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Gmoney4WW · Nov 12, 2024

Are you on Android? I can show you how to manually add it in Basketball and you can repeat the procedure in whatever sports you want. You go to the link below, and tap on the encircled + icon just below the Days/Hours/Minutes/Seconds before the next game, on the left hand side of the screen, just to the right of the printer icon.(on the cojmputer it will say add to calendar next to the encircled +. but it wont say that on the phone) Tap on the other/calendar icon at the bottom right hand of the app app icons. (You can try to add it to Google Calendar, but that didn't work for me.) After you have selected Calendar/Other, tap on download at the bottom left of the screen. It gives you a choice to add all, letting you know they can't be taken away.(Unless you do it individually.) Add it, and you've added basketball.

Now you can select the next sport to add by tapping on the white calendar icon on blue background at the top, on the right of the section w/ search/shopping cart/calendar icon. Tap on Mens Basketball selection to the left of the gold calendar icon, and change to the next sport you want to add. Tap the gold calendar icon in order to go to the sport you just selected, and you have the + icon to right of the printer icon to start on the next sport.

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astonmartin708 · Nov 12, 2024

Looks like the Dept of Ed is going to be axed. Hope the Okies enjoy their Ryan Walters sponsored education. Is there a way that the Oklahoma education can fall even farther behind other states? Looks like they're sure as heck going to try. The world needs worker ants.

Gmoney4WW · Nov 11, 2024

lawpoke87 said:
At the time the Biden Admin attempted to enforce the private employee mandate the vaccine didn’t prevent the transmission of the virus. Which was the stated rationale for said mandate. Therefore, I’m not following your argument

They were a little slow to get the mandate in place, and they were a little slow to rewrite the mandate. (which is what should have happened) That didn't make it less valid. You are more concerned with the rights of a few, than the welfare of the whole. That is not how it is supposed to work in times of emergency. The workers as a unit, would have been at work more of the time, and the workers as a whole would have suffered less in their healthiness with the mandate. And more work would have been accomplished for the people. In a time of emergency that is more important than 50 or a 100 workers being out of work because they refused to obey the mandate. Their irrational fears of vaccine's caused this to become a much bigger deal than it should have.

At the time the mandate was written, there was no proof it didn't stop the spread, so rewrite the mandate to include this rationale, instead of eliminating the mandate. The reasoning stated in the mandate was determined to be a violation of rights, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have been restated for the purpose of increasing the government work force. We didn't know that it lessened the effects and the length of the illness when it was written either. But a third of the people were so up in arms about it that they wouldn't have accepted that rationale at that point either. That doesn't make that rationale wrong.

People's rights weren't trampled, the rationale just wasn't inclusive enough to meet the standards of the courts. It could have been, and should have been.

astonmartin708 · Nov 11, 2024

Anyone paying attention to the Thunder?

That team is extraordinary. Like, I've watched a lot of pro ball and I've never seen another team like it. Chet goes down with a hip injury.... they basically have one healthy big left on the entire team, and he's more of a perimeter guy.... and they're still competitive.

The defense by their guards is otherworldly, especially post defense.

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drboobay · Nov 11, 2024

We are getting wrapped up in a relatively small point in the grand scheme. If you step back just a little, it seems to me like @Gmoney4WW and I are largely seeing things the same way. We are disappointed by the lack of patriotism, decorum, and rationality of a large portion of the population. It is not tied to political philosophy, or at least it would not have been for most of our lives.

That is my take.

lawpoke87 · Nov 11, 2024

Gmoney4WW said:
Don't pretend that in a time of non urgency it is equal to say you can't work because you are obese or smoke tobacco. First of all, you can't catch those two health problems. And second of all Covid was causing major parts of our economy to shut down because of people dying or becoming ill. Someone in the federal government only having to take a week off of work, as opposed to having to go into our overly stressed hospitals for 3 or 4 weeks, took stress off the hospitals, and got them back to work quicker. Two very important factors in favor of the mandate, considering worker shortages were prevalent everywhere. That should have been good enough. In my grandparent's time, the majority of people out there wouldn't have questioned the mandate, and would have volunteered to take it, even if there hadn't been a mandate.

At the time the Biden Admin attempted to enforce the private employee mandate the vaccine didn’t prevent the transmission of the virus. Which was the stated rationale for said mandate. Therefore, I’m not following your argument

Gmoney4WW · Nov 11, 2024

lawpoke87 said:
The federal government can’t prevent people from earning a living because they won’t submit to taking a drug which MIGHT lessen the severity of illness. What’s next….you can’t work if you fall under the guidelines of being obese? You can’t work if you use tobacco? You can’t work if you don’t exercise 10 hours a week? All of which might lessen the severity of most illnesses including Covid. Same logic.

