you’re a classy guy
I’m commenting on the actual situation as it stands, not your hypothetical covid porn wet dream
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Making Covid permanent?
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you’re a classy guy
I’m commenting on the actual situation as it stands, not your hypothetical covid porn wet dream
When was the last time numerous states threw out the exemptions to mandatory vaccines ? I’m talking about states which recognize exemptions btw.
There haven't been those cases because so few have opted for religious exemptions and so many complied with what were essentially mandates. The vaccines prevented outbreaks so there were no reasons to get rid of the avenue for the few who used it.
I'm commenting on the actual situation as it stands as well. There are multiple states where people are being turned away from hospitals due to unavailability for emergency care. Seriously, your mom got lucky. I'm glad that she did, but it seems a bit like you have a 'let them eat cake' attitude. I.e. dismissive of actual societal complaints because they haven't effected you specifically.
Good to know that you care more about people fighting religious wars 1000's of miles away than you care your neighbors down the street.
You stated those “exceptions are thrown out the window in a number of states during times of outbreaks”. You appear to be all over the place with this discussion. Have states “thrown those exceptions out the window in times of outbreaks” ? Not trying to be argumentative as I’ve looked and can’t find any evidence of states temporarily revoking their religions or personal vaccine exemptions. Can you give me a link showing those states?
What I mean is, the states have reserved the right (in law) to disallow students who don't have the vaccine (due to religious or any other exemption) from going to school. They haven't needed to use that right because so many complied with the mandates that there haven't been polio / mumps / smallpox outbreaks. Hopefully, if we started a similar mandate for the Covid vaccine we would see the same results. Few people actually use vaccine mandate exemptions (or at least that was the case prior to the anti-vaxx movement where they started fighting them again)
A Tale Of Two States: Mississippi, West Virginia, And Exemptions To Compulsory School Vaccination Laws | Health Affairs Journal
School-based compulsory vaccination laws have provoked debates over the legitimacy of government coercion versus the scope of parental rights. A key point of contention in these school vaccination laws are provisions known as exemption clauses that allow some parents to enroll their children in...
www.healthaffairs.org
Agree. Article above is from 2015 or pre Covid. 2019 measles out breaks due to antivax groups led to some additional tightening ad well.
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We still pretending we were ever going to eliminate this?
https://www.jpost.com/health-scienc...uth-africa-most-mutated-variant-so-far-678011
https://www.jpost.com/health-scienc...uth-africa-most-mutated-variant-so-far-678011
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rent moratorium just delays the debt. so now after a year, a 1000/mth rent aperson owes 12,000. how does that happen? more gov socialism stimulas?
PBS interview with head of Idaho hospital association where Covid is causing healthcare rationing. Why? the unvaccinated are overwhelming the system.
www.pbs.org
As overrun Idaho hospitals ration care, doctors fear a COVID peak may still be weeks away
COVID-19 cases in Idaho are up more than 40% in the last two weeks, and hospitalizations up 25%. Some hospitals in the state's northern part are having to ration the care they give. Idaho has one of the nation’s lowest vaccination rates. Only 40% are fully vaccinated. William Brangham discusses...
www.pbs.org
Businesses support Biden's mandate..certain governors won't.
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“Business Roundtable welcomes the Biden administration’s continued vigilance in the fight against Covid,” said the group, whose members include leaders of General Electric, Amazon, Goldman Sachs and dozens of other large companies. “America’s business leaders know how critical vaccination and testing are in defeating the pandemic.”
For months, Molly Neitzel, the founder and chief executive of Molly Moon’s Homemade Ice Cream, which has several locations in Washington State, has debated whether to require her 180 employees to be vaccinated. On Friday, she felt like the new mandates gave her some cover to do so.
“I was honestly just relieved,” she said. “We have six to 10 who have chosen not to be vaccinated yet. I know it makes people on their teams nervous.”
Hospital workers in Houston and Detroit who opposed earlier vaccine requirements sued over their employers’ rules, and face covering rules have put employees on the front lines of sometimes-violent confrontations with customers who refuse to wear masks.
“Some companies will simply be relieved that the president took this step,” said Bob Harvey, the president of the Greater Houston Partnership, which represents about 900 companies in Texas’ largest city. “It takes the onus off of them if they’re simply implementing a federal mandate.”
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“Business Roundtable welcomes the Biden administration’s continued vigilance in the fight against Covid,” said the group, whose members include leaders of General Electric, Amazon, Goldman Sachs and dozens of other large companies. “America’s business leaders know how critical vaccination and testing are in defeating the pandemic.”
For months, Molly Neitzel, the founder and chief executive of Molly Moon’s Homemade Ice Cream, which has several locations in Washington State, has debated whether to require her 180 employees to be vaccinated. On Friday, she felt like the new mandates gave her some cover to do so.
