Trump conviction
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The laws aren’t the problem. Their selective application is my concern. Again…show me one other instance where NY has charged much less prosecuted someone with multiple felonies for misreporting a business expense. Same argument goes to the civil trial.
I will ask again…do you believe these two cases were politically motivated? I don’t give a damn about Trump. I greatly care about the precedent of using the judicial system to target those with differing political views. DA’s running election campaigns promising to target political figures from the opposite party is also problematics.
Not a lawyer, and especially not a New York lawyer, but I did hear an explanation of that. The judge didn't refuse to give the instructions. Apparently, in NY state, it is largely prohibited and can be cause for overturning a verdict. It is sometimes done with the defense counsel's consent, but as I understood it, Trump's team did not consent to giving them instructions.
A problem at least partially of his own making, per usual.
You aren’t alone. I think a lot of institutionalist Republicans thought he would be found not guilty here and guilty in Florida and the system would appear to work and that would rid them of Trump.
Judging by mainstream media on the right who have been critical of Trump demanding a list of those to be investigated and prosecuted, including which states they have vacation homes, we are going down a new path but with a familiar view.
They managed to get Nixon out of office. His appointees held grudges for 50 years. Some are still active in the political process. Much of the distrust during the Clinton years dated back to personal grudges during the Watergare investigations.
Gore contesting the 2000 election and demanding only the votes he wanted recounted be recounted brought us to where we are with public distrust of elections.
You wonder where we are headed now.
My sense is a lot of really good Republicans are going to second guess getting involved in the political process and that definitely hurts our country.
I agree it does set a dangerous precedent for politicians who care to pay their porn star mistresses in the state of NY that they account for it correctly and / or disclose it to the public as a payment made in furtherance of their campaign
I suppose you think it’s too much to ask that we just don’t elect politicians who have cheated on their wives, much less electing ones that lied and worked with skeezy tabloid magnates to cover it up.
What ever happened to the Republican Party acting as a moral majority for America? I see absolutely no morals from that party anymore.
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On the 10th day god said, "
Bang the pornstars
Get the lawyer to take out a 400k loan
Get the hoe to Sign the NDA
Write it off as a legal retainer expense
Don't pay all of it
Whine like it is an injustice of the legal system when his lawyer goes down for it.
Whine like a bitch when you are convicted in two days on 34 counts.
Get real.
Bang the pornstars
Get the lawyer to take out a 400k loan
Get the hoe to Sign the NDA
Write it off as a legal retainer expense
Don't pay all of it
Whine like it is an injustice of the legal system when his lawyer goes down for it.
Whine like a bitch when you are convicted in two days on 34 counts.
Get real.
In some ways, they accomplished it decades ago. If you talk to knowledgeable people who worked in the Reagan/Bush years as appointees, they took out $1 to $3 million insurance policies, at their own expense, to defend against lawsuits naming them personally for official acts or civil rights/employment complaints. The kind of junk nuisance lawsuits that eat up your savings, threaten your home/family budget, and distract you all day from work. A close friend worked in the Obama Administration, he told me he never heard of such a thing. The reality is that each party has their ways of funding their activities. One of those ways for Dems is endless lawsuits against Republicans while in office not always to stop the policy implementation but always to get attorneys fees that are funneled back into campaign coffers. Now you are adding threats of jail to the mix. Why would anyone volunteer for that to make $125,000 a year in the second most expensive city in America?
Trump’s own words on the subject of electing a felon to office….
Let’s see if we can find Biden’s own words. Maybe they both should disqualify themselves
Democratic White House hopeful Joe Biden said Thursday during his final debate with President Donald Trump that presiding over the nation as 220,000 Americans died from the coronavirus should disqualify Trump from reelection.
"Anyone who's responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America," Biden said in the opening remarks of the showdown that comes just 12 days before the election.
Democratic White House hopeful Joe Biden said Thursday during his final debate with President Donald Trump that presiding over the nation as 220,000 Americans died from the coronavirus should disqualify Trump from reelection.
"Anyone who's responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America," Biden said in the opening remarks of the showdown that comes just 12 days before the election.
Edited because I found a better breakdown of the stats:
There a lot of important stipulations that are important to that issue. Biden was in office for more time with the corona virus than Trump was. So obviously more people would die. Trump 1 yr, Biden 2 yrs. The death toll was lesser for Biden when accounting for the daily average over the 2 yr period. Biden time period of 2 yrs and approx. 115% of death toll comparatively to Trump.(Didn't include last six mo, which would have swayed it even more in Biden's favor, because the virus wasn't as virulent then.)