Once the vaccine ceased to prevent the spread of Covid the reasoning for the mandate was no longer valid. Yet the Biden Admin still sought enforcement. Which is one of the reasons it failed

Don't pretend that in a time of non urgency it is equal to say you can't work because you are obese or smoke tobacco. First of all, you can't catch those two health problems. And second of all Covid was causing major parts of our economy to shut down because of people dying or becoming ill. Someone in the federal government only having to take a week off of work, as opposed to having to go into our overly stressed hospitals for 3 or 4 weeks, took stress off the hospitals, and got them back to work quicker. Two very important factors in favor of the mandate, considering worker shortages were prevalent everywhere. That should have been good enough. In my grandparent's time, the majority of people out there wouldn't have questioned the mandate, and would have volunteered to take it, even if there hadn't been a mandate. And most people who would have been helped by exercise, would have been helped by it six months or a year later. That was not an immediate solution.

lawpoke87 · Nov 11, 2024

drboobay said:
Ok you make a good case for overstep.

But that doesn't really contradict my main points. It is one outrage versus the avalanche I noted. And it is an outrage that simply inconvenienced some stubborn people who were deluded by crazy ideas about vaccines.

My bigger point about disappointment in people's irrationality remains. America is not what I used to think it was based on all the old stories of wartime solidarity.

Agree. I got vaccinated and was fairly vocal on my thoughts regarding the same. When the vaccine became more therapeutic I declined to continue to get the boosters. Ive contracted the the virus twice and both time were very mild. I also have no pre-existing conditions which place me at higher risk.

drboobay · Nov 11, 2024

lawpoke87 said:
The federal government can’t prevent people from earning a living because they won’t submit to taking a drug which MIGHT lessen the severity of illness. What’s next….you can’t work if you fall under the guidelines of being obese? You can’t work if you use tobacco? You can’t work if you don’t exercise 10 hours a week? All of which might lessen the severity of most illnesses including Covid. Same logic.

Once the vaccine ceased to prevent the spread of Covid the reasoning for the mandate was no longer valid. Yet the Biden Admin still sought enforcement. Which is one of the reasons it failed

Ok you make a good case for overstep.

But that doesn't really contradict my main points. It is one outrage versus the avalanche I noted. And it is an outrage that simply inconvenienced some stubborn people who were deluded by crazy ideas about vaccines.

My bigger point about disappointment in people's irrationality remains. America is not what I used to think it was based on all the old stories of wartime solidarity.

astonmartin708 · Nov 11, 2024

lawpoke87 said:
Obesity certainly does take people away from work. Obese people are far more likely to have health issues which cause them to miss work. When they get sick the illness is likely to be more severe with the obese than people who eat right and exercise. Covid showed us as much. Same general argument for smokers.

Interesting thought on mandating Ozempic like drugs. Not sure I see us going there but it certainly makes for an interesting discussion. Especially when we consider the health care costs we all pay for the obese.

One further thought, you can't impose punitive taxes aimed at reducing consumption on Covid like you can on alcohol, cigarettes, or sugary foodstuffs.

On the Ozempic topic, I can not believe that the government hasn't taken a serious look at how to bring down the drug prices for that. It's of national interest, especially right now.... given what the doctors are saying in terms of its byproduct health improvements too. That should have been in Kamala's platform (or anyone who wanted to win)

lawpoke87 · Nov 11, 2024

astonmartin708 said:
There was good evidence to suggest that it would lessen the severity. Obesity in itself is not taking people away from work. Covid was.

Slightly off topic, I do think that we see the government start to push some of the Ozempic-esque drugs when they become generics.... if nothing else than for national defense and national health costs. They could use more able bodies. Under normal conditions, I don't think it would ever be mandated because obesity is not transmissible and it's not a time priority. If we ever went into another global conflict I think it probably would be made mandatory.

Obesity certainly does take people away from work. Obese people are far more likely to have health issues which cause them to miss work. When they get sick the illness is likely to be more severe with the obese than people who eat right and exercise. Covid showed us as much. Same general argument for smokers.

Interesting thought on mandating Ozempic like drugs. Not sure I see us going there but it certainly makes for an interesting discussion. Especially when we consider the health care costs we all pay for the obese.

astonmartin708 · Nov 11, 2024

lawpoke87 said:
The federal government can’t prevent people from earning a living because they won’t submit to taking a drug which MIGHT lessen the severity of illness. What’s next….you can’t work if you fall under the guidelines of being obese? You can’t work if you use tobacco? You can’t work if you don’t exercise 10 hours a week? All of which might lessen the severity of most illnesses including Covid. Same logic.

There was good evidence to suggest that it would lessen the severity. Obesity in itself is not taking people away from work. Covid was.

