I’ve talked for months that Harris was simply an awful candidate. She was awful in the 2020 primary and history repeated itself as it often does. Just a bad move by the Dems. Looking forward to national vote numbers tomorrow to see if the Dem defeat tonight was due to Pubs voting above 2020 numbers or Dems just not showing up to support a bad candidate.
2024 Election prediction/discussion
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I think he has been involved with politics. Too much arguing in politics. Too much trying to persuade people rather than doing real work
My political involvement has been in voting. My only political contribution ever was 10 bucks to John Kasich when he was running for President. That tells you what I think about politics.
Probably a little of each. It will likely be uneven across the country.
It will mostly be a lot of people who don’t really even consider who is running. The choice for them was between $5 for a dozen eggs or maybe not $5 for a dozen eggs.
Living in past bad times, not looking ahead.
In most instances you could interchange their names on the negative points you outline here, but what are you going to do with such wonderful choices in both parties? As I said before, living on inflationary experiences that are mostly over.
Ironic that Trump is being hailed as a savior of the economy when it was his pal Putin who caused the largest exacerbation of commodity prices which drove inflation…. What’s in this victory for Russia?
Let me know where I can go where housing isnt double what it was four years ago and I can get a gallon of milk again for $2.89. Inflation ain’t over. It’s plateaued. In only a few sectors. I went to Sonic the other day and they wanted $9 for a blizzard and asked for a tip in the drive through to defray their labor costs.
People are pissed. It’s that simple.
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This wasn’t a compelling argument in part because she was unable, and in some cases unwilling, to articulate any credible economic policy that convinced the American people that inflation wouldn’t rise even further. Indeed her only proposal was widely panned across her entire party as sophomoric and destined to fail. She spent the rest of the campaign hoping people forgot about it.
Well, predictions in the demise of the institutions of this country have been greatly exaggerated. Time and again, they have held the leadership accountable. The people did it today and they did it in 2020 and they did it in 1992 for that matter.
I’m sure Trump will fix that with his tariffs.
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Idiots. Go read a history book.
The American voting populous is incredibly reactionary and incredibly gullible. They want someone to blame their difficulties on regardless of the quality of the solutions put before them.
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You just helped elect A CONVICTED FELON who tried to violently overthrow the constitution and has an aversion to the truth to the Oval Office. One who was described by his own key aides and his own running mate as a fascist, who buddies up to the world’s worst dictators and who had 57/100 senators vote that he committed acts of treason.
The demise of the institutions of the government have not been exaggerated. This is the demise. You. You are the demise…. Because you and your ilk prey on simpletons to convince them that the economy is more important than America’s integrity. The real sad fact is that you yourself are not dumb…. You just care about winning the game more than you care about the country itself.
I trust your judgement of political character and policy about as much as I trust your judgement on coaches.
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I agree. But let me extend that to people in general. Not just Americans.
Someone please periodically check on Aston today
Oh. I’m fine. I’m smiling today. Angry sure, but I am now removed from every equation…. Now the Americans gullible enough to believe Huffy and those like him get to ‘Make America Great’ I’m going to sit back and watch them…Someone please periodically check on Aston today
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Who cares?!?! Clearly that doesn’t matter to you. You just got handed the keys to the car! Go take her out for a spin. I’m sure you’ll do great.😊
So how are you going to fix all of our problems?
I’m all ears.
Huffy is no fool. Intellectually he has shown his merit here often. He has not even been a Trump advocate prior to this election, preferring to observe and comment rather than persuade.
Biden’s approval rating was 15 plus points underwater. 3/4 of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. You manage to ditch Biden. Anyone have any insight on why you replace him with his inarticulate VP knowing those numbers? Could they not get away from the DEI choice ?
Upon reflection, I have just as often picked losers in my history as a voter.
Bush
Clinton
Dole (l)
Gore (l)
Bush
McCane (l)
Obama
This is the juncture where I changed my registration from Reoublican to unaffiliated.
Clinton (l)
Biden
Harris (l)
I still think I was right every time and that our country would be better off if everyone did what I did
Bush
Clinton
Dole (l)
Gore (l)
Bush
McCane (l)
Obama
This is the juncture where I changed my registration from Reoublican to unaffiliated.
Clinton (l)
Biden
Harris (l)
I still think I was right every time and that our country would be better off if everyone did what I did
Too late in the cycle. That simple. Biden bears a ton of responsibility for trying to run again.
You’re not alone. Only 32% of the electorate yesterday identified themselves as Democrats. I assume Republican ID is down as well though likely not to that extent. Personally, I’m glad to see signs we are growing weary of the two parties. If I can take a positive from yesterday it’s the thought that maybe we are beginning to hold our elected offices accountable.Upon reflection, I have just as often picked losers in my history as a voter.
Bush
Clinton
Dole (l)
Gore (l)
Bush
McCane (l)
Obama
This is the juncture where I changed my registration from Reoublican to unaffiliated.
