Call me when he decides he has enough self control to have a business dinner without his wife.
Always nice to have the media on your side
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Don’t need Florida to fall back on… the entire southern caucus has totally sucked during this epidemic… It’s like God hates confederate flags or something. /s
Odd statement considering Florida has fewer deaths per capita than places like New York and New Jersey despite a much larger elderly population.
Which places are seeing those?The entire northeast is a covidshow right now with some places hitting record hospitalizations and deaths but it’s Florida that’s the problem. What a joke. The Florida obsession is unhealthy
That is a suspect statement. Also, NY’s death rates / hospitalization rates haven’t spiked anywhere near record levels (though cases have since Omicron)… go figure that they had a bunch of cases but fewer results because many got vaccinated.
I would say triple digit increases is spiking
NY COVID Hospitalizations Top 5,500 for 1st Time Since February; Admissions Among NYC Kids Soar
COVID hospitalizations are up by triple digit percentages in New York since Nov. 1, but the increases among one group in particular have officials most concerned.
www.nbcnewyork.com
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Are you under the impression that I don’t think vaccines work? Have you ever been to the north country? If both answers are no I don’t know what the point of your response is
New Hampshire and Maine. Other places where Delta is still prevalent like Delaware, Connecticut, and New Jersey are seeing hospitalizations rapidly accelerate.
Not sure why you posted a link that only confirms that Pence was nice to governors and ran meetings with agendas. But he did accomplish anything material? No, the response was a mess; 600K people died, and Trump made all the decisions. Frankly Pence's background as a talk show host was probably not the best preparation to run a national pandemic response, although he was photogenic and had good on-camera skills.
But a big tip of the hat for January 6. He took a big risk that may have destroyed his political future. We should all be grateful.
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Actually 402k died under Trumps watch. 440k have died under Biden and that number is growing. Over 1700 died together with a record number of new cases. BIden also has the benefit of a vaccine and a years experience with the virus. Pretty incredible.
WATU…Biden’s body count will soon be north of half a million. Yet I’ve not seen one negative post about his handling of the pandemic. Assume you’re waiting for the 500k milestone before you lay into him?
WATU…Biden’s body count will soon be north of half a million. Yet I’ve not seen one negative post about his handling of the pandemic. Assume you’re waiting for the 500k milestone before you lay into him?
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Meh. You have a very poor understanding of how the response was structured so it’s difficult to take your point of view seriously. Kushner’s role in the response pre-dated the Vice President’s involvement. Pence took over for Azar. Before that Azar handled the science and public health and Kushner handled the supply chain issues. Azar was a disaster who could not lead and fell back on his lawyer training and wanted to litigate everything. He fought with everyone. Kushner had the Wall Street and industrial connections. He focused on PPE and economic impacts. Pence was brought in to save face for Azar because they wanted stability and didn’t want him removed in a crisis. So Pence and Kushner briefed each other and consulted on overlapping roles. Pence handled the bureaucracy because that’s what he knew. Kushner dealt with the business guys and ran interference to free up the President and the Vice President. Birx looked good for TV and reassuring the housewives in the suburbs and she could get traction with the career scientists plus she was an Obama person so it looked like a national response. Pence needed her under him to translate and brief while he got up to speed. But he and Kushner were always separate. They knew what to bring to the President and what not to. And it worked as well as it could. Better than what we are seeing. I always laugh in these threads. In one thread Trump doesnt do anything but watch TV in another he is a power hog making all the decisions.
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Biden benefited from the vaccine and a year's experience however he was the one who suffered the most during the huge spike post election before the vaccines were broadly available to the public. (I know the earliest I could get mine was late March / April. My mom died in the big wave which started tapering at the end of February when the vaccine was just starting to become widespread. I remember this, because she was scheduled to get the vaccine the day she got sick. Remember those states that were trying to disallow mail in in November? Yeah... that December / January / February 2021 wave was largely the RNC's fault because they fought the measures that would have lessened the spread pre-vaccine. Then they sponsored a Covid / Insurrection party in January to top it off where their constituents could bring the virus home with them after they tried to overthrow the government.
How many KA Orders do they have up New York way? Oh, what's that? Zero? lol
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So you know nothing about either place. Outstanding.
I have been through some of the most racist places you can find in the south and even there you won’t find 1/3 to 1/2 of people in any town flying a confederate flag. Won’t find anything close to that in upstate NY either
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Biden is about to experience Covid numbers never seen in the US a year after his election and two years after the onset of Covid. With the numbers we’re now beginning to see he’s very fortunate this strain is rather mild. Just the ultimate failure in leadership one year in as we’re nearing 500k dead over the last 12 months…most of that time with a vaccine.
