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Interesting development as MLS Next announced an alliance with the Girls Academy to "enhance player development..." Wonder what ECNL thinks about this.
MLS Next and ECNL have been at odds for sometime now. ECNL has been very aggressive in pursuing and signing GA clubs. Lone star out of Austin being the latest. The objective appears to be to run GA out of business as a competitive platform. It’s working to some extent. MLS Next is taking similar actions with ECNL on the boys side. I know they have plans to expand MLS Next2 clubs/teams.

On the girls side, I doubt ECNL is very concerned. They are in a dominate position. I view the boys side as a bit different. Curious to see how MLS Next2 competes with ECNL. I wouldn’t be surprised to see an MLS Next2 team in Oklahoma in the next year or two. It’s coming imo.
 
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Barry allegedly paid $240k. $217,500 was owed at time lawsuit was filed. Don’t have any other details yet
Probably realized he was going to lose and prolonging it would just mean he'd pay more lawyer fees. Probably settled for amount owed plus some of the other side's legal fees.

Mark will be happy this is done with.
 
Barry allegedly paid $240k. $217,500 was owed at time lawsuit was filed. Don’t have any other details yet
I heard $180k that included the Mac's portion. Definitely wasn't a summary judgement. Doubt anyone will actually know the truth. Attorney's made some $$$$
 
Probably realized he was going to lose and prolonging it would just mean he'd pay more lawyer fees. Probably settled for amount owed plus some of the other side's legal fees.

Mark will be happy this is done with.
I figured it was likely interest. I think everyone will be happy this is over Especially those who guaranteed his debt and got drug into this mess.
 
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MLS Next and ECNL have been at odds for sometime now. ECNL has been very aggressive in pursuing and signing GA clubs. Lone star out of Austin being the latest. The objective appears to be to run GA out of business as a competitive platform. It’s working to some extent. MLS Next is taking similar actions with ECNL on the boys side. I know they have plans to expand MLS Next2 clubs/teams.

On the girls side, I doubt ECNL is very concerned. They are in a dominate position. I view the boys side as a bit different. Curious to see how MLS Next2 competes with ECNL. I wouldn’t be surprised to see an MLS Next2 team in Oklahoma in the next year or two. It’s coming imo.
Lately, I've been tuning into the ECNL podcasts, where the hosts present strong opinions on college, professional, and youth soccer. Listening to them raises questions about their experience and understanding of youth development history. They continuously advocate for a school-aged approach over a birth-year model, as if everything was ideal back then and none of the issues they highlight existed. It almost feels like they stepped into a thriving league without acknowledging its evolution.

In my high school days, there were attempts to create national leagues like the Super Y, but those initiatives never gained momentum. Today, leagues like ECNL, MLS Next, GA, EA, NPL, and others are relatively new developments. While they have certainly enhanced competitiveness at the higher levels, this shift has also led to increased costs for families.

In Tulsa, the higher-end competition is becoming diluted because some individuals misrepresent their children's skills and the prestige of their clubs, their coaching abilities at the top end and the potential to parents.

It’s remarkable how OEFC has managed to maintain its size in OKC, especially in light of the current situation here. I’m uncertain whether this is due to effective leadership at the top or a lack of competition. With 12 boys' teams and seven girls' teams in the 2014 age group, their numbers rival those in Dallas. While the lower-tier teams may not be particularly strong, their presence is a crucial support for funding the upper-tier teams.
 
Lately, I've been tuning into the ECNL podcasts, where the hosts present strong opinions on college, professional, and youth soccer. Listening to them raises questions about their experience and understanding of youth development history. They continuously advocate for a school-aged approach over a birth-year model, as if everything was ideal back then and none of the issues they highlight existed. It almost feels like they stepped into a thriving league without acknowledging its evolution.

In my high school days, there were attempts to create national leagues like the Super Y, but those initiatives never gained momentum. Today, leagues like ECNL, MLS Next, GA, EA, NPL, and others are relatively new developments. While they have certainly enhanced competitiveness at the higher levels, this shift has also led to increased costs for families.

