Oh come off it man. I’m having fun. Trying to be light hearted about the stupidest people in America disproportionately voting for the worst candidate in US history and trying to steer us all right into an iceberg.
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2024 Election prediction/discussion
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You aren't being light, you are being annoying. Your comprehension of light is something else. You post something you think is funny for 3 or 5 posts in a row, and whatever. But after the 13th post, let it go. You have been on this schtick for nearly 30 posts now. It got old around the second post.
Oh, I’m going to keep on it for quite a long time.
These people need the positive reinforcement to show themselves just how intelligent their opinions really are. They deserve to hear their brilliant thoughts being praised and being fedback and turned up to 11. I know that’s what they really want to hear anyway. I am going to agree with them until the cows come home….
Everyone loves the sound of their own voice after all…
Are they going to tell me to stop being so agreeable?
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Trying to get away from Aston’s unhinged tantrums and get this thread back on track. Trump won both Florida and Texas by 13 plus points. Why….Hispanics in increasing numbers are voting with the GOP. Do the Dems dial back some of their more extreme social positions in an attempt to get those voters to return to the Dems? I’ve seen multiple hosts on MSNBC suggest as much. Food for thought…beginning in 2032 a candidate will only need to carry the swing states of Ga, Nc, Zona and Nevada to win the presidency. The blue wall will be out of the equation.
The bottom line is you can’t win without money and center voters typically do not donate. And they rarely drive clicks.
The epitaph of Harris may very well read: Raised more faster and spent it quicker than any other candidate before her. Wasted almost a billion of that funding on messaging that persuaded no one.
The uncovered story in this election is how the Democratic platform supposedly says they want to end Republican dark money campaigns but more than half of all the money Harris personally raised came out of four or five PACs whose leadership and fund sources are anonymous. But that scam is its own thread.
Thats what made Barack Obama a unicorn. He was an ultra hard left candidate with enough charisma and earned media backing to appear both centrist and pragmatic. So he could collect small donations in droves. She simply didn’t have it, knew it, and didn’t try. We will likely see more of the same.
It is only a matter of time before Oklahomans vote on this. It will pass IMO and transform state politics much as it has done for Tulsa and OKC city politics.
Oklahoma group weighing open primary ballot initiative to increase inclusion, reduce divisiveness • Oklahoma Voice
Oklahoma supporters of open primaries are working on an initiative petition to let voters decide whether or not a massive change is needed.
oklahomavoice.com
I doubt it. The republican party won't let democrats or independents vote in their primaries and will fight this hard. Whereas the democrats don't mind if the independents want to vote in their primaries. The republicans will fight this with a passion. Seeing as how Republicans are massively the majority in this state, it probably won't pass if it ever came up for a vote.(which it probably never will, seeing as how said republican politicians won't even entertain the thought of putting it to the people.)It is only a matter of time before Oklahomans vote on this. It will pass IMO and transform state politics much as it has done for Tulsa and OKC city politics.
Oklahoma group weighing open primary ballot initiative to increase inclusion, reduce divisiveness • Oklahoma Voice
Oklahoma supporters of open primaries are working on an initiative petition to let voters decide whether or not a massive change is needed.oklahomavoice.com
I am an optimist at heart.
Fastest growing political registration in OK is unaffiliated. Unaffiliated plus Democrat make up about 45% of the electorate.
Nonpartisan elections already happen in OKC and Tulsa by referendum.
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Second fastest ? Based on registration it appears Oklahoma Dems are a dying party. I would expect independents to overtake them in the next five to ten years.
I was referring to the rate. The % increase over time.Second fastest ? Based on registration it appears Oklahoma Dems are a dying party. I would expect independents to overtake them in the next five to ten years.
I wonder what percent of these people who are registering independent would have registered Dem 20-30 years ago?
What’s unhinged about praising our shining beacon of fascismo? He convinced the Hispanics, the Jews, the African Americans! He has the most wonderful message! Everyone is getting on board with the new party!
This isn’t your grand daddy’s fascism. No sir.
This is different for…reasons!
Good point. So I haven’t done politics in Oklahoma for money, fun or the love of a neurotic woman since 1998.
