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Voter disenfranchisement

astonmartin708 said:
They lost an election where turnout was easier than it had been due to mail in voting and they decided they couldn’t accept that. So they changed the rules to make mail in voting more difficult. You now have to provide ID to vote by mail. They restricted the times you can drop off your ballot and made the ballot drop off locations more difficulty to get (You now have to go to a clerks office which we all know can be a hastle and you can only do it during certain hours) they also restricted the number of drop boxes which is pejorative to large population counties. They made the head of the election commission a stooge position that is now elected by the house of Reps (a body subject to gerrymandering) instead of being the Secretary of State which is a statewide elected official. (I.e. not subject to gerrymandering)
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Change the rules for elections. See the new rules Pennsylvania dem pushed to make voting "easier", but lreduced the credibility if the votes. There are blue states with similar laws. And dem gerrymandering also. And you still did not give any examples of how this is voter suppression or hampers one group over another. Although I did see where dems were fighting purging the voter role of dead people, calling it voter suppression.
 
I still have not seen on cnn etal or this forum anyone provide specifics on how the ga laws disenfranchises anyone especially blacks.
 
shon46 said:
almost every state in the South amends their voter rules in an effort to eliminate the theft of votes that occurred this past election cycle.
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Is your source this time Rudy G, the Pillow Man or Russian Television?
 
watu05 said:
Is your source this time Rudy G, the Pillow Man or Russian Television?
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Lol 😂 put up or shut up! if my source is wrong, I will buy you and your buddies unlimited beer at this years homecoming!
 
They wouldn’t want those pesky black people to actually turn out and vote down south. That’s never turned out well down there.
 
astonmartin708 said:
They wouldn’t want those pesky black people to actually turn out and vote down south. That’s never turned out well down there.
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Lol dude, We ALL have to show an ID to buy alcohol, get on a plane, but cigarettes, get into a bar/club, pick up certified mail, get insurance, to be seen at a hospital, to buy gas, on and on.......yet now all of a sudden making people in Georgia or the South show an ID to vote is now somehow racist against black people. 😂. Come on! Really? Securing drop boxes, eliminating most forms of mail in voting, and eliminating the political activist pestering people trying to sway them to vote one way or another while delivering water in line were much needed things that needed to be addressed. Those moves were not racist!
 
her points:

shorter runoff period.
And this is a problem because?

mail-in ballots must be requested by the voter.
what's wrong with that?

photo id.
Everybody has one

no out of precinct voting.
just look at your voter registration card where it says precinct, there are many sources that will provide you with the correct address


30 hours less for drop off ballot boxes.
about an hour a day. If that is a problem for you just mail in your mail in ballot.

shorter operating hours
this is the one point I agree with her. Voting hours should be 7 to 7

she did not mention anything that would prevent anyone from voting.
 
aTUfan said:
her points:

shorter runoff period.
And this is a problem because?

mail-in ballots must be requested by the voter.
what's wrong with that?

photo id.
Everybody has one

no out of precinct voting.
just look at your voter registration card where it says precinct, there are many sources that will provide you with the correct address


30 hours less for drop off ballot boxes.
about an hour a day. If that is a problem for you just mail in your mail in ballot.

shorter operating hours
this is the one point I agree with her. Voting hours should be 7 to 7

she did not mention anything that would prevent anyone from voting.
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A) she had more but she was king Kennedy look bad so he cut her off.

B) it allows less time for people who voted for neither candidate to make up their mind and to vote for said candidate.
C) not everyone has a valid ID. As many people have said throughout the years, voter ID laws disproportionately drive down the participation in minorities who are legal citizens.

D) you should be able to register to vote the day of the election if you so desire. There is no legitimate reason to require people to register in advance other than to make things difficult.

The overarching point as with all Republican backed bowyer suppression is that, none of these items on their own would prevent a voter from voting, but in combination they make the voting process so laden with hoops that certain voters might have to jump through that they make voting annoying and cumbersome so people don’t do it. It’s all just an effort to drive down turnout by increasing the number of arbitrary rules that don’t serve any function.
 
astonmartin708 said:
A) she had more but she was king Kennedy look bad so he cut her off.