In Tulsa, the higher-end competition is becoming diluted because some individuals misrepresent their children's skills and the prestige of their clubs, their coaching abilities at the top end and the potential to parents.

It’s remarkable how OEFC has managed to maintain its size in OKC, especially in light of the current situation here. I’m uncertain whether this is due to effective leadership at the top or a lack of competition. With 12 boys' teams and seven girls' teams in the 2014 age group, their numbers rival those in Dallas. While the lower-tier teams may not be particularly strong, their presence is a crucial support for funding the upper-tier teams.
Just my opinion but the school class approach is done primarily to assist colleges in recruiting. They can come to one game and everyone on the field will be one class (Sophomores or Juniors for example). I would argue the class approach doesn’t really matter until the player’s freshmen year.

OEFC has strengthened its position as the top Oklahoma club over the past few years imo. One only has to compare the current ECNL league standings for OEFC and TSC to see the vast difference in quality of teams (girls side). The exodus of players from TSC to OEFC has only widened the gap. There are a multitude of reasons imo for the current difference in clubs but quality of coaching as well as player and coach retention (especially on the girls side) is a significant factor. The 2011 ECNL girls at TSC have lost 7 players in the last six months. A Tulsa club cannot sustain those kind of losses. New leadership at TSC is much needed. Hopefully that occurs sooner rather than later.
 
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Just my opinion but the school class approach is done primarily to assist colleges in recruiting. They can come to one game and everyone on the field will be one class (Sophomores or Juniors for example). I would argue the class approach doesn’t really matter until the player’s freshmen year.

OEFC has strengthened its position as the top Oklahoma club over the past few years imo. One only has to compare the current ECNL league standings for OEFC and TSC to see the vast difference in quality of teams (girls side). The exodus of players from TSC to OEFC has only widened the gap. There are a multitude of reasons imo for the current difference in clubs but quality of coaching as well as player and coach retention (especially on the girls side) is a significant factor. The 2011 ECNL girls at TSC have lost 7 players in the last six months. A Tulsa club cannot sustain those kind of losses. New leadership at TSC is much needed. Hopefully that occurs sooner rather than later.
Having an extra 500k people in your market also helps. That said...Tulsa gets people from Arkansas a lot.

Stability helps. On the girl's side, I am guessing that lots of talent has spread out in Tulsa. Some are going down to OKC, and others have gone sides with RL groups or, as we know from this board, even Dallas. Many parents probably think they are super cool now that they are doing well in the RL groups. So many of them probably have little to zero idea how big of a chasm between NL and RL teams.


As a true-blood Tulsan, it disgusts me that so many people are going down to OKC. I hope it disgusts people, too. It is so insulting to this city people are going down there to play. I refuse to believe Jimmy Hampton's legacy is beyond Tulsa.

Do you think cyp needs to be exited? What is his issue? I had a close friend's daughter who is very good to leave to go to OKC. She is an excellent player and the mom cited him.
 
Having an extra 500k people in your market also helps. That said...Tulsa gets people from Arkansas a lot.

Stability helps. On the girl's side, I am guessing that lots of talent has spread out in Tulsa. Some are going down to OKC, and others have gone sides with RL groups or, as we know from this board, even Dallas. Many parents probably think they are super cool now that they are doing well in the RL groups. So many of them probably have little to zero idea how big of a chasm between NL and RL teams.


As a true-blood Tulsan, it disgusts me that so many people are going down to OKC. I hope it disgusts people, too. It is so insulting to this city people are going down there to play. I refuse to believe Jimmy Hampton's legacy is beyond Tulsa.

Do you think cyp needs to be exited? What is his issue? I had a close friend's daughter who is very good to leave to go to OKC. She is an excellent player and the mom cited him.
I really like Cyp as a person. I believe he was thrown into ECNL due to coaches leaving the club before he was ready. His 09s are 3-9. His 11s are also 3-9. Both those teams have worse records this year under his leadership than last year. Poor performance creates tension among the players, parents, coach and club. I don’t believe Cyp has done a very good job in addressing the turmoil caused by losing. Some of the 2011 player losses were due to him while others fall back on Barry.

