Makes more sense that it was the article published the day before though.(Russia's Economy Is Starting to Come Undone. )
Ukraine….what’s our endgame here
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I forgot to post this, but that was an obfuscation of the truth, when they published that edited clip of Zelensky. The media outlets should have all blared this out immediately. Instead it has taken a month for it to filter out to a mass of media outlets. I saw something on it today on CNN, and I don't believe they have published anything bout it before this.(according to brief google search) It reminded me to post this.
'This statement is pulled out of context. Zelenskyy said this in response to a question about opinion polls in the U.S. that show a growing number of Americans think their government was giving too much support to Ukraine. A journalist asked about his message to Americans who had those concerns. Zelenskyy said (emphasis, ours):'
'This statement is pulled out of context. Zelenskyy said this in response to a question about opinion polls in the U.S. that show a growing number of Americans think their government was giving too much support to Ukraine. A journalist asked about his message to Americans who had those concerns. Zelenskyy said (emphasis, ours):'
We might as well send our sons n daughters.. only way this meat grinder ends... we overthrew european leaders two hundred plus yrs ago only to clean up their interbred messes twice... our interference in the squabble between the cousins led to the rise of Hitler.. we had to clean up wilsons resulting mess.. why not clean up Obamas?.. he let Putin take the Crimea... he emboldened the dictator... so lets go clean up the mess once again.. how much blood amd treasure is that worthess effing continent worth?
You are calling Britain inbred. I'm sure you've got something in your heritage from that inbred country. If Trump had been in office, I'm sure he would have helped Russia rather than hindered them. I doubt you would have said much about it then. But it's all to blame on Obama. We're the melting pot of the world, but the rest of the world is inbred good for nothings that cause all of the problems that exist.
It's always what they have done. You blame everybody but 'your' tribe for everything. It's the other family, the other state, the other party, the other country, the other continents fault. If we discover aliens then I'm sure it will be their fault. That doesn't solve the problem, it just makes you a bitchy Archie Bunker type.
That continent is most of the rest of the world. We have reached a state of being where people from different parts of the world depend on each other for just about everything. You can find something that the majority of countries out there do for the other. You let that go and eventually the Soviet Union is back together. Then we just went back 75 years. Just push harder on Texas secession. Then you all can leave it to the rest of the U.S. to take care of it. It's a global economy no matter how much you want to ignore that.
Suppose it’s time to once again ask the single most important question regarding this war….what is our plan for defeating Russia? Especially now it appears China is set to aid Russia. Is the reason we appear unable to thwart China’s growing diplomatic and economic influence across the globe due to our focus on Ukraine?
We can argue the pros and cons of continuing to supply just enough aid to keep the war ongoing.
What can’t be argued is our economic influence across the world appears to be diminishing.
We can argue the pros and cons of continuing to supply just enough aid to keep the war ongoing.
What can’t be argued is our economic influence across the world appears to be diminishing.
Maybe they are not trying to win, just force everyone to take sides while we study Chinese logistics.
Trump started that, and the aftermath of covid isn't helping much. The Democrats aren't doing anything decisive to stop the bleeding. But I don't know what we could be doing to take the reigns back right now. But I never said I should be the leader of the free(ish) world. On foreign policy, I have a feeling it would just be screwed up in a slightly different way if there was a republican in office.(besides Trump) None of them are acting like they have any solutions other than, 'not the way the Democrats are doing it.'
One would hope. If that's not what they are doing then they probably have no real & active plan.
It’s more likely there are three or four plans and twenty or so people arguing about which one is best. By that I mean which one will enrich their friends the most.
Same as it ever was.(for both parties) We need somebody new, and I don't see that person out there right now.
Will they make a difference wihout skilled pilots and AWACs support?
That’s referred to in the business as “an aircraft service interruption with no post incident visibility.”
“People keep dying” isn’t a very good counter argument to me. That can apply to resistance in any war. “If the ________ people would just stop resisting and people would stop helping them, fewer would die.”
It a good counter argument when the goal appears to be to send just enough support to “keep the people dying”. Let’s be clear, the only parties benefiting at this point are those corporations involved in arms manufacturing who are receiving billions and billions of dollars.
The line over the winter and spring has been “just wait for the Ukrainian counter offensive”. Of course this never really occurred due to the limited support the Ukrainian military is receiving. Suppose we are hoping to outlast Putin in hopes he will withdrawal from Ukraine? Hoping a coup take Putin out of power? We obviously aren’t doing enough to win the war on the battlefield. .
The alternative would have been Russia overruns Ukraine. How is that a better outcome than an extended conflict?
The alternative would be to drive Russia out of Ukraine and end this conflict.
Would love to know what people think is the “endgame” in this supposed conspiracy of pretending to help them.
Troop Deaths and Injuries in Ukraine War Near 500,000, U.S. Officials Say
Ukraine and Russia have lost a staggering number of troops as Kyiv’s counteroffensive drags on. A lack of rapid medical care has added to the toll.
I can only speak for myself but i absolutely believe we aren’t pretending to help but in fact helping Ukraine. Now I do believe we are pretending that we are trying to win this war. Provide no more or no less support it takes to keep the war going and the borders roughly where they currently currently exist. Deplete Russia’s military and economy while strengthening NATO. A never ending conflict has many positives for the US if we ignore the money we’re spending and the lives (non US) being lost. Such a strategy would obviously never work if Ameticans were being killed by the hundreds of thousands instead of Ukrainians.
We could eject Russia from Ukraine in 3 months if we wanted to do the same.
As in you can’t spend twenty years saying the Iraq War was an elaborate way for Dick Cheney to enrich his friends and not admit more than a little bit of the same is going on here. Can’t say much more than that here.
On the upside, we are cleaning out the rusting weapons closets of Western Europe.
Gotta keep it going long enough to fill everyones off shore bank accounts and then destroy the evidence of the transfers..
The end game is connected people get filthy rich off of kick backs and misdirected funds..
That’s always the case. WATU’s the only one who thinks that’s sufficient to explain the motivation for war and only when it’s Bush and Rumsfeld.
Yikes. Somebody is getting fired for that one. I believe the house already apologized for this.
I’ve been saying this for quite some time. Appears others are now seeing this war for what it is….a never ending quagmire of death and destruction as the US and the rest of NATO seem only interested in keeping the war going
As so many Republicans liked to mention during our immoral invasion of the Middle East…. Freedom Don’t Come Free.
We kept that useless quagmire going for 20 years. Pretty sure we can keep a defensive conflict where the government and populous is actually begging for our assistance going for as long as it needs to in order to protect democracy from tyranny.
So you’re justifying providing just enough support to maintain the current level of killing (half a million killed or injured at last count) because we’ve made bad foreign policy decisions in the past….wow. Imagine all the actions we could justify going forward with such logic.
Today I learned it was immoral to invade Afghanistan after 911, but it was moral to leave and allow an entire country of women to be sentenced to a lifetime of abuse and sexual slavery
Since we’ve enslaved people in the past I’m pretty sure can support sentencing people to a lifetime of abuse and sexual slavery. Did I do this correctly ?
No, I am justifying the continued conflict because it has a high quality of principal which our forays into the Middle East never had. It’s the first time in ~70 years that we’ve actually been asked to defend freedom for a somewhat righteous purpose.
This was an unforced act by Russia.
The same people that are waffling on support for the war now, are the same people that wanted to “stick a boot in your ass“ 15 years ago at the cost of thousands of lives of innocents. Forgive me if I happen to think that they shouldn’t be allowed to make military policy decisions anymore.
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