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HuffyCane said:
@CaneVideo apparently forgot we have a soccer board.

Here’s the post season wrap up from both coaches.

We have work to do and I’m sure they are ready to get started.

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I have more confidence in Tom to get it done than I do in Jim. I don't think Tom shies away from tough recruiting and he occasionally wins some top battles for kids. That said, the current atmosphere of NIL and transfer to a new school every year probably doesn't work in our favor too much.

Huffy, do you know what TU is going to do about the scholarships for soccer? I know there are no more partial scholarships and dividing them out but now the NCAA is imposing a roster limit and every person on the roster is a scholarship player moving forward. But schools can certainly impose their own internal limits, right? Will be interesting to see how TU handles formerly non-equivalency sports and how much $ they allocate to them for scholarships.
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lawpoke87 said:
East Carolina was the only AAC team to make the NCAA women’s tournament (auto bid). Tough break for Memphis but their RPI and weak conference did them in.
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I saw that. Brutal. Memphis was solid but I suspect the draw vs us in the last regular season game really hurt Memphis a lot. I still expected to see them in the draw.

On the men's side....is Alex Meinhard still playing at Clemson? What's this like his 7th year of eligibility?
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Are you on Android? I can show you how to manually add it in Basketball and you can repeat the procedure in whatever sports you want. You go to the link below, and tap on the encircled + icon just below the Days/Hours/Minutes/Seconds before the next game, on the left hand side of the screen, just to the right of the printer icon.(on the cojmputer it will say add to calendar next to the encircled +. but it wont say that on the phone) Tap on the other/calendar icon at the bottom right hand of the app app icons. (You can try to add it to Google Calendar, but that didn't work for me.) After you have selected Calendar/Other, tap on download at the bottom left of the screen. It gives you a choice to add all, letting you know they can't be taken away.(Unless you do it individually.) Add it, and you've added basketball.

Now you can select the next sport to add by tapping on the white calendar icon on blue background at the top, on the right of the section w/ search/shopping cart/calendar icon. Tap on Mens Basketball selection to the left of the gold calendar icon, and change to the next sport you want to add. Tap the gold calendar icon in order to go to the sport you just selected, and you have the + icon to right of the printer icon to start on the next sport.

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2024-25 Men's Basketball Schedule - Tulsa

The official 2024-25 Men's Basketball schedule for the Tulsa Hurricane
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lawpoke87 said:
At the time the Biden Admin attempted to enforce the private employee mandate the vaccine didn’t prevent the transmission of the virus. Which was the stated rationale for said mandate. Therefore, I’m not following your argument
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They were a little slow to get the mandate in place, and they were a little slow to rewrite the mandate. (which is what should have happened) That didn't make it less valid. You are more concerned with the rights of a few, than the welfare of the whole. That is not how it is supposed to work in times of emergency. The workers as a unit, would have been at work more of the time, and the workers as a whole would have suffered less in their healthiness with the mandate. And more work would have been accomplished for the people. In a time of emergency that is more important than 50 or a 100 workers being out of work because they refused to obey the mandate. Their irrational fears of vaccine's caused this to become a much bigger deal than it should have.

At the time the mandate was written, there was no proof it didn't stop the spread, so rewrite the mandate to include this rationale, instead of eliminating the mandate. The reasoning stated in the mandate was determined to be a violation of rights, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have been restated for the purpose of increasing the government work force. We didn't know that it lessened the effects and the length of the illness when it was written either. But a third of the people were so up in arms about it that they wouldn't have accepted that rationale at that point either. That doesn't make that rationale wrong.

People's rights weren't trampled, the rationale just wasn't inclusive enough to meet the standards of the courts. It could have been, and should have been.
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Anyone paying attention to the Thunder?

That team is extraordinary. Like, I've watched a lot of pro ball and I've never seen another team like it. Chet goes down with a hip injury.... they basically have one healthy big left on the entire team, and he's more of a perimeter guy.... and they're still competitive.

The defense by their guards is otherworldly, especially post defense.
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2024 Election prediction/discussion

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We are getting wrapped up in a relatively small point in the grand scheme. If you step back just a little, it seems to me like @Gmoney4WW and I are largely seeing things the same way. We are disappointed by the lack of patriotism, decorum, and rationality of a large portion of the population. It is not tied to political philosophy, or at least it would not have been for most of our lives.

That is my take.
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Gmoney4WW said:
Don't pretend that in a time of non urgency it is equal to say you can't work because you are obese or smoke tobacco. First of all, you can't catch those two health problems. And second of all Covid was causing major parts of our economy to shut down because of people dying or becoming ill. Someone in the federal government only having to take a week off of work, as opposed to having to go into our overly stressed hospitals for 3 or 4 weeks, took stress off the hospitals, and got them back to work quicker. Two very important factors in favor of the mandate, considering worker shortages were prevalent everywhere. That should have been good enough. In my grandparent's time, the majority of people out there wouldn't have questioned the mandate, and would have volunteered to take it, even if there hadn't been a mandate.
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At the time the Biden Admin attempted to enforce the private employee mandate the vaccine didn’t prevent the transmission of the virus. Which was the stated rationale for said mandate. Therefore, I’m not following your argument
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lawpoke87 said:
The federal government can’t prevent people from earning a living because they won’t submit to taking a drug which MIGHT lessen the severity of illness. What’s next….you can’t work if you fall under the guidelines of being obese? You can’t work if you use tobacco? You can’t work if you don’t exercise 10 hours a week? All of which might lessen the severity of most illnesses including Covid. Same logic.