Nathan Doll is the best girls coach at TSC imo. They need to keep him in the fold. The girls staff needs consistency and Nathan is a great place to start building that foundation.

I don’t believe TSC has a single coach on the girls side who holds an “A” license. I’m sure Dirk will correct me if I’m incorrect. There are 16 girls teams in the ECNL Texas conference. I would be will to be that TSC is the only club who doesn’t have a single girls coach who holds an “A” license.
 
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I really like Cyp as a person. I believe he was thrown into ECNL due to coaches leaving the club before he was ready. His 09s are 3-9. His 11s are also 3-9. Both those teams have worse records this year under his leadership than last year. Poor performance creates tension among the players, parents, coach and club. I don’t believe Cyp has done a very good job in addressing the turmoil caused by losing. Some of the 2011 player losses were due to him while others fall back on Barry.

Nathan Doll is the best girls coach at TSC imo. They need to keep him in the fold. The girls staff needs consistency and Nathan is a great place to start building that foundation.

I don’t believe TSC has a single coach on the girls side who holds an “A” license. I’m sure Dirk will correct me if I’m incorrect. There are 16 girls teams in the ECNL Texas conference. I would be will to be that TSC is the only club who doesn’t have a single girls coach who holds an “A” license.
I have no idea. Vuko got his “A” license and I wouldn’t let him coach my son. Most coaches don’t get licensing because of $ not their abilities. Cyp would probably be better on the boys side. Nathan is a Star. Chris is great on the boys side. Tony is ok. Leo is awesome but the culture differences in US verse South America makes things tricky. Maybe to many Brazilian coaches?
 
I have no idea. Vuko got his “A” license and I wouldn’t let him coach my son. Most coaches don’t get licensing because of $ not their abilities. Cyp would probably be better on the boys side. Nathan is a Star. Chris is great on the boys side. Tony is ok. Leo is awesome but the culture differences in US verse South America makes things tricky. Maybe to many Brazilian coaches?
I view an “A” license much like an MBA in business. The license shows a high level of experience and education in addition to being a status symbol. Which is why almost all ECNL clubs have at least one coach on each side with an “A” license. Lewis Amos and Yolanda Thomas both have their “A” license. Amos moving to Florida was a loss for the club imo.

Agree on Nathan. Very important for TSC to keep him in the fold. He’s the type of coach you can build your club around.

I like Leo and consider him a friend. We went to Las Vegas with him for futsal and he is an all-star in that arena. TSC threw him into coaching non-futsal teams when they ran low on coaches. I believe he’s done a fine job. He’s faced some really tough obstacles this past year and maybe hasn’t responded the best to them due in large part to cultural differences imo. Central and South American soccer culture is just different. Some coaches can adjust and some cannot. Many need a strong mentor to help them navigate the American culture. I wish him nothing but the best whether that’s in Tulsa or elsewhere.
 
I view an “A” license much like an MBA in business. The license shows a high level of experience and education in addition to being a status symbol. Which is why almost all ECNL clubs have at least one coach on each side with an “A” license. Lewis Amos and Yolanda Thomas both have their “A” license. Amos moving to Florida was a loss for the club imo.

Agree on Nathan. Very important for TSC to keep him in the fold. He’s the type of coach you can build your club around.

I like Leo and consider him a friend. We went to Las Vegas with him for futsal and he is an all-star in that arena. TSC threw him into coaching non-futsal teams when they ran low on coaches. I believe he’s done a fine job. He’s faced some really tough obstacles this past year and maybe hasn’t responded the best to them due in large part to cultural differences imo. Central and South American soccer culture is just different. Some coaches can adjust and some cannot. Many need a strong mentor to help them navigate the American culture. I wish him nothing but the best whether that’s in Tulsa or elsewhere.