“I was honestly just relieved,” she said. “We have six to 10 who have chosen not to be vaccinated yet. I know it makes people on their teams nervous.”
Hospital workers in Houston and Detroit who opposed earlier vaccine requirements sued over their employers’ rules, and face covering rules have put employees on the front lines of sometimes-violent confrontations with customers who refuse to wear masks.
“Some companies will simply be relieved that the president took this step,” said Bob Harvey, the president of the Greater Houston Partnership, which represents about 900 companies in Texas’ largest city. “It takes the onus off of them if they’re simply implementing a federal mandate.”
Evidently from the games I watched yesterday, almost every football stadium was completely full of massless people yelling loudly. Will be interesting see what the results of those games are.
Meanwhile in Texas....
Meanwhile in Texas....
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Since when do the Dems hold all three branches of government???? By my measure, we haven't had a liberally dominated supreme court since the Warren courts pre-Nixon. They've always had makeups of neutral leaning conservative to ultra-conservative. Considering the current makeup and age of the court and the lengths at which Republicans will go to game the court in their favor, I don't anticipate in seeing a liberal leaning court in my lifetime, which means we will probably go nearly 100 years without one.
Mistyped. They hold the Presidency, House and Senate. Which in turn controls the legislative process. Damn straight big business is going to support the party who hold those three.
Pandering and she’s too dumb to understand inflation will negatively impact those she’s pandering too far more than another stimulus check will help…as are those receiving said checks.
7 states are taking most of the doses so they were asked to moderate their orders.
I’m not saying that stimulus checks won’t have an effect. But, I don’t think they represent the level of causation you make them out to be.
We can agree to disagree on the magnitude of the inflationary effect. Doesn’t change the fact that you don’t continue to print money and add the same into an economy experiencing rapidly rising inflation. Nor does it change which groups are most adversely affected by rising inflation.
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From this AP article...yikes
In Oklahoma, Hillcrest South Hospital in Tulsa is among several medical centers around the country to add temporary morgues. Deaths are at an all-time high there, at three to four times the number it would see in a non-COVID-19 world, said Bennett Geister, hospital CEO.
He said the staff there, too, is worn out.
“They didn’t sign up to be ICU nurses only to have people pass away on them,” he said. “They signed up to be ICU nurses to take people to recovery and heal people from the brink of death.”
In Oklahoma, Hillcrest South Hospital in Tulsa is among several medical centers around the country to add temporary morgues. Deaths are at an all-time high there, at three to four times the number it would see in a non-COVID-19 world, said Bennett Geister, hospital CEO.
He said the staff there, too, is worn out.
“They didn’t sign up to be ICU nurses only to have people pass away on them,” he said. “They signed up to be ICU nurses to take people to recovery and heal people from the brink of death.”
Yet we continue to allow thousands of migrants a day access into the country without vaccination requirements or even a negative Covid test. I’m vaccinated and support the same. Yet the mixed messages our federal government is giving is detrimental here. In addition, where has the effort been over the last 18 months to get people to live a healthier lifestyle (lose weight). Obesity is still the #1 cause of Covid deaths in this country. Again…mixed messages or in this case no message.
it seems like most.businesses have help wanted signs, so why more stimulus?
I think we need more insight to be able to say that those numbers are going to continue to decline.
The last major wave? There is still a lot about Covid that we don't understand.
From NYTImes:
From NYTImes:
| New Covid cases in the U.S. have fallen by more than a third in the past month. |
| That two-month cycle |
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Certainly throws a wet blanket on all the mitigation efforts which some have claimed were responsible for the decrease in cases
| The number of new daily cases in the U.S. has fallen 35 percent since Sept. 1: Worldwide, cases have also dropped more than 30 percent since late August. “This is as good as the world has looked in many months,” Dr. Eric Topol of Scripps Research wrote last week. |
| These declines are consistent with a pattern that regular readers of this newsletter will recognize: Covid’s mysterious two-month cycle. Since the Covid virus began spreading in late 2019, cases have often surged for about two months — sometimes because of a variant, like Delta — and then declined for about two months. |
| Epidemiologists do not understand why. Many popular explanations, like seasonality or the ebbs and flows of social distancing, are clearly insufficient, if not wrong. The two-month cycle has occurred during different seasons of the year and occurred even when human behavior was not changing in obvious ways. |
| The most plausible explanations involve some combination of virus biology and social networks. Perhaps each virus variant is especially likely to infect some people but not others — and once many of the most vulnerable have been exposed, the virus recedes. And perhaps a variant needs about two months to circulate through an average-sized community. |
| Human behavior does play a role, with people often becoming more careful once caseloads begin to rise. But social distancing is not as important as public discussion of the virus often imagines. “We’ve ascribed far too much human authority over the virus,” as Michael Osterholm, an infectious-disease expert at the University of Minnesota, has told me. |
| The recent declines, for example, have occurred even as millions of American children have again crowded into school buildings. |