Slightly off topic, I do think that we see the government start to push some of the Ozempic-esque drugs when they become generics.... if nothing else than for national defense and national health costs. They could use more able bodies. Under normal conditions, I don't think it would ever be mandated because obesity is not transmissible and it's not a time priority. If we ever went into another global conflict I think it probably would be made mandatory for a multitude of reasons (artificially lower food consumption, increase general health, make people more fighting fit, increase labor productivity, etc...)

A country like China would absolutely do it because they saw the societal benefit.... but they probably wouldn't have allowed their population to get this fat in the first place.

lawpoke87 · Nov 11, 2024

astonmartin708 said:
I support people working cooperatively to do whatever they can to mitigate the social impacts of the virus. Just because it didn't prevent the spread didn't mean that it didn't help mitigate symptoms. Maybe instead of putting a bunch of obese Americans in the hospital, the vaccine helped them only miss a week or so of work... therefore lessening the strain on our medical system, and increasing economic productivity. It is to society's benefit to have healthy people.

It doesn't HAVE to stop the spread to be a reasonable thing to do. Hypothetical: What if China had used the conditions as to their advantage and invaded Taiwan? Do you want a bunch of your potential servicemen to be at risk of severe (even if non-deadly) symptoms? Do you want your economy to lag because of the disease effecting factories' agility to build planes, tanks, and munitions?

Finally, I also see history where there were large scale riots throughout the 13 colonies about vaccines & inoculation for generations....even though they worked.... there were still stupid people that thought they should have the right to be stupid, and that their independence was more important than the prosperity of their communities. I don't support the thoughts of those people. I support the thoughts of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc... who believed vaccines were to society's benefit and who imposed mandates and promoted them. In fact, I would argue that other than independence from the crown.... vaccines were one of the few things that many of the noteable founding fathers agreed upon.

The federal government can’t prevent people from earning a living because they won’t submit to taking a drug which MIGHT lessen the severity of illness. What’s next….you can’t work if you fall under the guidelines of being obese? You can’t work if you use tobacco? You can’t work if you don’t exercise 10 hours a week? All of which might lessen the severity of most illnesses including Covid. Same logic.

Once the vaccine ceased to prevent the spread of Covid the reasoning for the mandate was no longer valid. Yet the Biden Admin still sought enforcement. Which is one of the reasons it failed

drboobay · Nov 11, 2024

Gmoney4WW said:
God forbid we possibly trample on someone's rights in a time of emergency over irrational fears that the vaccine causes autism. But they have RFK Jr to stand up for those rights now. The vaccine was so bad for those that took it.

If anything it seems like a minor overstep.

Gmoney4WW · Nov 11, 2024

astonmartin708 said:
I support people working cooperatively to do whatever they can to mitigate the social impacts of the virus. Just because it didn't prevent the spread didn't mean that it didn't help mitigate symptoms. Maybe instead of putting a bunch of obese Americans in the hospital, the vaccine helped them only miss a week or so of work... therefore lessening the strain on our medical system, and increasing economic productivity. It is to society's benefit to have healthy people.

It doesn't HAVE to stop the spread to be a reasonable thing to do.

astonmartin708 · Nov 11, 2024

lawpoke87 said:
…and you still support enforcement of a vaccine mandate which failed to accomplish its stated objective….to insure workplace safety by stopping the spread of the virus. Amazing. Lack of independent thinking like this is what worries me. Even after being stuck down by the courts

I support people working cooperatively to do whatever they can to mitigate the social impacts of the virus. Just because it didn't prevent the spread didn't mean that it didn't help mitigate symptoms. Maybe instead of putting a bunch of obese Americans in the hospital, the vaccine helped them only miss a week or so of work... therefore lessening the strain on our medical system, and increasing economic productivity. It is to society's benefit to have healthy people.

It doesn't HAVE to stop the spread to be a reasonable thing to do. Hypothetical: What if China had used the conditions as to their advantage and invaded Taiwan? Do you want a bunch of your potential servicemen to be at risk of severe (even if non-deadly) symptoms? Do you want your economy to lag because of the disease effecting factories' agility to build planes, tanks, and munitions?

Finally, I also see history where there were large scale riots throughout the 13 colonies about vaccines & inoculation for generations prior to independence....even though they worked.... there were still stupid people that thought they should have the right to be stupid, and that their independence was more important than the prosperity of their communities. I don't support the thoughts of those people. I support the thoughts of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc... who believed vaccines were to society's benefit and who imposed mandates and promoted them. In fact, I would argue that other than independence from the crown.... vaccines were one of the few things that many of the noteable founding fathers agreed upon.

Gmoney4WW · Nov 11, 2024

drboobay said:
I guess they waited too long for the mandate. It was certainly an effective vaccine. Thank goodness we had heroes like Fauci working on behalf of the American people. And, strangely enough, Trump gets credit for his accelerated vaccine program.

