Official Frank Haith discussion thread

[Gmoney4WW]

Here's what puzzles me about Haith. It seemed like when he was coaching Manning's players, he had a pretty good Idea about what their strengths and weaknesses were and how to make the best of it. He was fairly successful with a team that didn't shoot very well.
Now, he doesn't seem to be able to figure out the same things about the players he recruited. He has said as much on the radio show when asked about his substitutions.
I agree with the poster who said let's see how the season plays out, but if it doesn't get a lot better than it is now I think TU has to figure out whether the short term cost of letting him go outweighs the long term cost of keeping him around.

Big factor is the short term cost of letting him go eliminates the thing about the long term cost of not letting him go.

And if they would or could let him go how much do you think they would spend on the new guy? It ain't gonna be 1.3mil. It'd probably be 6 or 800k, my bet is closer to 600k. Careful you might get what you ask for. Then we'd be considered jr league for halving our salary. He won't be fired after this season.

 

[astonmartin708]

I think the most likely scenario is his contract isn't renewed or he's let go midway through his last contracted season. Which would be the 2019-2020 season (???)

It's not looking like any of the guys he has coming in at the moment are going to push us to the elite level that a lot of us desire to return to.

 

[astonmartin708]

If Gragg extends his contract without him achieving multiple NCAA births it could turn out to be the second worst move in program history; next to extending Wojcik.

 

[goldenhurricane2]

If Gragg extends his contract without him achieving multiple NCAA births it could turn out to be the second worst move in program history; next to extending Wojcik.

I wouldn’t plan on seeing a contract extension until we make the tournament... if things really don’t work out, he’ll be let go season after next (end of his contract). But I know he has not been given an extension.

 

[aTUfan]

Wasn't he about to get fired at Missouri when we got him?

 

[TULSARISING]

Wasn't he about to get fired at Missouri when we got him?

Yes, that's why I never understood the hire

 

[astonmartin708]

It was almost exactly the same as Travis Ford moving from OSU to St. Louis. 3 years left on his contract, leaving a bunch of money on the table.

 

[tupatsfan]

Travis Ford was fired.


It's called research.

 

[astonmartin708]

Travis Ford was fired.


It's called research.

No, the sides "mutually parted ways". Much the same language that came out of Mizzouri.


Oklahoma State and basketball coach Travis Ford have mutually agreed to part ways.

Rampant speculation evolved into reality Friday, with sources telling The Oklahoman the decision had been made Friday afternoon and OSU confirming the move in a release early Friday evening.

After eight seasons and with three years and $7.2 in guaranteed salary still remaining on his contract, Ford failed to survive following OSU's worst season in three decades and amid rapidly dwindling fan support.

There was very little difference.

 

[tupatsfan]

Well, I’ll eat that crow..

 

[lawpoke87]

The only “mutual” agreement in the OSU - Travis Ford divorce was the buyout. He was told his tenure at OSU was over and the lawyers then worked on a buyout.

 

[aTUfan]

Does that make us the stuckee?

 

[astonmartin708]

The only “mutual” agreement in the OSU - Travis Ford divorce was the buyout. He was told his tenure at OSU was over and the lawyers then worked on a buyout.

That's fair enough. But that was certainly what was written on the wall with Haith at Mizzou. They were ecstatic that they didn't have to pay out his contract.

 

[drboobay]

And then they went and made an idiotic hire.

 

[Gmack22]

UNTIL The University of Tulsa changes their entrance requirements for athletes we will be mediocre.

 

[goldenhurricane2]

UNTIL The University of Tulsa changes their entrance requirements for athletes we will be mediocre.

Don’t hold you breath on that one...

 

[tupatsfan]

I'm so sick of hearing people blaming the entrance requirements. You sound like a former football coach who was recently fired...

 

[astonmartin708]

And then they went and made an idiotic hire.

True.

 

[aTUfan]

UNTIL The University of Tulsa changes their entrance requirements for athletes we will be mediocre.

Duke, Stanford, Georga Tech . . . Etc

 

[URedskin54]

UNTIL The University of Tulsa changes their entrance requirements for athletes we will be mediocre.

What are these stringent entrance requirements that I’ve never heard of? Outside of JUCO transfer credits we’re no different than anyone else as far as I know

 

[goldenhurricane2]

What are these stringent entrance requirements that I’ve never heard of? Outside of JUCO transfer credits we’re no different than anyone else as far as I know

They are the same as they are for normal students. The athletes don’t get special treatment with lowered entrance requirements like a lot of schools.

 

[Barlass]

This thread is a massive waste of bandwidth.

 

[URedskin54]

They are the same as they are for normal students. The athletes don’t get special treatment with lowered entrance requirements like a lot of schools.

Pretty sure the same HS football/basketball player that gets into OU/OSU gets into TU

 

[tupatsfan]

This thread is a massive waste of bandwidth.

Agreed. A massive facepalm.

 

[astonmartin708]

I'm pretty sure everyone just goes by the NCAA minimum requirements in regards to HS recruits.