Then you have to compare the peoples actions that neither Biden or Trump could control. The people demanded more freedom as time went on, and that brought on a higher level of outbreak than would have been, if people kept themselves cooped up like they were still doing during Trumps time in office. Trump spurred on the publics demand for that freedom, but it would have happened anyway.
That's a bit of a grasp for a subject to provide Biden with a Self hanging mechanism, equal to Trumps.
Did you really leave out the fact that Biden had the vaccine and Trump did not when you laid out your fact pattern ? Not to mention a better understanding of how to treat the virus. None of that changes Biden words btw. He made no qualifications.
So Biden was supposed to stop the disease on day 1 by a snap of his fingers?
And he was supposed to do it despite resistance to protective measures from conservative state politicians?
Ultimately the statement said anyone who was “responsible” not that many deaths…. Trump was responsible as he made many errors downplaying, ignoring, etc…. Biden was trying to fix other people’s errors. I don’t hold him responsible for that.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. The death percentages as it relates to the two Presidents given the fact Biden had a vaccine and improved treatment regiment invalidates your entire argument. Credit to the mental gymnastics though. Biden’s words are his words. Disqualify them both and we all win in the end
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No I did not, because if the situations were reversed then Trump would have had the vaccine. And of course Biden made no qualifications about what would happen in the future. He didn't know what would happen. What I'm saying is it is not a good comparison of a self hanging mechanism for Biden compared to Trump, Criminal President(felony)/How president performed against threat of virus doesn't compare.
And controlling the virus had a lot more mechanisms in play than Hillary's actions vs Trumps. You had the entire world's actions, the actions of every government, the action/reaction of the virus to medication, etc. Many less actors in the Hillary/Trump world of actors. Actually a macro vs micro comparison.
I simple stated Biden’s own words. Was it a reckless politically motivated statement which in the end came back to bite him in the ass…absolutely. Comparing the death toll percentages between Biden and Trump and not mentioning the vaccine and improvement in treatments was disingenuous imo. I assume in hindsight you would agree?
This entire trial and the consequences are not surprising. I don't mean the verdict. Regardless of the verdict one group would be pissed off.
Not surprisingly some Trump supporters are calling for a Civil War and saying this is the trigger for it. Had he been innocent half of the cities would've been set on fire.
Will we all realize our current political issues our out of control? I don't mean those on here I mean in the country itself.
Not surprisingly some Trump supporters are calling for a Civil War and saying this is the trigger for it. Had he been innocent half of the cities would've been set on fire.
Will we all realize our current political issues our out of control? I don't mean those on here I mean in the country itself.
I thought the remark was before Biden was president, before the vaccines came out, etc. Maybe I am confused, but I thought this was on the campaign trail for the 2020 election that you were dropping the quote.
I believe the quote was in late October of 2020. Not sure how it changes Biden’s statement or the Covid death numbers from 2020, 2021 and 2022.
Number of COVID-19 deaths U.S. 2020-2022 | Statista
In 2020, there were around 384,536 deaths in the United States caused by COVID-19, compared to 462,193 COVID-19 deaths in 2021.
www.statista.com
I know that my previous responses were brief and glib. I hate typing on smartphones.
Now that i have a keyboard and some time, let me say that the concepts of selective prosecution, over-charging crimes and jury contamination are legitimate ones. I just cannot bring myself to care a whiff about them in this context.
Perhaps an example will help convey my feelings. I am 100% against the death penalty. I see no purpose to it in our modern society, and the risk on even putting 1 of 1,000 persons wrongfully to death more than justifies putting the death penalty away forever. But you will never see me worked up about a case where a serial killer has been caught red handed and given a death sentence. That's not the case I am going to jump on to emphasize my views, because I frankly don't feel too passionate about advocacy in that circumstance.
I am feeling the same way about Trump's conviction. I believe firmly that he is a dangerous con artist/cult leader that has somehow enchanted nearly half of America and appealed to their basest impulses. It is hard for me to care too much about the various issues raised in this exchange in the context of Donald Trump. It leads me to a bit "whatever."
Let me also say that during my lifetime there have been countless politicians prosecuted for crimes and I would bet just about as many Democrats as Republicans have faced this fate. So, so many. Heck, even now we have a Democratic Senator on trial. I don't think that Republicans are generally under attack by the judiciary or prosecutors. There are a lot of ugly folks who aspire to and who gain political power and party seems to have little to do with it.
It all kind of leaves me cold at this point. And with Trump, it couldn't have happened to a better guy, warranted or not.
Now that i have a keyboard and some time, let me say that the concepts of selective prosecution, over-charging crimes and jury contamination are legitimate ones. I just cannot bring myself to care a whiff about them in this context.