I was around Yo-yo. She was nothing impressive, but maybe I am wrong, as she resonated differently. She was an odd duck.

Chris Taylor is a good coach. I watch him in games and sessions. I think he is good.

Leo is a good dude. He is mega-intense and isn't geared for less competitive people or people who aren't committed or locked in. He helped a team my son was on in only a few months. They needed a kick in the butt, and most of our parents wanted it. However, one or two kids feared him because he was so demanding. They got away with anything before but it wasn't going to cut it at the top level. As it stood the year before, they didn't have second-team players to replace them. It was a super young team, which I am not sure he usually coaches. Still, he has a ton of fun with them, though, and he's hilarious.

We never got to get him for futsal, which I am sure we will at some point if he hopefully stays in Tulsa.

I think one of the things that frustrates him is the American soccer culture of poaching players constantly. He thinks people are selling BS.
 
I was around Yo-yo. She was nothing impressive, but maybe I am wrong, as she resonated differently. She was an odd duck.

Chris Taylor is a good coach. I watch him in games and sessions. I think he is good.

Leo is a good dude. He is mega-intense and isn't geared for less competitive people or people who aren't committed or locked in. He helped a team my son was on in only a few months. They needed a kick in the butt, and most of our parents wanted it. However, one or two kids feared him because he was so demanding. They got away with anything before but it wasn't going to cut it at the top level. As it stood the year before, they didn't have second-team players to replace them. It was a super young team, which I am not sure he usually coaches. Still, he has a ton of fun with them, though, and he's hilarious.

We never got to get him for futsal, which I am sure we will at some point if he hopefully stays in Tulsa.

I think one of the things that frustrates him is the American soccer culture of poaching players constantly. He thinks people are selling BS.
Yo is one of the more accomplished soccer coaches to ever come out of Tulsa. More importantly she was a member of the ECNL board while at TSC. She also had multiple relationships with college coaches which assisted TSC girls in recruiting. I would argue a lot of her value was away from the actual pitch . Here’s her bio.

 
Yo is one of the more accomplished soccer coaches to ever come out of Tulsa. More importantly she was a member of the ECNL board while at TSC. She also had multiple relationships with college coaches which assisted TSC girls in recruiting. I would argue a lot of her value was away from the actual pitch . Here’s her bio.

If you look at any of the TSC ECNL top squads, do you think they struggle to get recruited? Negative. The current oldest team is going to a stout lineup of colleges. If you are a d1 school and don't know every ECNL-NL team in this country and aren't forming a relationship, especially in your region, you are a total failure.
 
I have no idea. Vuko got his “A” license and I wouldn’t let him coach my son. Most coaches don’t get licensing because of $ not their abilities. Cyp would probably be better on the boys side. Nathan is a Star. Chris is great on the boys side. Tony is ok. Leo is awesome but the culture differences in US verse South America makes things tricky. Maybe to many Brazilian coaches?
Is your son a '16?
 
If you look at any of the TSC ECNL top squads, do you think they struggle to get recruited? Negative. The current oldest team is going to a stout lineup of colleges. If you are a d1 school and don't know every ECNL-NL team in this country and aren't forming a relationship, especially in your region, you are a total failure.
Depends on the year. The current senior class at TSC is a strong class and played at nationals multiple times. They also received marquee games at showcases due to their success. They earned the opportunity to be seen. The 2008 class is struggling with D1 schools. They have never been to nationals and get shuffled down at showcases to lower level games. Not many eyeballs on that group. The 09s are currently facing the same situation. Seeing 40 college coaches at a girls soccer game with their laminated sheets containing the bios of every girl on the pitch is a very cool sight. But those games are reserved for the high level sides

Yo would act as the go between for the college and the player as she had close contacts with most schools. That task is now almost exclusively on the player. Something which unfortunately is common in most clubs. This isn’t a criticism of TSC but a criticism of most clubs. I think you would be amazed at the number of emails and highlight reels freshmen and sophomore players send to colleges.
 
Oh man, I am super happy to have found this forum and conversation.