BTW, with us having 3 JUCO kids committed right now... who wants to put odds on the possibility that at least one of them never sees campus due to Tulsa's DUMB credit transfer requirements?

 

[Gmoney4WW]

This thread is a massive waste of bandwidth.

Agreed. A massive facepalm.

Making good use of brand new/but old emoticons.

:lock: it and throw away the bandwidth key.

 

[TULSARISING]

Making good use of brand new/but old emoticons.

:lock: it and throw away the bandwidth key.

Very few people want Haith to stay, look at the attendance, the city of Tulsa has spoken. And before you say it, yes I know TV scheduling hurts as well, but think about it, was it this empty his 1st 2 years? No, now it's because of the product

 

[goldenhurricane2]

Very few people want Haith to stay, look at the attendance, the city of Tulsa has spoken.

Everyone who is going to agree with you, at this point, has... you’re not going to change any minds. Give it a rest.

 

[TULSARISING]

Very few people want Haith to stay, look at the attendance, the city of Tulsa has spoken.

Everyone who is going to agree with you, at this point, has... you’re not going to change any minds. Give it a rest.

You or anybody else who disagrees with me or the others does not have to keep up with the conversation, just ignore it if you don't agree.

 

[tupatsfan]

Attendance right now is bc the city of Tulsa is LAZY..I can assure you people aren't sitting around protesting Haith or trying to make a point. Do we REALLY need to cover this again? Very few coaches in here would bring the fans out in droves at this point. Times have just changed.

 

[goldenhurricane2]

You or anybody else who disagrees with me or the others does not have to keep up with the conversation, just ignore it if you don't agree.

You need to start a private chat with tugrad06, bigzit, originaltulsafan, and pokenmike... that way you can all just talk non-stop trash on TU to your hearts desire.

 

[astonmartin708]

Attendance right now is bc the city of Tulsa is LAZY..I can assure you people aren't sitting around protesting Haith or trying to make a point. Do we REALLY need to cover this again? Very few coaches in here would bring the fans out in droves at this point. Times have just changed.

But the people of Wichita Kansas are just sooooooo much less "lazy". Them selling out a 10k seat arena couldn't be due to the fact that they're winning at a high clip and paying their coach a big boy salary to do so.

 

[goldenhurricane2]

But the people of Wichita Kansas are just sooooooo much less "lazy". Them selling out a 10k seat arena couldn't be due to the fact that they're winning at a high clip and paying their coach a big boy salary to do so.

Have you talked to people from Wichita? They are so much more proud of their city that people from Tulsa are... plus having Charles Koch doesn’t hurt.

 

[TULSARISING]

You need to start a private chat with tugrad06, bigzit, originaltulsafan, and pokenmike... that way you can all just talk non-stop trash on TU to your hearts desire.

Not trash talking TU, I love TU and want it to succeed, there is a difference between trashing a university and wanting a change so it can compete at a high level.

 

[TULSARISING]

Attendance right now is bc the city of Tulsa is LAZY..I can assure you people aren't sitting around protesting Haith or trying to make a point. Do we REALLY need to cover this again? Very few coaches in here would bring the fans out in droves at this point. Times have just changed.

I will agree that Tulsa can be a fickle place for sports teams, that is why it is CRUCIAL to compete at a high level or we will start to only have 500-1500 people show up for a game. Don't you remember when Shaq and Juice were juniors and seniors? The gym was not sold out, but we had a very respectable crowd. Now it's laughable because we get beat by teams like Lamar at home.

 

[Claudrail1990]

Wow

 

[cmullinsTU]

Have you talked to people from Wichita? They are so much more proud of their city that people from Tulsa are... plus having Charles Koch doesn’t hurt.

Yeah Wichita isn’t a great example because they support Wichita St as their university. Most Tulsans think of Tulsa (the school) as snobs. A more accurate comparison would be SMU or TCU.

Both struggle with attendance unless they have a huge name and winning massively.

If we hire a Larry Brown like name or are ranked in the Top 25 we’ll fill up the arena.

 

[Claudrail1990]

Haith supporters here?! Lol who ever would of thought. Empty gyms bad basketball and a over priced coach. Stay loyal blue and gold lol

 

[goldenhurricane2]

Haith supporters here?! Lol who ever would of thought. Empty gyms bad basketball and a over priced coach. Stay loyal blue and gold lol

Solid first posts. Felt the need to make a new account just to dog on TU. Congrats on that.

 

[goldenhurricane2]

Yeah Wichita isn’t a great example because they support Wichita St as their university. Most Tulsans think of Tulsa (the school) as snobs. A more accurate comparison would be SMU or TCU.

Both struggle with attendance unless they have a huge name and winning massively.

If we hire a Larry Brown like name or are ranked in the Top 25 we’ll fill up the arena.

This is accurate. TU,unfortunately, is not Tulsa’s team like one would assume. WSU is Wichita’s team through and through.