Clinton (l)
Biden
Harris (l)
I still think I was right every time and that our country would be better off if everyone did what I did
I really like our open primary approach for Tulsa city offices. It has become more partisan but that is ok. No harm in people declaring their affiliations.
I would LOVE to see a similar system in place for state and national elections. Pretty sure there is an initiative petition underway at the state level where a similar system, but with party affiliations allowed to be listed, could get a vote. That is the sort of thing that would get Vote Yes signs in my yard. Probably a donation too.
We will know soon enough. The knives are already out as these people scramble to find jobs.
They are blaming a lot of it publicly on staff dysfunction. And that’s certainly possible. It took 30 years to retire all the know it alls from the Kennedy years. It’s looking like they needed to keep the government staffed and give the Biden campaign and presidential staff expectations of continuing into a second term, they needed Obama’s fundraising machine, Hillary’s ground game, and Harris had her own people who are notoriously difficult to deal with.
Normally you would spend 4 to 8 years getting your own fundraising machine and 2 to 4 building your ground game.
They had to Frankenstein something together and she made the most sense and offered the best stability and continuity as we wait to see if there is war in the Middle East or the economy tanks.
So underskilled candidate, no time, no continuity on the staff appears to be the early post mortem.
What will be really interesting is if there was contingency planning as her running if he died. And then the worst happened. He didn’t die, but wasn’t viable so they only had one Plan B and they went with it.
Looking at these numbers, you wonder if Obama or W on their best days could have won. I thought he could win narrowly and likely would. This wasn’t even close. People are pissed.
Prices rarely deflate, they just rise at a lower rate, and the economy spends a few years catching up to the cost in wages. The last time deflation happened with any great verve was the depression. Deflation doesn't even happen in a recession for the most part. It is avoided at all costs because of all of its negative consequences. We certainly don't desire a contraction in money supply.
The same arguments can be made against Trump. You aren't throating a true argument for or against one candidate because Trump doesn't have a good plan for the economy either. And Trump/Covid can be partially blamed for the inflationary period as well as Biden's policies.
Exactly.
i thought you said the inflationary experience is over. When prices don’t deflate, and wages remain static, for nearly all of America, the inflation isn’t over.
The market is up today on the news of yesterday’s election. However, interest rates are up as well. The issue of housing affordability continues to be a real problem and will likely get worse before it gets better.
Oh. I’m sure him and his buddies have everything figured out. “Trump will fix it” was a slogan I was seeing tossed around a few days before the election. How reassuring for me! Consider me a convert.
I have nothing to worry about. I’ll make sure to tell the girls dying in the hospitals for lack of care the same. Trump will save them! Praise Trump! Praise the Grand Ole Party! Everything is going to be okay for now we have Trump. 😁
I’ll make sure to tell the children in the schools to make sure they pray as hard as they can to the great leader so he will save them the next time their school goes into lockdown.
He will fix it.
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The GOP really is the party of inclusion. 😃It warms the cockles of my heart. And maybe the sub cockles….
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Oh yes they certainly did, Oberleutnant!
I’m just glad to know that Trump and his team of crack scientists are going to fix it all! Aren’t you excited!?!?
IMO, if that were the case, Harris would've won this election. Her campaign seemed to be based mostly on fear, propped up by numerous hoaxes. I think that backfired, as that is much harder to do in this day and age, where folks can look up full clips to see what a candidate actually said. Granted, there are still plenty of people out there that just believe what they see on social media and national news, but, obviously, enough folks did their research to see what was true and what wasn't. I think that was the difference in this election. Had the democrats ran Bobby Jr. or some other moderate liberal candidate with solid ideas for change, I think they would've had a very good chance of winning...by a lot.
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Good one! You really had me going.
“Did their research” man you are funny. We need to get you on a stage.
It is going to be interesting when interest rates go up and Trump demands the Fed lower rates because his properties might be underwater.
Fed has very little to do with interest rates on real estate. In fact, in the current environment mortgage rates would likely increase if the Fed lowered rates. Which is exactly what occurred last month.
Deregulation and tax cuts will always make business feel better…. No way we need to worry about consequences. Trump has it all handled! He has the best people!
I don’t normally post on Crossfire, but I went to lunch today and I just felt froggy. Harris lost this election by being Harris. She was not elected by the dems to be the nominee. She was selected because it was so close to the convention. I don’t think she has had an original thought or idea put out there in the media for us to hear. She put herself out there as the candidate for change but she is in the current administration. That looks bad on her. Her whole “campaign” was, IMO, a clone of Obama. The Democrat forever people voted for her an the people who hate Trump voted for her. Those that really didn’t care and the Trump supporters voted Trump. Her losing Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin is an indictment of her.
I didn’t vote for with of these two knuckleheads. I voted as a write in. After January 6th I was done with Trump. I can’t stand Harris so I couldn’t vote either. I do believe that they could have put a better candidate up there for the dems and they would have won except for Kennedy. I would have voted democrat if they did.
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