Cal Baptist Game Thread
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Thanks everyone for the updates.....Sounds like we played
sloppy at times but at least played pretty well defensively down
the stretch......
sloppy at times but at least played pretty well defensively down
the stretch......
Incorrect, please see Charles Barkley or David Shelton. Rebounding is, has, and always will be position.
This is why Joiner consitantly rebounds, he is excellent at position vs his man and understands where a ball is going to end up on shots.
Unless you can jump over me, placing my body between you and the ball is all that is necessary to get rebounds.
He has issues. Like mick Cronin level issues. His whole staff talked
the entire game and yelled right on the release on every free throw in the 2nd half
That's my point. Igbanu and Jeffries are consistently smaller than the guys they're guarding. It is easier for the taller players to go over those 2 without fouling. Positioning is important, but in order to eliminate someone reaching over or just getting higher than your hands, you do need to jump and try and high point the ball.
Barkley, IMO, is the greatest rebounder in the history of the game. A lot of his was a desire to not let anyone else ever get a rebound over him.
First no one was ever a better rebounder than the GOAT Bill Russell and you will be hard pressed to find a better defender in NBA history as well. In fact Russell may have the greatest understanding of the game as any person who has ever lived. Coaching and playing on the same NBA championship team in the same year. He still takes notes on players and is known for predicting shots and rebound locations in games he watches live.
Go watch Charles block out, the round mound of rebounds didn't move at all. He blocked out his man and let the ball come to him.
Jumping will not get you more rebounds. If a player is getting a rebound over you with out fouling you are not blocking out. Put your ass into them and back up so the ball falls in front of you like it should.
This is not debatable it is a bed rock of coaching. It goes right along with you play defense with your feet not your hands.
It will never change.
Our guards are generally good rebounders (a necessary skill on Haiths guard heavy style).
Some of that is the zone though vs an outside shooting team. You have to stay out to cover shooters rolling to the wings and top of the key which makes it hard to position yourself for rebounds and if their shooters follow their shots they are already starting with a jump.
Haith should have junked the zone when he realized Cal Baptist wanted to play a game of HORSE.
Well, we didn’t take charge like I thought we would but we did survive the scare and come out with the W. Joiner would be my POG, played a great second half.
This is maybe what is most perplexing to me, we played quite a bit of man-to-man in the 1st half and they were really struggling on 3s. They made a few against that defense and then we switched to a 2-3 zone and did not extend it out past the 3 point line. I'm pretty confident it is part of Haith's coaching philosophy at this point, and that is fine, but man is it frustrating to watch when just switching back would've reduced the heart burn I have. BRB gotta go grab my Tums.
Agreed, may have been his best half of basketball at TU. He played extremely good defense late in the 2nd half, he was really frustrating their best player. I wish we didn't switch on the screens and left Joiner on him but nevertheless I'm just happy for the W.
Anyone who saw the game, did it look like a traditional noon tip hangover for us? Igbanu and Jeffries showed up to play, but we seemed to not have many others show up for the entire game. These are the games that Taplin needs to take over. In following along, it just seemed like he was pretty passive.
Joiner balled out too it seems.
My question would be: Where was Scott? Moore? Horne?
Joiner balled out too it seems.
My question would be: Where was Scott? Moore? Horne?
Scott played a ton of minutes but didn't get the ball on offense as much as he did in the first two games. He was playing nice defense late in the 2nd half.
Moore played for 4 or 5 min in the first half and then never came back in, no idea why.
Horne was out there but kept taking, in my opinion, ill-advised jumpers at the high post. He sat quite a bit after the 4th or 5th time he did that, he also was struggling on help defense so I suspect that's a major reason he sat.
But most importantly Haith let the hot hands play the most in the game today. First time this season we saw Taplin, Joiner, Jeffries, and Igbanu on the court together. I suspect we continue to see a line-up with those 4 more and more frequently as the season progresses.
Whew!
