I'm not a lawyer, but I would think/hope that breaking a medical quarantine would be its own criminal statute. But if that isn't a thing (it ought to be), then I would think reckless endangerment might fit.
Corona virus prevention
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Are you serious? You think a city/state/country government would voluntarily kneecap their entire industrial output because they like everyone staying in their houses against their will? You really are a bit paranoid... Besides that, there is such a thing as internet and international media that would tell you if deaths and such are on the wane.
If you don't trust any of that, not the WHO, not the CDC, nor any number of other virology experts who have no stake in a government power grab that have worked tirelessly and dedicated their entire careers to helping people and studying exactly these kinds of situations, then there is really not much else to say.
Im not paranoid.. i just dont trust an organization who's entire purpose is to grow in power and size...
I am a lawyer and I have no idea if such a law exists
If one does hopefully the penalties are stiff enough to prevent people from breaking it. One of the things which concerns me about this crisis is American's attitudes toward being able to do what they want to do. I realize there is a balancing act from our government as far as taking the necessary steps to slow the spread and creating a mass panic situation. I assume they will conduct most of their efforts behind the scenes while issuing calming statements publicly. Hopefully large treatment and isolation facilities are currently being obtained and equipped. I think we all know what's coming.I bet you can't imagine how Trump is flipping out now. In public he is as calm, cool, and collected as he can be. In private, as a germophobe, he's gotta be flipping out.
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Initial results from Gilead's Remdesivir drug trial in Japan seem to be positive. The stock (GILD) popped on the initial news. There are about 6 trials going on in the US and Asia. Better results available in April. As these are phase 3 trials of an existing drug, it would be much closer to market than a new drug.
Question for those more informed than I:
I mentioned previously that I'm in a wedding here in a couple weeks. The bride and groom are trying to decide if they should cancel/move the wedding date (at high cost to them). Should they?
I mentioned previously that I'm in a wedding here in a couple weeks. The bride and groom are trying to decide if they should cancel/move the wedding date (at high cost to them). Should they?
I would say they should hold their wedding but not expect the same kind of attendance they might have initially planned.
Agree with the caveat that I expect a lot more cases in three weeks. Maybe by a factor of 20 or more. This is going to get much worse before it begins to improve.
Agreed. Depends on their personalities and such and if they have their hearts set on a big wedding. If that is the case, I would delay. But otherwise, maybe send out a mailer saying that there are absolutely no hard feelings if people pull a no show and that they release everyone from their rsvp. A lot of excess food, sure, but cheaper than rescheduling...
Edit: and I would expect a ton of people to leave right after the ceremony and not got to the reception...
Thanks for your replies. Day by day it’s looking more and more like that decision will be made for them. And I kind of wonder contractually what kind of obligation they’re under to hold the wedding if they believe there is no way to have a safe event. All those contracts say something to the tune of “if the hotel cancels you get a refund, but if you cancel you still owe the minimum(which is quite high). But I wonder if this is a unique enough event that it wouldn’t apply. I’m not a lawyer so?
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If the venue is in the City of Tulsa and they’re expecting anywhere close to 250 people then they should have an out.
Btw their hotel venue still is not willing to work with them to move the date until Austin/TX officially bans gatherings over 100 people. The Driskill Hotel is an abysmal excuse for a “hospitality” business.
That really sucks. They are probably fearing going out of business since our illustrious leadership has offered few solutions.
There are few good options left. Schools are cancelled across the country. Colorado and New Mexico have suspended ski operations during Spring Break. If something like that isn't an extenuating circumstance worthy of consideration of waiving cancellation fees, then nothing is. I hope for their sake the governor issues an order soon.
I just found out this morning that there is a nurse at the hospital here that very likely has it. She works at three different hospitals, all part time and has been treating patients all over the place. She has all the symptoms and has tested negative for flu and strep. She has been unable to get a COVID test, naturally. My wife will have to pick up her shifts, and since the daycare is closed, I will have to be home with the kids a lot the next few weeks and burning all my sick/vacation leave.
There is no excuse left whatsoever for not having hundreds of tests on the ready for not only the nurse in question, but everyone of her patients, co-workers, and family. We at least need to understand the scope of what we are dealing with.
It’s also good practice to routinely check your temperature with thermometer, especially before leaving the house. If, God forbid, someone does come down with it, it is best to catch it early & to keep from spreading it to others.
Clearly more than we have?
My wife told me just this evening that our hospital here in town has still received zero test kits. Zero. So more than that would be good.
How South Korea Scaled Coronavirus Testing While the U.S. Fell Dangerously Behind
https://www.propublica.org/article/...-testing-while-the-us-fell-dangerously-behind
Update: mixed results so far. Trials continue.
https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/03/13/gilead-coronavirus-covid19-clinical-trials/
Send in the national guard and make sure everything unnecessary is closed. Impose curfews. Impose fines for breaking such curfews.
So how did it end? Were they able to get a refund? I'm currently in a similar battle with my daycare, who's holding my $2000 deposit hostage while also refusing to provide care since I'm not an essential worker.
Dang, that sucks. Mine is not charging me until they reopen, and even refunded my account for the time in March we couldn’t use. Guess I was lucky, they are normally super stingy. Good luck!
They eventually agreed to allow them to reschedule, but only after it became clear that events over 50 people would be banned in Austin. Up to that point they were going to force them to either cancel and pay the minimum(tens of thousands of dollars) or put their families at risk. The groom’s mother has an autoimmune disease and takes immune suppressing medication. It was gross the choice the hotel was going to force them to make.
Sucks to hear that man. What are the terms around your deposit?
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Even for the Driskill, which squeezes every penny out of you they can, that’s pretty low. Glad to hear they could reschedule at least. We were supposed to be at a baby shower today for my brother and his wife. That one’s a little harder to reschedule.
My contract states that I need to give 60 days notice or I lose the deposit. Needless to say, there’s no global pandemic clause. It’s not exactly airtight language, but what am I gonna do? Threaten to sue a daycare?
It’s an industry with a truly captive audience. Almost all of us with kids need it. Most places have a waiting list. They can charge pretty much whatever they want. And they’ll make up rules as they go. Thank the director of your place, @Clong83a, because I don’t get the sense that most places have been that generous.
My contract states that I need to give 60 days notice or I lose the deposit. Needless to say, there’s no global pandemic clause. It’s not exactly airtight language, but what am I gonna do? Threaten to sue a daycare?
It’s an industry with a truly captive audience. Almost all of us with kids need it. Most places have a waiting list. They can charge pretty much whatever they want. And they’ll make up rules as they go. Thank the director of your place, @Clong83a, because I don’t get the sense that most places have been that generous.
Sometimes the threat is what it takes, but I understand your hesitancy. It’s not quite a large enough sum for you to make it worth the fight but for the day care it’s every person’s deposit combined that they’d have to return. They probably see no reason to budge. Still you would have hoped that not being able to provide the service you paid for would be enough for them to feel obligated to maintain a good relationship with you going forward
