keep the best players at Tulsa and away from the schools with huge NIL money.Not debating the truth of your comments at all. I think my point is closer to “This is not sustainable. Something has got to change.”
What college sports leadership needs to understand is that there are two categories of fans that they are serving:
- Casual fans are buying entertainment.
- Committed fans are buying hope. Hope that this year we’ll win the conference/make the tourney/get to the playoff/etc.
If the majority of committed fans from the majority of DI schools that don’t have mega-$$$ feel like it’s pointless to keep hoping, then they will slowly morph into casual fans. And that will not be good for anyone involved.
Incidentally, the reason worldwide soccer leagues have such fanatical fanbases (at all levels, not just the top flight) partly has to do with hope. Every team has “hope” pretty much all season long, every season.
- Hope we get promoted.
- Hope we don’t get relegated.
- Hope we qualify for the Champions League/Europa/Cup.
- Hope we make the knockout rounds.
- Hope we win the title.
Contrast that with the KC Royals. Their season is usually effectively over about 20% of the way through the year. And what is left to hope for? That we don’t finish in last place? (There’s no punishment if we do! Actually get rewarded with better draft picks!)
In soccer that’s called a “sale on” clause and it’s inevitable in college sports.And this is because the NILs and schools haven't started playing the game to give them some leverage in this insanity. Schools in so called lesser conferences need to even the game up somehow and this is the way to do it. The players are certainly signing some sort of NIL contract/agreement, so now it's time to add some teeth to it. Here's the thing, most of these NIL deals are just booster payments directly to the player with no services being provided. You've had a few sign lucrative NIL deals where the player actually had their names/likenesses used in ads for the companies paying them. Caleb Williams and Wendy's, Caitlin Clark and State Farm. That was more the whole point...that and EA being able to bring back their NCAA games, schools being able to market jerseys with actual player numbers on them, players being able to go to card and memorabilia shows and signing things for $$ and appearance fees. Ed O'Bannon started this, Jeremy Bloom quit playing college football because the NCAA said he couldn't take money for being one of the best trick and stunt skiers in history despite the fact that it had no bearing on his status as an amateur football player (do you all remember how freaking fast this kid was?)
The NIL thing went way the opposite direction and combined with the stupidity that is the transfer portal, you've basically got college free agency by the day, not even the year. And as long as the courts are going to treat college athletes like their pro athletes, then it's time for the collectives and schools to treat them as such to with employment agreements/contracts they must sign. Screw LOIs anymore, they haven't meant anything in years. They wanted the freedom to move like coaches do, well then they can sign on for buyout clauses as well. A place like TU should include the cost of the NIL, the cost of training, gear, tuition, etc. plus remaining lost years as part of the buyout. If Texas wants PJ that bad, let them pony up $300k as the buyout.
1000% Agree!Not debating the truth of your comments at all. I think my point is closer to “This is not sustainable. Something has got to change.”
What college sports leadership needs to understand is that there are two categories of fans that they are serving:
- Casual fans are buying entertainment.
- Committed fans are buying hope. Hope that this year we’ll win the conference/make the tourney/get to the playoff/etc.
If the majority of committed fans from the majority of DI schools that don’t have mega-$$$ feel like it’s pointless to keep hoping, then they will slowly morph into casual fans. And that will not be good for anyone involved.
Incidentally, the reason worldwide soccer leagues have such fanatical fanbases (at all levels, not just the top flight) partly has to do with hope. Every team has “hope” pretty much all season long, every season.
- Hope we get promoted.
- Hope we don’t get relegated.
- Hope we qualify for the Champions League/Europa/Cup.
- Hope we make the knockout rounds.
- Hope we win the title.
Contrast that with the KC Royals. Their season is usually effectively over about 20% of the way through the year. And what is left to hope for? That we don’t finish in last place? (There’s no punishment if we do! Actually get rewarded with better draft picks!)
I’ve always thought transferring in conference is a bad look. Lots of kids seem to do it though. Is what it is.Haggerty committed to Memphis? I have lost ALL respect for this kid.
Kid has just proven he's a loser who wants to play for a loser coach. If he went to a P5 i kinda get it...but to memphis? LOL. what a clown. good riddence.I’ve always thought transferring in conference is a bad look. Lots of kids seem to do it though. Is what it is.
Yeah. Figured he would go back to Texas and play for the Horns or Aggies. I was wrong.Kid has just proven he's a loser who wants to play for a loser coach. If he went to a P5 i kinda get it...but to memphis? LOL. what a clown. good riddence.
I can't imagine how pissed Konkol is, it's a total slap in the face. I will root against that kid at every turn now.Yeah. Figured he would go back to Texas and play for the Horns or Aggies. I was wrong.
My goal is to make him cry any time he comes to the Reynold's Center and not just about losing to TUI can't imagine how pissed Konkol is, it's a total slap in the face. I will root against that kid at every turn now.