B) it allows less time for people who voted for neither candidate to make up their mind and to vote for said candidate.
C) not everyone has a valid ID. As many people have said throughout the years, voter ID laws disproportionately drive down the participation in minorities who are legal citizens.

D) you should be able to register to vote the day of the election if you so desire. There is no legitimate reason to require people to register in advance other than to make things difficult.

The overarching point as with all Republican backed bowyer suppression is that, none of these items on their own would prevent a voter from voting, but in combination they make the voting process so laden with hoops that certain voters might have to jump through that they make voting annoying and cumbersome so people don’t do it. It’s all just an effort to drive down turnout by increasing the number of arbitrary rules that don’t serve any function.
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What’s funny is many other states including Blue ones like Cali have similar rules but when Georgia does it, it’s racist!
 
B. so how much more time do these "informed" voters need?

C. so get one

D. in a given year you have 11 months to register before federal elections. that isn't enough time?
Also how can you validate a voter who registers day of?
 
astonmartin708 said:
A) she had more but she was king Kennedy look bad so he cut her off.

B) it allows less time for people who voted for neither candidate to make up their mind and to vote for said candidate.
C) not everyone has a valid ID. As many people have said throughout the years, voter ID laws disproportionately drive down the participation in minorities who are legal citizens.

D) you should be able to register to vote the day of the election if you so desire. There is no legitimate reason to require people to register in advance other than to make things difficult.

The overarching point as with all Republican backed bowyer suppression is that, none of these items on their own would prevent a voter from voting, but in combination they make the voting process so laden with hoops that certain voters might have to jump through that they make voting annoying and cumbersome so people don’t do it. It’s all just an effort to drive down turnout by increasing the number of arbitrary rules that don’t serve any function.
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astonmartin708 said:
A) she had more but she was king Kennedy look bad so he cut her off.

B) it allows less time for people who voted for neither candidate to make up their mind and to vote for said candidate.
C) not everyone has a valid ID. As many people have said throughout the years, voter ID laws disproportionately drive down the participation in minorities who are legal citizens.

D) you should be able to register to vote the day of the election if you so desire. There is no legitimate reason to require people to register in advance other than to make things difficult.

The overarching point as with all Republican backed bowyer suppression is that, none of these items on their own would prevent a voter from voting, but in combination they make the voting process so laden with hoops that certain voters might have to jump through that they make voting annoying and cumbersome so people don’t do it. It’s all just an effort to drive down turnout by increasing the number of arbitrary rules that don’t serve any function.
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arbitrary rules??? we need a method of voter and ballot integrity so no one can call foul.
 
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aTUfan said:
you still have not answered the question.
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You still haven’t proven to me why any changes were necessary. The reasoning behind these changes was either A) not supplied at all, or B) not significant enough to warrant the changes. That makes them arbitrary (or subversive in this case because the real reasons the changes were made have nothing to do with the reasons that were given as justification for them)
 
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watu05 said:
Republicans in Georgia reportedly want to imitate the Arizona recount clown show.

www.cbsnews.com

The Arizona GOP's Maricopa County audit: What to know about it

Whatever the outcome, the Republican Senate's recount and audit will not change the results of the 2020 election.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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It seems like Dominion is in some serious serious trouble 😂😂. If Dominion can’t/won’t provide the password, the whole election could be flipped.
www.thegatewaypundit.com

BREAKING... AZ Audit Director Ken Bennett: Dominion Refuses to Comply with Subpoena and Turn Over Password to Their Maricopa County Machines | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Arizona Audit Director Ken Bennett joined One America News to discuss the latest developments in the Maricopa County forensic audit.
www.thegatewaypundit.com www.thegatewaypundit.com
 
astonmartin708 said:
A) she had more but she was king Kennedy look bad so he cut her off.