Over 300k new cases today and over 1800 new deaths. How can we possibly have those numbers two year into this thing? No plan or even clue on how to slow the spread. Just a sad state of affairs with piss poor leadership mixed in.
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Ok, Let's look at the graphs....I would say triple digit increases is spiking
NY COVID Hospitalizations Top 5,500 for 1st Time Since February; Admissions Among NYC Kids Soar
COVID hospitalizations are up by triple digit percentages in New York since Nov. 1, but the increases among one group in particular have officials most concerned.
New York had a pretty horrible start to Covid.... we can all agree about that. New York's Covid Deaths reached a 7 day average peak of 1K early in the virus before we knew how to treat it and long before we had vaccines. Probably helped along by your repeated qualm of mishandling elderly patients. After somewhat containing the virus, they had a small spike in deaths around 200 for the 7 day average in January 2021. Since then they haven't average more than 140 in any 7 day period despite the rise of Delta, though they will probably rise with Omicron due to the fact that it can more reliably break through double vaccinated people. I still doubt that they will suffer as badly as non-vaxed or low-vaxed states. Their Death Rate is 300 / 100K and that is when you account for the fact that they were hit hard early and they flubbed things early, but did have high vaccine adoption which helped them avoid the brunt of Delta.
Florida had 3 distinct waves, the worst of which being the most recent... which is funny because in other places with high vaccination rates and safer public health orders it was quite a bit more muted. Their death rate reached a peak 7 day average of nearly 400 many months after the vaccines were widely available. Overall their Death Rate is 289 / 100K which puts them 2 states away from New York, but they had the benefit of New York and other states' experience and the clear benefits of Vaccine Science which could have lowered their death rate significantly during Delta.
Ultimately, with Omicron, everyone is more or less back in the same boat unless they have boosters. But we're still trying to convince many R's to get the first shot not to mention a 3rd.
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The plan was for everyone to get the Vaccine! Some people, didn't want to listen to him (or the multitude of reputable doctors who were advising it) Then when he tried to enforce rather than suggesting, they threw a fit about their rights. What would you like him to do to convince them, buy them all a gun?
Man, it would be nice to see the death statistics split out by Party. I bet there would be a close to even split early in the Covid era with a slight skew to the D's.... and then when Vaccines became prevalent I would bet anything that the numbers have shifted way, way, way, right.
I wasn't saying that a third of any town flies the flag (even in the south) but to even insinuate that it's more common in upstate New York is just asinine. Yes, I'm sure there are some people in NY that have them... but c'mon man there's no way in hell.
If there was a personal association with Trump's administration, that fact ought to preface statements of this nature. Transparency is generally a good policy.
The messaging has been awful and inconsistent from the outset. You won’t get Covid or transmit it if your vaccinated. You might get Covid and transmit if your vaccinated. Ordinary masks aren’t effective. Masks are effective. Vaccinated people don’t need to wear masks. They do need to wear masks. Just a mess.
The least vaccinated demographic group continues to be the poor. Not enough has been done on the lower income communities regarding vaccine outreach. There has been zero programs pushing general health (exercise and weight loss). Countries with less obesity and general good health have performed significantly better with fatalities than their counterparts. We have failed here.
We’ve had two year to study those counties who have been successful in slowing the spread of this virus. We have implemented zero of their measures. You have been harping on these successful countries for almost two years. Another huge failure.
So now we have over 300k cases a day and over 1800 deaths a day. The result of the above inactions.
I've been to Eastern Washington multiple times, and while I will agree it has a conservative bend, no it does not have more confederate flags.
I don't disagree that the messaging has been poor; however, that doesn't excuse the fact that everyone with any brain has been telling people to get vaccinated. The problem hasn't been the messaging regarding masks being necessary or not, it has been people with large followings usually, conservatives / libertarians fishing for midterm votes or news ratings prefacing any comments on the vaccine with the statement "now I believe vaccination is a personal choice" despite the fact that they were vaccinated themselves.
The expectation broadly, across both party lines, should have been that vaccination was a civic imperative. I suppose the federal administration could have gone the straight propaganda route a-la the Draft and WWII instead of saying "listen to scientists instead of talkshow hosts" or social media pages.
As to the part the poor play, I think it funny for talk show hosts to say "talk to your doctor about this personal choice" when many poor Americans don't have a regular care physician nor do they have the extra cash to spend on a checkup to ask about the pro's and con's of a shot. As much as the messaging letting us down, the healthcare system at large has let us down.