Once the vaccine ceased to prevent the spread of Covid the reasoning for the mandate was no longer valid. Yet the Biden Admin still sought enforcement. Which is one of the reasons it failed
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Don't pretend that in a time of non urgency it is equal to say you can't work because you are obese or smoke tobacco. First of all, you can't catch those two health problems. And second of all Covid was causing major parts of our economy to shut down because of people dying or becoming ill. Someone in the federal government only having to take a week off of work, as opposed to having to go into our overly stressed hospitals for 3 or 4 weeks, took stress off the hospitals, and got them back to work quicker. Two very important factors in favor of the mandate, considering worker shortages were prevalent everywhere. That should have been good enough. In my grandparent's time, the majority of people out there wouldn't have questioned the mandate, and would have volunteered to take it, even if there hadn't been a mandate. And most people who would have been helped by exercise, would have been helped by it six months or a year later. That was not an immediate solution.
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drboobay said:
Ok you make a good case for overstep.

But that doesn't really contradict my main points. It is one outrage versus the avalanche I noted. And it is an outrage that simply inconvenienced some stubborn people who were deluded by crazy ideas about vaccines.

My bigger point about disappointment in people's irrationality remains. America is not what I used to think it was based on all the old stories of wartime solidarity.
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Agree. I got vaccinated and was fairly vocal on my thoughts regarding the same. When the vaccine became more therapeutic I declined to continue to get the boosters. Ive contracted the the virus twice and both time were very mild. I also have no pre-existing conditions which place me at higher risk.
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lawpoke87 said:
The federal government can’t prevent people from earning a living because they won’t submit to taking a drug which MIGHT lessen the severity of illness. What’s next….you can’t work if you fall under the guidelines of being obese? You can’t work if you use tobacco? You can’t work if you don’t exercise 10 hours a week? All of which might lessen the severity of most illnesses including Covid. Same logic.

Once the vaccine ceased to prevent the spread of Covid the reasoning for the mandate was no longer valid. Yet the Biden Admin still sought enforcement. Which is one of the reasons it failed
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Ok you make a good case for overstep.

But that doesn't really contradict my main points. It is one outrage versus the avalanche I noted. And it is an outrage that simply inconvenienced some stubborn people who were deluded by crazy ideas about vaccines.

My bigger point about disappointment in people's irrationality remains. America is not what I used to think it was based on all the old stories of wartime solidarity.
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lawpoke87 said:
Obesity certainly does take people away from work. Obese people are far more likely to have health issues which cause them to miss work. When they get sick the illness is likely to be more severe with the obese than people who eat right and exercise. Covid showed us as much. Same general argument for smokers.

Interesting thought on mandating Ozempic like drugs. Not sure I see us going there but it certainly makes for an interesting discussion. Especially when we consider the health care costs we all pay for the obese.
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One further thought, you can't impose punitive taxes aimed at reducing consumption on Covid like you can on alcohol, cigarettes, or sugary foodstuffs.

On the Ozempic topic, I can not believe that the government hasn't taken a serious look at how to bring down the drug prices for that. It's of national interest, especially right now.... given what the doctors are saying in terms of its byproduct health improvements too. That should have been in Kamala's platform (or anyone who wanted to win)
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astonmartin708 said:
There was good evidence to suggest that it would lessen the severity. Obesity in itself is not taking people away from work. Covid was.

Slightly off topic, I do think that we see the government start to push some of the Ozempic-esque drugs when they become generics.... if nothing else than for national defense and national health costs. They could use more able bodies. Under normal conditions, I don't think it would ever be mandated because obesity is not transmissible and it's not a time priority. If we ever went into another global conflict I think it probably would be made mandatory.
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Obesity certainly does take people away from work. Obese people are far more likely to have health issues which cause them to miss work. When they get sick the illness is likely to be more severe with the obese than people who eat right and exercise. Covid showed us as much. Same general argument for smokers.

Interesting thought on mandating Ozempic like drugs. Not sure I see us going there but it certainly makes for an interesting discussion. Especially when we consider the health care costs we all pay for the obese.
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lawpoke87 said:
The federal government can’t prevent people from earning a living because they won’t submit to taking a drug which MIGHT lessen the severity of illness. What’s next….you can’t work if you fall under the guidelines of being obese? You can’t work if you use tobacco? You can’t work if you don’t exercise 10 hours a week? All of which might lessen the severity of most illnesses including Covid. Same logic.
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There was good evidence to suggest that it would lessen the severity. Obesity in itself is not taking people away from work. Covid was.