B) it allows less time for people who voted for neither candidate to make up their mind and to vote for said candidate.
C) not everyone has a valid ID. As many people have said throughout the years, voter ID laws disproportionately drive down the participation in minorities who are legal citizens.

D) you should be able to register to vote the day of the election if you so desire. There is no legitimate reason to require people to register in advance other than to make things difficult.

The overarching point as with all Republican backed bowyer suppression is that, none of these items on their own would prevent a voter from voting, but in combination they make the voting process so laden with hoops that certain voters might have to jump through that they make voting annoying and cumbersome so people don’t do it. It’s all just an effort to drive down turnout by increasing the number of arbitrary rules that don’t serve any function.
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How are you going to know how many ballots to print for the various polling locations without an accurate poll book? And without electronic polling books and identification verification, how do you prevent 20 Proud Boys from voting at four different locations and throwing an election by 75 votes?

I love how the Dems are against voter ID claiming (even though they know the claim has repeatedly been proven false) that not everyone can get voter ID but they favor same day voter registration with valid ID.

It really opens your eyes into what their election law agenda is all about: as many votes for them as possible regardless of what havoc it creates.
 
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HuffyCane said:
How are you going to know how many ballots to print for the various polling locations without an accurate poll book? And without electronic polling books and identification verification, how do you prevent 20 Proud Boys from voting at four different locations and throwing an election by 75 votes?

I love how the Dems are against voter ID claiming (even though they know the claim has repeatedly been proven false) that not everyone can get voter ID but they favor same day voter registration with valid ID.

It really opens your eyes into what their election law agenda is all about: as many votes for them as possible regardless of what havoc it creates.
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It hasn't been havoc so far, why should it be in the future?
 
astonmartin708 said:
You still haven’t proven to me why any changes were necessary. The reasoning behind these changes was either A) not supplied at all, or B) not significant enough to warrant the changes. That makes them arbitrary (or subversive in this case because the real reasons the changes were made have nothing to do with the reasons that were given as justification for them)
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because the dems changed a lot of voting regulations before the election which lead to voting, and vote count abuses.
 
watu05 said:
The POT Arizona clown show has a new act..

Maricopa Co. Sheriff says Arizona election audit risks law enforcement

www.azcentral.com

Maricopa County Sheriff Paul Penzone blasts Arizona Senate's election audit demand as a risk to law enforcement

The Arizona Senate wants Maricopa County to provide routers, or digital copies of the routers, and certain passwords to voting machines.
www.azcentral.com
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They are doing everything in their power to stop the Audit 😂. These tactics may slow the progress but It’s not going to stop audit. After learning through the audit that Dominion hardware has allegedly not been certified since 2017, yesterday citizens of AZ filed a writ of Quo Warranto with the AZ Supreme Court, asking them to invalidate the results of all elections that took place in the state since 2017. I have no faith in our judicial system to do the right thing if the voting machines were not certified however it will be entertaining to see how the Supreme Court rules. Crazy times!
 
Oh yeah, ask the supreme court to invalidate the election, and throw the whole country into chaos over a technicality.
 
aTUfan said:
because the dems changed a lot of voting regulations before the election which lead to voting, and vote count abuses.
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No Republican (or any non-partisan outfit) has shown significant proof of that.

Any changes made to combat that is speculative at best and there is not proof that the changes being proposed / passed are going to fully solve the biggest issues with our election systems, or that they aren't going to be overkill and suppress more legitimate votes than they protect.
 
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astonmartin708 said:
No Republican (or any non-partisan outfit) has shown significant proof of that.