Hopefully the guys learned the lesson that you can never just phone it in and expect to win. They did come up with just enough down the stretch to pull it off.
Cal Bap was definitely the best of the three opponents to date.
The bottom line is we're 3-0.
Hopefully the guys learned the lesson that you can never just phone it in and expect to win. They did come up with just enough down the stretch to pull it off.
Cal Bap was definitely the best of the three opponents to date.
The bottom line is we're 3-0.
The early mass sub took away a lot of momentum. He put Taplin in for Joiner and he immediately got a layup.
I think our veterans were ready for the most part but the new guys saw Cal Babtist and didn’t come to play.
Cal played fast and furious D that was good for the new guys to experience. Not a lot hands in lanes but they were as quick as I’ve seen at times.
I think our veterans were ready for the most part but the new guys saw Cal Babtist and didn’t come to play.
Cal played fast and furious D that was good for the new guys to experience. Not a lot hands in lanes but they were as quick as I’ve seen at times.
Haith agreed with me, this will be a good teaching game. Lot's of lessons can be learned watching the tape on this game. I hope you continue to be right on the lineups. Will be happy with him on his sub patterns for the first time if Haith does continue the trend with those 4 guys.
These early season games are always tough. I try not to take too much away from them. Duke struggled with Army last week for most of their game. So it isn't just this team. I thought it'd be an easier time today, but I'm just happy they pulled it out in the end
Nah. I’m good. They made 5 threes against oru and 13 against us and many were covered from nba range. If we play well we will smoke oru. Gtfo with your nonsense.
They also had 16 in their first game. Seems like they're capable of making a good amount if given to them
And one of their players was 0-2 from 3 coming into the game today but made 4 or 5 against us. We were leaving him open from 3 based on the coaches notes. It back fired.
They only made around 30%. They shot a high volume, but they honestly didn't make many more than they would normally have given the sample size. We just let them shoot a ton of them. 30% from 3 isn't really a fluke.
I think Haith sticking in the zone didn't help much.
I think that could be right. Very little intensity on D from the start, and when we turned it on in the second half it was noticeable but they were already hot.
I really do think that if Igbanu had dunked that open opportunity in the first half instead of missing the layup it would have been a completely different game. Momentum is a funny thing and it turned on that pivot point. A dunk there would have given us a 10 point lead and a big psychological advantage.
On Taplin, he played a good game but I think he was just a little tired in the second half. The layups he was making in the first were bouncing off the rim in the second and he missed two freebies late that would have helped seal the deal.
On Taplin, he played a good game but I think he was just a little tired in the second half. The layups he was making in the first were bouncing off the rim in the second and he missed two freebies late that would have helped seal the deal.
Cal Baptist and ORU should be a regular rivalry where the winner gets a free gallon of Peter Popoff's magic water
Seems the problem was less that they shot great (they didn’t, they’d have smoked us if they had shot decently) and more that they killed us on the boards. They out rebounded us by 8 even though we took 16 fewer shots than them. It’s pretty scary that a team that I’d expect to be smaller, slower and generally less athletic than us owned the boards. We got very lucky they had such a bad shooting game.
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I’m not sure why you expected them to be smaller and slower. Their bigs went 6’11”, 6’10”, and 6’8” and all those threes meant a lot of long rebounds. Could we have rebounded better? Absolutely! However, I don’t think the numbers from this game are necessarily an indicator of future performance.
Well I guess I hoped we’d be more athletic than a first year D1 school in the WAC. Hopefully it was an aberration as you say. Ironically after years past, we won because they fouled a zillion times and we hit the free throws. Without all those foul shots, given our regular shooting, we would have lost. I suspect that might be part of what their coach was so upset about.
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We won the game at the free throw line where we shot 40+ free throws to their 16. We hit 30+ free throws to their 12. That was the difference in the game. If both teams would have shot an equal amount of free throws they would have smoked us on our home court. Aside from going to the line and free throw shooting, I saw no positives from this game.
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