Slightly off topic, I do think that we see the government start to push some of the Ozempic-esque drugs when they become generics.... if nothing else than for national defense and national health costs. They could use more able bodies. Under normal conditions, I don't think it would ever be mandated because obesity is not transmissible and it's not a time priority. If we ever went into another global conflict I think it probably would be made mandatory for a multitude of reasons (artificially lower food consumption, increase general health, make people more fighting fit, increase labor productivity, etc...)

A country like China would absolutely do it because they saw the societal benefit.... but they probably wouldn't have allowed their population to get this fat in the first place.
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astonmartin708 said:
I support people working cooperatively to do whatever they can to mitigate the social impacts of the virus. Just because it didn't prevent the spread didn't mean that it didn't help mitigate symptoms. Maybe instead of putting a bunch of obese Americans in the hospital, the vaccine helped them only miss a week or so of work... therefore lessening the strain on our medical system, and increasing economic productivity. It is to society's benefit to have healthy people.

It doesn't HAVE to stop the spread to be a reasonable thing to do. Hypothetical: What if China had used the conditions as to their advantage and invaded Taiwan? Do you want a bunch of your potential servicemen to be at risk of severe (even if non-deadly) symptoms? Do you want your economy to lag because of the disease effecting factories' agility to build planes, tanks, and munitions?

Finally, I also see history where there were large scale riots throughout the 13 colonies about vaccines & inoculation for generations....even though they worked.... there were still stupid people that thought they should have the right to be stupid, and that their independence was more important than the prosperity of their communities. I don't support the thoughts of those people. I support the thoughts of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc... who believed vaccines were to society's benefit and who imposed mandates and promoted them. In fact, I would argue that other than independence from the crown.... vaccines were one of the few things that many of the noteable founding fathers agreed upon.
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The federal government can’t prevent people from earning a living because they won’t submit to taking a drug which MIGHT lessen the severity of illness. What’s next….you can’t work if you fall under the guidelines of being obese? You can’t work if you use tobacco? You can’t work if you don’t exercise 10 hours a week? All of which might lessen the severity of most illnesses including Covid. Same logic.

Once the vaccine ceased to prevent the spread of Covid the reasoning for the mandate was no longer valid. Yet the Biden Admin still sought enforcement. Which is one of the reasons it failed
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astonmartin708 said:
I support people working cooperatively to do whatever they can to mitigate the social impacts of the virus. Just because it didn't prevent the spread didn't mean that it didn't help mitigate symptoms. Maybe instead of putting a bunch of obese Americans in the hospital, the vaccine helped them only miss a week or so of work... therefore lessening the strain on our medical system, and increasing economic productivity. It is to society's benefit to have healthy people.

It doesn't HAVE to stop the spread to be a reasonable thing to do.
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lawpoke87 said:
…and you still support enforcement of a vaccine mandate which failed to accomplish its stated objective….to insure workplace safety by stopping the spread of the virus. Amazing. Lack of independent thinking like this is what worries me. Even after being stuck down by the courts
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I support people working cooperatively to do whatever they can to mitigate the social impacts of the virus. Just because it didn't prevent the spread didn't mean that it didn't help mitigate symptoms. Maybe instead of putting a bunch of obese Americans in the hospital, the vaccine helped them only miss a week or so of work... therefore lessening the strain on our medical system, and increasing economic productivity. It is to society's benefit to have healthy people.

It doesn't HAVE to stop the spread to be a reasonable thing to do. Hypothetical: What if China had used the conditions as to their advantage and invaded Taiwan? Do you want a bunch of your potential servicemen to be at risk of severe (even if non-deadly) symptoms? Do you want your economy to lag because of the disease effecting factories' agility to build planes, tanks, and munitions?

Finally, I also see history where there were large scale riots throughout the 13 colonies about vaccines & inoculation for generations prior to independence....even though they worked.... there were still stupid people that thought they should have the right to be stupid, and that their independence was more important than the prosperity of their communities. I don't support the thoughts of those people. I support the thoughts of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc... who believed vaccines were to society's benefit and who imposed mandates and promoted them. In fact, I would argue that other than independence from the crown.... vaccines were one of the few things that many of the noteable founding fathers agreed upon.
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drboobay said:
I guess they waited too long for the mandate. It was certainly an effective vaccine. Thank goodness we had heroes like Fauci working on behalf of the American people. And, strangely enough, Trump gets credit for his accelerated vaccine program.

Many people on the other hand were kind of nuts. It cost a good friend of mine his life, the crazy resistance to vaccination. Early 50s. A life wasted for no reason because of nutty fears and ideas.
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God forbid we possibly trample on someone's rights in a time of emergency over irrational fears that the vaccine causes autism. But they have RFK Jr to stand up for those rights now. The vaccine was so bad for those that took it.
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Gmoney4WW said:
I'm talking about those that are appointed to his cabinet. Security advisors and Secretary of Defense(as long as he is 10 off of active duty) can be formerly high up and very influential with the military brass. And I am sure that Trump will be very aware of this the second time around.
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I’m counting on there being enough disdain for Trump at the highest level of the military that this won’t be an issue. Certainly seems to be the case based on comments made by military brass
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