The kid clearly showed his character. One week in the portal and going to Memphis...NCAA clearly doesn't care about anything and PJ just crapped on all the people at TU who brought out the best in him. I wish him THE WORST.My goal is to make him cry any time he comes to the Reynold's Center and not just about losing to TU
To stay in conference and play for a loser coach also? Total slap in the face.20 years old and likely getting .5M to play next year.
Lots of 20 year olds are only about money when the money gets that high.
I’m guessing $500k is likely low. $700k-$800k range.20 years old and likely getting .5M to play next year.
Lots of 20 year olds are only about money when the money gets that high.
I went low intentionally so my statement would be correct + some, instead of too high.I’m guessing $500k is likely low. $700k-$800k range.
He's right. Also, there is no question Penny needs to be investigated like Pitino did. This whole situation is a massive crock of crap.Pat Jones was just talking about Haggerty. He said what Haggerty did and being able to play immediately and the whole situation in college football and basketball is Nutsville.
Even if you don't care for Jones, he's right in my opinion.
Abmas didn't get anywhere near $500K from TX last year and was 2nd team Big12. They aren't going to pay anyone $500K to come play there. ( In Basketball) Maybe offered $200k to $250K at most. I wouldn't think even that high.Yeah. Figured he would go back to Texas and play for the Horns or Aggies. I was wrong.
Agreed.Abmas didn't get anywhere near $500K from TX last year and was 2nd team Big12. They aren't going to pay anyone $500K to come play there. ( In Basketball) Maybe offered $200k to $250K at most. I wouldn't think even that high.
I’ve got pretty good sources that the Garrison kid from OSU has been offered north of $500k by a couple of schools. Since Haggerty is rated above him in the transfer rankings I assumed his offers would be at least similar.Abmas didn't get anywhere near $500K from TX last year and was 2nd team Big12. They aren't going to pay anyone $500K to come play there. ( In Basketball) Maybe offered $200k to $250K at most. I wouldn't think even that high.
Ok, let's put this to bed and move on.I’ve got pretty good sources that the Garrison kid from OSU has been offered north of $500k by a couple of schools. Since Haggerty is rated above him in the transfer rankings I assumed his offers would be at least similar.
First, we need to get those kind of players here in the first place. (That takes NIL money.) If we didn't have Haggerty here this year, where would this team have been. It might have been another 5 win season.So if I give a couple of thousand dollars to NIL next week in addition to what I donate to the Champions Fund and it helps get another player here with eligibility beyond the 2024, 2025 season, that has a season as good as Haggerty just had.
Then in March, 2025, that same player enters the portal and leaves for another school simply for more NIL money. No thank you, I'm not participating in that BS.
I'll Increase my Champions Fund donation again before I do NIL.
Maybe my thoughts will change in time if there are some rules added to stop the crazy crap that goes on now.
I'm okay with college athletes getting paid, but there need to be some changes made about leaving without any restrictions.
Are we thinking anymore of our players or core are going to be entering the portal?First, we need to get those kind of players here in the first place. If we didn't have Haggerty here this year, where would this team have been. It might have been another 5 win season.
Second, Haggerty got us through last year with 16 wins. Now that we have a core team to work with, it will be much easier to at least reach that level, and to hopefully find greater success. Haggerty & Cobe did get us past that hump of inexperience.
It's a shame he's choosing to go somewhere where the coaching was subpar and just throws cash at him, that's it. He is just slapping everyone at TU in the face who ever cared about him. It's just gross.The NIL money Haggerty gets from Memphis will be the most money he will ever make playing basketball.
He might have got more from Memphis i don't know. I just know what TX is giving out for basketball and he wouldn't have got near that amount there.I’ve got pretty good sources that the Garrison kid from OSU has been offered north of $500k by a couple of schools. Since Haggerty is rated above him in the transfer rankings I assumed his offers would be at least similar.
Are we thinking anymore of our players or core are going to be entering the portal?
I wish this were hockey. There'd be some come uppance delivered when these two teams play next year.Ok, let's put this to bed and move on.
Who are we looking at now and how can we keep improving this roster?
We only have 7 left and all but 1 or 2 of them are core. I hope none of the core are leaving, but we aren't out of the hot water yet. I wish we would get another player or two to sign on rather quickly. I hope that happens, such that the one player I'm worried about, feels a little more comfortable sticking around.
He will be a little easier to keep our NIL competitive with on those that might be trying to lure him away. The further away from Haggerty declaring the portal, the better I'll feel. Another 7-10 days without him declaring will make me a little more secure that he won't declare. The last day you can declare is May 1, but I'll be more at ease if he hasn't declared by April 15.
The problem will then be the teams getting desperate during the tail end of being able to declare. More money might be thrown/rumored his way at that point. Those last few days before May 1 (29th-1st) will make me nervous again.
Yeah, I was talking bout Archie. I figured Haggerty was gone the moment he entered the portal.Haggerty is already gone, unless he changed his mind.
Are you talking about Archie or someone else?