Any changes made to combat that is speculative at best and there is not proof that the changes being proposed / passed are going to fully solve the biggest issues with our election systems, or that they aren't going to be overkill and suppress more legitimate votes than they protect.
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Georgia and Stacey Abrams says hello 👋🏽 😂
 
Gmoney4WW said:
Oh yeah, ask the supreme court to invalidate the election, and throw the whole country into chaos over a technicality.
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I have zero faith in our court system and don’t expect anything to happen. However I do believe your argument about the courts factoring in an outcome before deliberating a ruling should never be a factor. Lady justice is blindfolded for a reason. The courts job is to make a legal determination based upon the evidence provided. If the law was not followed, the court has a legal obligation to enforce the laws put in place!
 
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astonmartin708 said:
No Republican (or any non-partisan outfit) has shown significant proof of that.

Any changes made to combat that is speculative at best and there is not proof that the changes being proposed / passed are going to fully solve the biggest issues with our election systems, or that they aren't going to be overkill and suppress more legitimate votes than they protect.
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changes to allow allow different signatures on mailn ballots.
changes to allow uncontrolled ballot harvesting
changes to allow unlimited accepance of mailing ballots.
changes to allow unsupervised vote counting
changes to allow missing ballot boxes to miraculously appear.
 
never heard of a drop box. if one isn't handy, take you ballot to a polling place or just put a 55 cents stamp on it: in some states the postage if free.
 
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aTUfan said:
arbitrary rules??? we need a method of voter and ballot integrity so no one can call foul.
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The only ones calling foul in the most inspected, secure election in US history are a bunch sore losers who care more about keeping power than the country they supposedly want to serve. The will of the people spoke by 8 million votes. There is no evidence of voter fraud except of a tiny number of cases (mostly by members of the Party of Trump) who were caught and whose votes would not have affected the election outcome if they hadn't been.

Removing Liz Cheney from POT leadership in the House and the censuring of legislators around the country by the POT are proof that the lying about elections is a requirement for the POT.

The partisan clown show in Arizona is a testament of the commitment of the Party of Trump to destroying faith in our elections to keep a corrupt group of oligarchs in power. This is how fascism takes hold: destroy faith in the press, destroy faith in democratic institutions, and put a populist strong man in power who claims only he can deliver what people want by wielding unlimited power.
 
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watu05 said:
The only ones calling foul in the most inspected, secure election in US history are a bunch sore losers who care more about keeping power than the country they supposedly want to serve. The will of the people spoke by 8 million votes. There is no evidence of voter fraud except of a tiny number of cases (mostly by members of the Party of Trump) who were caught and whose votes would not have affected the election outcome if they hadn't been.

Removing Liz Cheney from POT leadership in the House and the censuring of legislators around the country by the POT are proof that the lying about elections is a requirement for the POT.

The partisan clown show in Arizona is a testament of the commitment of the Party of Trump to destroying faith in our elections to keep a corrupt group of oligarchs in power. This is how fascism takes hold: destroy faith in the press, destroy faith in democratic institutions, and put a populist strong man in power who claims only he can deliver what people want by welding unlimited power.
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As an agent for the CCP, I know you Must make these statements on their behalf however, Not even you believes the left propaganda about the election 😂.

I am ecstatic that the RINO’s of the Republican Party are being ousted. I wish McConnell and McCarthy would follow but there is still time 😂. What you see is the America First party taking over the Republican Party. Instead of forming a new party which had very little chance to succeed, they just took over an already established party.
This title wave of grass roots efforts by the America First party is taking back control of the local politics and working their way up. They are the catalyst for the new voting laws passed that will protect against future election fraud as well as pass other laws protecting Judeo Christian values.
This is an amazingly exciting time and it is great watching the establishment Republicans getting picked off one at a time as well as the Dems destroy the country, driving even more people towards the America First party!
 
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Republican party -- leadership sucks, let's the left dominate
never trumpers --- tools for the left
Democrat party -- a bunch of know it alls
Trump party - what you see is what you get
Aoc, etal -- anarchoists
Warren, sanders. -- anti-capitalism
shiff, Pelosi, schumer, fienstein etal. - pawns
bho, hrc, bill -- yesterday's news
msm -- Democrat party pr firm
blm, antifs etal. -- domestic terrorist groups
 
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