We could have followed the European playbook that mandated vaccines for entry into large public gatherings bars, nightclubs, etc... Though I'm sure that conservatives would have fought that tooth and nail. It seems to have benefited places like the UK who have seen various spikes in cases but much smaller spikes in death counts.
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Conservative != confederate flags. I’m talking actual white supremacists. You’re not aware of their fairly sizable population there dating back decades?
I agree that conservatism doesn’t equal confederate flags… which is why I don’t believe that upstate New York which doesn’t have an extensive history of white supremacy but does have a history of conservatism is less likely to have confederate flags than places in the country that have long and storied history of racism and bigotry.
Not all conservatives as white supremacists but most white supremacists are conservatives. lol.
Your contention was that Eastern Washington couldn't possibly be that way, but Eastern Washington and parts of Idaho are known for being white supremacist havens more so than pretty much anywhere in the south. In the northeast there's an almost purely reactionary version of right wing politics that has virtually no defining attribute besides hating that lefties run everything and tell them what to do. Lots of things like flying the confederate flag just for the spite / reaction. There's a reason that back in the 2016 primaries Donald Trump cleaned up in the northeast and struggled more in much of the south.
That's a component of our culture. You can't change a large part of our culture in one or two years.
Google and Twitter periodically push out reports on internet activity related to the confederate flag sales, racist imagery interaction, etc. Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New York are always up in the Top 7. Martin Luther King called Chicago the most racist city in the nation. And if you've ever taken the train at rush hour and looked across the platform at who is waiting to go home in the other direction, he was right.
I don’t agree that the western (or northern) branches of conservatism have the same level of racial vitriol that is seen in many of the communities where you regularly see confederate flags… that’s not to say that they don’t exist in those areas, just that the attitude is different. For example I live in Wyoming which shares many common social positions with Eastern Washington and Idaho, and I never see confederate flags despite being surrounded by some of the most conservative people in the country.
Also, community purchasing statistics only show so much as many people who fly confederate flags in the south have had them for a very long time. What is troubling is that the statistics do show the rise in prevalence in areas which we shouldn’t see it. West Virginia is an ironic one considering the only reason that state exists is as a result of breaking away from the confederacy.
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Trying to be patient here….. Eastern Washington and Idaho are known for having large white supremacist orgs and settlements. I’m not making an earth shattering observation here. That stuff is well known. And those people are far different from your average Wyoming conservative.
I’m not saying that those places don’t have racists or racist groups… just that there are not as many or are they as largely populated as those throughout the south and surrounding areas.
Apparently you have to give him minimal citation, for him to admit he might have been wrong? Looks like eastern Washington, Idaho, Montana is a hot area to me.
I don’t consider SPL a reliable source on hate groups considering their decision to basically label any org to the right of DSA a hate group. They do collect some good info though
But that citation wasn't meant for you. I figure aston respects that organization. And comparatively to the South, it shows something.
Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame
An analysis by NPR shows that since the vaccine rollout, counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump have had more than twice the COVID mortality rates of those that voted for Joe Biden.
www.npr.org
The messaging around getting a vaccine is has been consistent and clear. But other messaging has often been confusing, an example is the current disagreement between the CDC and the surgeon general about those with Omicron going back to work in five days WITHOUT testing first. The confusing bits have been about how to balance personal freedoms with limiting contagion as new mutations come along. But the messaging about the value and efficacy of vaccination has been rock solid.
Except of course for people like Hunter Carlson who has had at least one anti-vaxxer on his show arguing against getting vaccines on 95% of his shows this year by one count. He shares Trump's big, loyal following and is harming followers and those they infect. If the war against Covid was a war against another country that had killed 800K Americans, he would be in prison.
Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame
An analysis by NPR shows that since the vaccine rollout, counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump have had more than twice the COVID mortality rates of those that voted for Joe Biden.
Vaccines will have an impact but I always find it funny that these articles come out right after a seasonal wave in the south but not right after a seasonal wave in the north. This article has been written 50 times already if you remove the word vaccine. Plus, given the more working class demographics of heavy Trump counties it wouldn’t be unexpected to see higher death rate regardless. They’re more likely to be obese, older, and in poorer health in general.
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I had already looked at that previous to getting into the conversation with Redskin, I actually agree that SPL is broad in their definition of hate groups. (And that’s a good thing) not all hate groups they’re tracking tend to be strong confederate sympathizers.