Many people on the other hand were kind of nuts. It cost a good friend of mine his life, the crazy resistance to vaccination. Early 50s. A life wasted for no reason because of nutty fears and ideas.

God forbid we possibly trample on someone's rights in a time of emergency over irrational fears that the vaccine causes autism. But they have RFK Jr to stand up for those rights now. The vaccine was so bad for those that took it.

lawpoke87 · Nov 11, 2024

Gmoney4WW said:
I'm talking about those that are appointed to his cabinet. Security advisors and Secretary of Defense(as long as he is 10 off of active duty) can be formerly high up and very influential with the military brass. And I am sure that Trump will be very aware of this the second time around.

I’m counting on there being enough disdain for Trump at the highest level of the military that this won’t be an issue. Certainly seems to be the case based on comments made by military brass

lawpoke87 · Nov 11, 2024

astonmartin708 said:
They got the decision wrong and went against 250 years of historical precedent, part of which helped us become a nation, and established by one of the most revered founding fathers. That's okay though. The conservative court can tell you all about which rulings previous courts got wrong. They're good at that.

PS.... there is no mention in the constitution anywhere about civil rights against vaccination. None. Nowhere. Nada. There's not even an amendment that kinda sorta covers it like how the 14th is used. The federal ban was struck down by the conservative dominated USSC on a technicality about OSHA's congressionally mandated authority, not because vaccine mandates violate civil rights.

Go propose an amendment if you feel it should be a civil right.

…and you still support enforcement of a vaccine mandate which failed to accomplish its stated objective….to insure workplace safety by stopping the spread of the virus. Amazing. Lack of independent thinking like this is what worries me. 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑

Gmoney4WW · Nov 11, 2024

lawpoke87 said:
Thankfully Generals aren’t political appointments. I haven’t seen much support for Trump in either the FBI or upper military brass. Which I submit is a good thing.

I'm talking about those that are appointed to his cabinet. Security advisors and Secretary of Defense(as long as he is 10 off of active duty) can be formerly high up and very influential with the military brass. And I am sure that Trump will be very aware of this the second time around.

drboobay · Nov 11, 2024

lawpoke87 said:
When the Biden Admin sought to enforce the vaccine mandate for employers it was clear the vaccine failed to prevent the spread of Covid. When the New York State Supreme Court finds the actions of a Democratic Admin unconstitutional you know it is a gross violation of our constitutional rights. One of the reasons the Court found the mandate unconstitutional is the aforementioned reason.

I guess they waited too long for the mandate. It was certainly an effective vaccine. Thank goodness we had heroes like Fauci working on behalf of the American people. And, strangely enough, Trump gets credit for his accelerated vaccine program.

Many people on the other hand were kind of nuts. It cost a good friend of mine his life, the crazy resistance to vaccination. Early 50s. A life wasted for no reason because of nutty fears and ideas.

astonmartin708 · Nov 11, 2024

lawpoke87 said:
When the Biden Admin sought to enforce the vaccine mandate for employers it was clear the vaccine failed to prevent the spread of Covid. When the New York State Supreme Court finds the actions of a Democratic Admin unconstitutional you know it is a gross violation of our constitutional rights. One of the reasons the Court found the mandate unconstitutional is the aforementioned reason. Yet there are those who still support an unconstitutional violation of our civil rights solely out of partisanship. This is what scares the hell out of me.

They got the decision wrong and went against 250 years of historical precedent, part of which helped us become a nation, and established by one of the most revered founding fathers. That's okay though. The conservative court can tell you all about which rulings previous courts got wrong. They're good at that.

PS.... there is no mention in the constitution anywhere about civil rights against vaccination. None. Nowhere. Nada. There's not even an amendment that kinda sorta covers it like how the 14th is used. The federal ban was struck down by the conservative dominated USSC on a technicality about OSHA's congressionally mandated authority, not because vaccine mandates violate civil rights.

Go propose an amendment if you feel it should be a civil right.

lawpoke87 · Nov 11, 2024

Gmoney4WW said:
Just like many congressmen would back Trump? You know, all the congressmen who supported Trump's claims for election fraud. With idiots like Flynn in the military, I'm not so sure there wouldn't be a battle between the higher ups, on what to do, if given that order. And I'm sure the Generals in charge will be changed by Trump in his purge, if that is possible.

Thankfully Generals aren’t political appointments. I haven’t seen much support for Trump in either the FBI or upper military brass. Which I submit is a good thing.

drboobay · Nov 11, 2024

lawpoke87 said:
I’m convinced a significant portion of Americans will support almost anything “their side” instituted simply due to partisanship and/or hate for the other side. Empathy for those who disagree political with us is nonexistent in 2024

I can see what you are saying. But I have never, ever felt I had a side. I don't identify or feel any kinship with either party. None,

But I do have a good deal of confidence in science and expertise and don't like seeing it spit upon by ignorance.

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