So my numbers are fuzzy. But basically Oklahoma was 80/18/2 in favor of Dems from the New Deal until 1980. As demographics shifted and the World War II generation died off, that has slowly shifted away from Dems.
From 1980 through 2000, a fair portion of Republican voters in Oklahoma registered as NPA for social reasons. In short, your boss was a Dem. It very often had nothing to do with politics. You simply couldn’t call yourself a Republican in public and keep your job or have folks greet you after church.
It wasn’t until Donald Trump was in the primary in 2016 that Republicans became the majority party in Oklahoma by registration. Yet, independent voters have steadily grown, cutting further into what was once a supermajority for the Dems.
My sense is that those numbers are largely based on voter dissatisfaction with both sides, not one side.
As Oklahomans become dissatisfied with the extremes on both sides, you wonder if NPA will be the unofficial unorganized party of the center. And if that is a harbinger for the nation.
And also a sizeable number of public servants and military personnel who for official or unofficial policy reasons are registering as NPA for convenience.
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Republican raw number continue to grow and have the highest increase.
Unaffiliated have the highest rate of growth if you ignore the tiny Libertarian registration.
Democrats are adding voters but at a pathetic rate of growth.
Question will be whether we are heading to Repiblican plurality versus majority anytime foreseeable. Maybe. Maybe not.
I just don't know. Suspect there is also a growing rural versus urban divide in the state, though I've not looked at the numbers. I'd not be shocked if the cities proper of OKC and Tulsa were very competitive in the presidential election, based on how they vote in mayoral contests. But again - I am not studied in politics.
Agree. Looking at Tulsa County which has very few areas I would consider rural, Trump won by 15% compared to 34% statewide. I believe parts of the OKC area were even closer than that.
On a different note, how in 2024 can California only have 58% of the vote counted 3 days after the election? It takes Florida 3 hours to count 98%.
Dems let independents vote in their primaries because Oklahoma Independents are basically Dems that want to remain anonymous..
The only way your boss or the people at church would know your party, would be if you told them. Independents were a little bit up or down from 10% from the years 1980=2016. The republicans have been better at getting voters to the polls which accounts for us voting in republican Presidents.
One of my hard and fast rules in my company is political talk is prohibited. Our work force is probably 60-40 Pub if I were to guess
15.2% lead in Tulsa county for Trump, 1.7% lead in OKC. Much more liberal in OKC.
Bonus vote: 1.1% for Kennedy in both Tulsa & OKC
Proud to have been part of that 1.1%15.2% lead in Tulsa county for Trump, 1.7% lead in OKC. Much more liberal in OKC.
Bonus vote: 1.1% for Kennedy in both Tulsa & OKC
How can you vote for a bigger nut job than Trump? If he was a sort of ok candidate in comparison, that's one thing...
Just a protest vote resulting from having Harris and Trump as the candidates. I don’t disagree with you regarding RFK.
Differences in philosophy.
After 2000, Florida received considerable federal funding related to vote tabulation and improving the efficiency of voting. A two hour line to vote in Philly is a hassle. In Miami heat, with all its retirees, it literally kills people. Used to happen all the time. And still does sparingly.
So Florida has scanning technology that is the best in the country and legal infrastructure to support it. So lines are short.
People want to vote in person because it takes less than five minutes and there’s plenty of early voting locations.
California emphasizes a variety of methods to vote with the philosophy of the more options to vote, the more people will vote.
Because of infrastructure issues in CA like poor parking and extended commutes to and from work, CA voting by mail has increased rapidly the last thirty years and the laws and tech haven’t kept up.
For instance, unlike other states, Florida can process received mail in ballots as they arrive. They just can’t tabulate them. They can do all the things you need to do to verify that the vote should be counted, load it into the machine, and scan it. They just can’t tabulate. CA cannot do any of that. They start from scratch on election night and still count by hand in some smaller jurisdictions.
Florida law requires every mailed ballot arrive by the cob on Election Day regardless of when postmarked. CA requires it to be post marked by election day. Which means they must wait at least five days and sometimes longer if the post office tells them, to be certain every vote has arrived.
