2024 Election prediction/discussion

[TULSARISING]

I don’t normally post on Crossfire, but I went to lunch today and I just felt froggy. Harris lost this election by being Harris. She was not elected by the dems to be the nominee. She was selected because it was so close to the convention. I don’t think she has had an original thought or idea put out there in the media for us to hear. She put herself out there as the candidate for change but she is in the current administration. That looks bad on her. Her whole “campaign” was, IMO, a clone of Obama. The Democrat forever people voted for her an the people who hate Trump voted for her. Those that really didn’t care and the Trump supporters voted Trump. Her losing Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin is an indictment of her.

I didn’t vote for with of these two knuckleheads. I voted as a write in. After January 6th I was done with Trump. I can’t stand Harris so I couldn’t vote either. I do believe that they could have put a better candidate up there for the dems and they would have won except for Kennedy. I would have voted democrat if they did.

That’s what is truly sad, out of the whole country , these were our only 2 options ?

 

[astonmartin708]

I don’t normally post on Crossfire, but I went to lunch today and I just felt froggy. Harris lost this election by being Harris. She was not elected by the dems to be the nominee. She was selected because it was so close to the convention. I don’t think she has had an original thought or idea put out there in the media for us to hear. She put herself out there as the candidate for change but she is in the current administration. That looks bad on her. Her whole “campaign” was, IMO, a clone of Obama. The Democrat forever people voted for her an the people who hate Trump voted for her. Those that really didn’t care and the Trump supporters voted Trump. Her losing Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin is an indictment of her.

I didn’t vote for with of these two knuckleheads. I voted as a write in. After January 6th I was done with Trump. I can’t stand Harris so I couldn’t vote either. I do believe that they could have put a better candidate up there for the dems and they would have won except for Kennedy. I would have voted democrat if they did.

This tracks. Everyone needs an excuse for voting against our supreme leader. Make sure to keep your explanation handy when you report to the council.

 

[drboobay]

IMO, if that were the case, Harris would've won this election. Her campaign seemed to be based mostly on fear, propped up by numerous hoaxes. I think that backfired, as that is much harder to do in this day and age, where folks can look up full clips to see what a candidate actually said. Granted, there are still plenty of people out there that just believe what they see on social media and national news, but, obviously, enough folks did their research to see what was true and what wasn't. I think that was the difference in this election. Had the democrats ran Bobby Jr. or some other moderate liberal candidate with solid ideas for change, I think they would've had a very good chance of winning...by a lot.

I disagree Chris. Trump was all about fear and denigrating America. Harris was the one who stood up for America's greatness.

America is great now. Not perfect but not the cesspool Trump tried to say we are.

Sometimes I feel intensely confused how people see the world he describes. It makes me sad that others are so unhappy and I don't relate to it at all.

As to Kennedy, he is a total nut job. Trump is preferred! Kennedy would set back public health 100 years if given any real power. God help us if he is given such authority.

 

[Chris Harmon]

I don’t normally post on Crossfire, but I went to lunch today and I just felt froggy. Harris lost this election by being Harris. She was not elected by the dems to be the nominee. She was selected because it was so close to the convention. I don’t think she has had an original thought or idea put out there in the media for us to hear. She put herself out there as the candidate for change but she is in the current administration. That looks bad on her. Her whole “campaign” was, IMO, a clone of Obama. The Democrat forever people voted for her an the people who hate Trump voted for her. Those that really didn’t care and the Trump supporters voted Trump. Her losing Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin is an indictment of her.

I didn’t vote for with of these two knuckleheads. I voted as a write in. After January 6th I was done with Trump. I can’t stand Harris so I couldn’t vote either. I do believe that they could have put a better candidate up there for the dems and they would have won except for Kennedy. I would have voted democrat if they did.

Both parties absolutely could have put up better candidates, and that's a shame.

 

[HuffyCane]

Both parties absolutely could have put up better candidates, and that's a shame.

I saw the other day that Nikki Haley disclosed when she resigned from the Trump Administration that she had $15,000 in a checking account and was more than $1 million in debt, plus responsibility for her parents debts whose business was in foreclosure.

Her most recent disclosure includes as much as $30 million in net assets, a $5 million coastal home and yearly income of approximately $5 million from various corporate and consulting interests, not including speaking and publication fees.

Nancy Pelosi and Jerry Ford would blush. Bill and Hillary would call it an amateur effort,

 

[drboobay]

Prices rarely deflate, they just rise at a lower rate, and the economy spends a few years catching up to the cost in wages. The last time deflation happened with any great verve was the depression. Deflation doesn't even happen in a recession for the most part. It is avoided at all costs because of all of its negative consequences. We certainly don't desire a contraction in money supply.

The same arguments can be made against Trump. You aren't throating a true argument for or against one candidate because Trump doesn't have a good plan for the economy either. And Trump/Covid can be partially blamed for the inflationary period as well as Biden's policies.

It's not logic.

It is emotion and people's poor understanding of how the economy works.

 

[astonmartin708]

I saw the other day that Nikki Haley disclosed when she resigned from the Trump Administration that she had $15,000 in a checking account and was more than $1 million in debt, plus responsibility for her parents debts whose business was in foreclosure.

Her most recent disclosure includes as much as $30 million in net assets, a $5 million coastal home and yearly income of approximately $5 million from various corporate and consulting interests, not including speaking and publication fees.

Nancy Pelosi and Jerry Ford would blush. Bill and Hillary would call it an amateur effort,

No wonder she had to bend the knee to our glorious and brilliant leader. In the end we all will.

 

[drboobay]

No wonder she had to bend the knee to our glorious and brilliant leader. In the end we all will.

Naw. Hold your ground. I plan to.

 

[loca2874]

Both parties absolutely could have put up better candidates, and that's a shame.

Thousand percent agree

 

[Chris Harmon]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahajajajajajajajajaja.

Good one! You really had me going.

“Did their research” man you are funny. We need to get you on a stage.

I'm not sure why that's funny. If you aren't watching long-form content of both candidates, there is simply no way to be properly informed.

 

[HuffyCane]

Here’s an effective post mortem from a Pulitzer Prize columnist who is Never Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/donald-trump-defeat-democrats.html#

 

[Chris Harmon]

I disagree Chris. Trump was all about fear and denigrating America. Harris was the one who stood up for America's greatness.

America is great now. Not perfect but not the cesspool Trump tried to say we are.

Sometimes I feel intensely confused how people see the world he describes. It makes me sad that others are so unhappy and I don't relate to it at all.

As to Kennedy, he is a total nut job. Trump is preferred! Kennedy would set back public health 100 years if given any real power. God help us if he is given such authority.

It's fascinating to me how folks can see things so differently. I feel that social media and constant misinformation from all sides has made the political divide so much worse. Most Americans are moderates and lean one way or the other...they have much more in common than they think. But all the BS that is floated out there makes each side think the other is crazy. However, if you take the time to watch all candidates in interviews, debates, speeches, Q&A's, podcasts and anything else you can get your hands on, you see that many of the things said about all candidates is either embellished or just patently false. It is ruining our political discourse.

My point about Kennedy was more about running a more moderate liberal that could discuss issues and think on their feet. I personally would have loved to see Tulsi Gabbard on the democrat ticket. She was my favorite of the group in the 2020 primary.

The good thing for all of us is that we have a Constitution that established three branches of government to prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful. Those checks and balances are important when we end up with bad candidates.