Perhaps an example will help convey my feelings. I am 100% against the death penalty. I see no purpose to it in our modern society, and the risk on even putting 1 of 1,000 persons wrongfully to death more than justifies putting the death penalty away forever. But you will never see me worked up about a case where a serial killer has been caught red handed and given a death sentence. That's not the case I am going to jump on to emphasize my views, because I frankly don't feel too passionate about advocacy in that circumstance.
I am feeling the same way about Trump's conviction. I believe firmly that he is a dangerous con artist/cult leader that has somehow enchanted nearly half of America and appealed to their basest impulses. It is hard for me to care too much about the various issues raised in this exchange in the context of Donald Trump. It leads me to a bit "whatever."
Let me also say that during my lifetime there have been countless politicians prosecuted for crimes and I would bet just about as many Democrats as Republicans have faced this fate. So, so many. Heck, even now we have a Democratic Senator on trial. I don't think that Republicans are generally under attack by the judiciary or prosecutors. There are a lot of ugly folks who aspire to and who gain political power and party seems to have little to do with it.
It all kind of leaves me cold at this point. And with Trump, it couldn't have happened to a better guy, warranted or not.
Exactly… I can’t be the only one who is thinking , “ are these two really the only candidates we have to vote for “ both of them are idiots, and are both criminals for that matter
Unless the appeal process can be expedited to the Supreme Court, the damage has been done by weaponizing the justice system for political gain. This case was never about holding Trump accountable for legit crimes (which does not exist), it was about giving the Democrats the greatest in-kind campaign contribution ever, the right to call the opposition a convicted Felon to sway the key Independent voters. This has to rank as one of the worst abuses of the justice system against anyone, let alone the leading candidate for the Presidency.
Simply put it was a "progressive" Soros DA delivering erroneous charges to a hand pick Judge (given all Trump related cases) tasked with steering a Jury (from deep blue pool) to convict the leading candidate for the Presidency and derail his campaign.
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All of the evidence available to this prosecutor and all of the evidence admitted in the trial was available in 2018.
Prosecution did not commence until shortly after he announced he was running for the 2024 nomination for President.
Why?
Prosecution did not commence until shortly after he announced he was running for the 2024 nomination for President.
Why?
There is an intent issue here. The IRS prosecutes people all the time for taking unwarranted deductions.
GTFOH.
Good lord.
Donald Trump has nothing to do with and no control over when a prosecutor convenes a grand jury.
The IRS would have imposed hefty penalties and interest for a single case of claiming an erroneous business expense. WTH are you talking about here? The bar for the IRS to file felony charges is quite high. Their primary goal is still revenue collections.
and two federal jurisdictions said there was nothing. the state of NY created charges just for the ocassion.
I'm just glad that Trump is finally recognizing the importance of Nov 5. It always has been, and always will be my passed away mother's birthday. I'm just glad Trump is now admitting it's significance. Now I just want him to admit the significance of Nov. 3rd. That is the birthday of my father.
Mentioning the vaccine is only valid if you also mention the ludicrous anti-vaxx resistance to the vaccine itself and any federal vaccine mandate…. Biden couldn’t force stupid conservatives to save themselves.
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So the prosecutor was supposed to prosecute a sitting resident without interaction from the (biased) congressional impeachment process?
I heard a good line the other day…
“If you had a gun to your head and were forced to choose one of the candidates… which one would it be?”
“The gun would go off”
Pretty horrific numbers for Biden considering only 15% of American adults had not been vaccinated as of December 14, 2021 compared to 100% during Trumps tenure. Wonder how many thousands of deaths Biden was directly responsible for as the result of him stating vaccinated people couldn’t contract Covid
. I propose a significant reason for those dismal death numbers in 2021 and 2022 despite vaccinations and improved treatment regiments was the false narrative being pushed that masks provided significant protection against contracting covid. There was zero evidence suggesting areas with high mask usage had a significant lower infection rate than areas with low usage. This narrative led to millions of at risk people going out into public and otherwise taking part in activities they would likely avoided without the assurances being thrown out by the federal government.
Hopefully both Biden and Trump will keep their word. We need new leadership. I still laugh at Biden trying to enforce an unconstitutional vaccine mandate at a time when the vaccine didn’t prevent Covid and the morons who supported such a precedent
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I doubt the # was high, considering those contracting it with vaccination were generally less serious cases.Pretty horrific numbers for Biden considering only 15% of American adults had not been vaccinated as of December 14, 2021 compared to 100% during Trumps tenure. Wonder how many thousands of deaths Biden was directly responsible for as the result of him stating vaccinated people couldn’t contract Covid
Number was from CDC
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that as of December 14, roughly 85% of adults ages 18 and over in the United States had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine but 15% remained unvaccinated.