Mail in ballots hand delivered on Election Day, which is common, can’t be counted until the end of the day. And again, not every county has Florida’s scan technology so it can take days for CA officials to profile such a massive rush of mail in ballots, count them and certify the results.
I could go on.
“Kind of” ?Dang , you kind of lost yourdidn’t you ? 😂
City not County.15.2% lead in Tulsa county for Trump, 1.7% lead in OKC. Much more liberal in OKC.
Bonus vote: 1.1% for Kennedy in both Tulsa & OKC
That is my question. Of course the two things equate a lot better in okc due to its huge land mass.
It’s really hard for me to take anyone seriously who thought the vegetable , Joe Biden , was a great president, that guy was an embarrassment to all Americans , Republicans and Democrats
Three great Biden sins.
1. The second stimulus
2. Abandoning Afghanistan
3. Insisting to run for reelection
I have several other venial sins I will leave out.
They broke it down to county where I was looking. Most places you look, will break it down to county. If you don't include the suburbs in either place, it goes even more liberal. I am almost positive that OKC actually voted for Kamala. And Tulsa would have been much closer than, 15.2% even though the city probably narrowly elected Trump. I'm guessing it was a lot closer to a 5% margin than 15% in Tulsa city limits. But the county breakdown at least gives you an idea of how much closer it is, than the state margin.
You calling him a vegetable makes it obvious that you are callous to the situation, and suffer from an ageism bias. He was not showing any mental signs of aging when he was elected. And calling him a vegetable and disliking him for it is not right, no matter when it occurs. Let's see how you feel about it when you are 60 or 70 years old, future vegetable. You should be a little more self-aware. We all should work on that.
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3.) He fell prey to something we can all fall prey to, not fully recognizing the speed of his cognitive decline, and wanting to go on like he always had. Not good as a presidential candidate to run for reelection, but understandable. Do not go gentle into that good night.
The persons I fault mostly are his loved ones and close advisors, for not standing their ground, and insisting he become aware of his mental state compared to just months earlier. They should have been making notes when they first noticed it. And I'm sure they had lots of video footage that never made it on air, that should have convinced him, while he was thinking clearly. But I guess notbody showed him that. We need an age limit, which would have stopped him from running for a second term. Then us, future presidential candidates, & Biden won't have to worry about making that fatal mistake, because it will be illegal.
Forgive me for repeating old arguments, but we bring up the same subjects a lot, in the crossfire board.(as we do on most of the sports boards on here)
Good post. I would only add that the 25th amendment is the product of the Cold War. A time when we were hyper focused on national unity and all in agreement that the President should be hyper vigilant every second of his term on the defense of the country.
We appear to have lapsed into a malaise where it really isn’t important to project strength and unity from the Oval Office. America, including our leaders in Congress, seems quite comfortable not knowing who the hell is in charge as long as Social Security checks get mailed.
So since the 25th Amendment requires the Cabinet to initiate removal, and they will all potentially lose their jobs if they do, as will around 3,000 of their subordinates who will remain in politics and hate them for the rest of their careers, it appears going forward that unless a President is frequently totally incapacitated, but only temporarily, as Ike was, the 25th is a dormant clause now. Which is alarming.
Because it begs the question of whether Biden was totally incapacitated at times as Wilson was, and we never knew it.
I’m very curious to see if the dam ever breaks and we get a tell all book alleging the extent of his dementia and when it became obvious. It was a federal crime to hide it if it was hidden. I suspect we will have to wait until the statute of limitations runs before we know what really went on.
But as most people who have gone through this with loved ones know, the bottom can fall out in days or weeks for some folks, not slow decline over years.
Which might be more troubling, if the plan in advance was to elect him then have him resign if the bottom truly did fall out after it was too late to change.
I was watching an ex Obama advisor raging on Thursday that Biden was the worst President in history. His only goal was to stop Donald Trump. And Biden claimed he was the only one who could do it. And ultimately he was the cause of Trump’s return. He had one job and let his ego get in the way was the argument. Not sure I agree with that, but I found the melt entertaining.
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