I have thoughts / opinions on youth soccer in Tulsa and more broadly, Oklahoma.

My daughter is a 12 ECNL player and it's been a ROUGH year. We expected the first year to be tough, but this feels beyond "tough". I think there is an almost systemic problem with the girls side at TSC, especially this year.

There are not nearly enough coaches / resources being put into the girls side, especially in this age group. That being said: There are glimmers of hope. There are some things in the works that I truly appreciate and think can be a big positive, but there are still glaring issues that have to be addressed.

I can echo the sentiment re: Nathan. I like him a lot, I think he's a great asset. I hope TSC doesn't drop the ball with him. Them not doing everything they could to keep Tina happy is, in my opinion, one of the biggest fumbles. I couldn't tell you how many players and former players she's influenced / helped over the year.

There is definitely something wrong with the club / culture when you have top tier talent (at least for Oklahoma) either 1. leaving the club or 2. not coming to the club to begin with...and that's not being addressed. There are at least 3 2012 Girl players that should be playing for the Tulsa ECNL team and it seems as if it's not even an option for them. They / their families are not even considering us, or at least weren't. Maybe they will next season, but idk why they would when we aren't fostering a winning culture / addressing any of the glaring issues.

I will also say this: the 12 ECNL Girls coach, Gui, has been amazing. He's working within the confines of the club and doing his absolute best with what he's allowed to do and he's done an amazing job so far.
 
Oh man, I am super happy to have found this forum and conversation.

I have thoughts / opinions on youth soccer in Tulsa and more broadly, Oklahoma.

My daughter is a 12 ECNL player and it's been a ROUGH year. We expected the first year to be tough, but this feels beyond "tough". I think there is an almost systemic problem with the girls side at TSC, especially this year.

There are not nearly enough coaches / resources being put into the girls side, especially in this age group. That being said: There are glimmers of hope. There are some things in the works that I truly appreciate and think can be a big positive, but there are still glaring issues that have to be addressed.

I can echo the sentiment re: Nathan. I like him a lot, I think he's a great asset. I hope TSC doesn't drop the ball with him. Them not doing everything they could to keep Tina happy is, in my opinion, one of the biggest fumbles. I couldn't tell you how many players and former players she's influenced / helped over the year.

There is definitely something wrong with the club / culture when you have top tier talent (at least for Oklahoma) either 1. leaving the club or 2. not coming to the club to begin with...and that's not being addressed. There are at least 3 2012 Girl players that should be playing for the Tulsa ECNL team and it seems as if it's not even an option for them. They / their families are not even considering us, or at least weren't. Maybe they will next season, but idk why they would when we aren't fostering a winning culture / addressing any of the glaring issues.

I will also say this: the 12 ECNL Girls coach, Gui, has been amazing. He's working within the confines of the club and doing his absolute best with what he's allowed to do and he's done an amazing job so far.
Welcome to the thread. I believe you have a very realistic view of the landscape at TSC….both positive and negative.

The 2012 group currently lacks the talent to compete for a Champions League spot in the Texas league. Those girls who are playing elsewhere would greatly help that squad. Some bridges have been burned by the club with those families. I do believe there’s a decent chance of getting one or two of those girls back in the next year or two. Especially if a change of leadership occurs.

TSC girls teams experience success at the academy level. Many parents don’t understand those teams in Dallas, Houston and Austin consolidate the talent beginning that first ECNL so the the teams you’re beating in U12 don’t have the same players as what you’re playing in U13.

The girls side has always been slighted imo on resources. Which is a bit odd since the girls side is more profitable as most of the fee waivers are given to the boys side. The girls side needs an overall coaching upgrade and those coaches need to be retained. A high turnover in the staff isn’t good for anybody.

I’m not sure if your daughter’s goal is to play college. If so let me know and I will be happy to give you my advice….right or wrong.

Like most of the older girls in the club, my daughter played for Tina. She was a very good transitional coach from academy to competitive. When a club is focused on cost cutting you’re going to lose some talented coaches
 
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