That’s what is truly sad, out of the whole country , these were our only 2 options ?
2024 Election prediction/discussion
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This tracks. Everyone needs an excuse for voting against our supreme leader. Make sure to keep your explanation handy when you report to the council.
I disagree Chris. Trump was all about fear and denigrating America. Harris was the one who stood up for America's greatness.
America is great now. Not perfect but not the cesspool Trump tried to say we are.
Sometimes I feel intensely confused how people see the world he describes. It makes me sad that others are so unhappy and I don't relate to it at all.
As to Kennedy, he is a total nut job. Trump is preferred! Kennedy would set back public health 100 years if given any real power. God help us if he is given such authority.
Both parties absolutely could have put up better candidates, and that's a shame.
I saw the other day that Nikki Haley disclosed when she resigned from the Trump Administration that she had $15,000 in a checking account and was more than $1 million in debt, plus responsibility for her parents debts whose business was in foreclosure.
Her most recent disclosure includes as much as $30 million in net assets, a $5 million coastal home and yearly income of approximately $5 million from various corporate and consulting interests, not including speaking and publication fees.
Nancy Pelosi and Jerry Ford would blush. Bill and Hillary would call it an amateur effort,
It's not logic.
It is emotion and people's poor understanding of how the economy works.
No wonder she had to bend the knee to our glorious and brilliant leader. In the end we all will.
I'm not sure why that's funny. If you aren't watching long-form content of both candidates, there is simply no way to be properly informed.
Here’s an effective post mortem from a Pulitzer Prize columnist who is Never Trump.
It's fascinating to me how folks can see things so differently. I feel that social media and constant misinformation from all sides has made the political divide so much worse. Most Americans are moderates and lean one way or the other...they have much more in common than they think. But all the BS that is floated out there makes each side think the other is crazy. However, if you take the time to watch all candidates in interviews, debates, speeches, Q&A's, podcasts and anything else you can get your hands on, you see that many of the things said about all candidates is either embellished or just patently false. It is ruining our political discourse.
My point about Kennedy was more about running a more moderate liberal that could discuss issues and think on their feet. I personally would have loved to see Tulsi Gabbard on the democrat ticket. She was my favorite of the group in the 2020 primary.
The good thing for all of us is that we have a Constitution that established three branches of government to prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful. Those checks and balances are important when we end up with bad candidates.
I think they selected the candidate they were kinda saddled with by Biden. I have thought about "What if they held an open convention and Pete Buttigieg or Getchen Whitmer emerged?"
I dunno that it makes a difference, as that also fractures the party with a potentially divisive and back room decision. Might have been better, but it's all armchair quarterbacking at this point.
She wasn't perfect, but was the probably the best hope with a badly floundering Biden campaign. If he had dropped out a month later, she might have pulled it off. Or (ideally) a year earlier, and allowed an actual primary to happen. If anyone is to blame, it's Biden himself for not being self-aware enough to realize he was in a fatal position of weakness a lot earlier.
But no hard feelings toward Harris. She was the candidate we had, not the candidate anyone really wanted. And that wasn't her fault. But she gave it her best shot and I have many of the same criticisms as you do. I voted for her because no matter how flawed she was, I saw Trump as an order of magnitude more flawed.
But as drboobay pointed out, people aren't necessarily rational actors and the general public can't easily look at inflation and say "Yeah, that sucks and hurts all of us. But the US actually did better than most countries on that, and was largely out of the control of any president." When people miss rent or go hungry or defer medical tests/procedures, they'll blame whomever is in power. Hard to blame them. Not terribly surprising, just disappointing.
My ideal candidate is someone like GT Bynum. A problem solver who is not too ideological. I saw that in Kasich too. Asa Hutchinson was a great option too.
Trump lost me 100% by his reaction to the January 6th riot. I did not like his leadership approach but his behavior that day disqualified him forever from my vote. He really showed himself and I can never forget it.
Political parties are pretty much fully transformed for the remainder of my lifetime. We have the fear mongers versus the abortion lovers. Both disgust me. So I expect to be unaffiliated until the day I die. I expect every Presidential vote I cast from here out will be for my judged lesser of two evils.
18 million less people did not vote. That is unbelievable. That is not a change election. People just didn't care.
Kamala got 15 million less votes than Biden in 2020
Trump got 3 million less votes than he did in 2020.
The republicans are basking in like they have some kind of huge mandate. I question that. People just didn't vote or thought it inconceivable Trump could win. The dems ran ahead of Kamala in virtually every race. People were not excited to vote for either of these people.
Kamala got 15 million less votes than Biden in 2020
Trump got 3 million less votes than he did in 2020.
The republicans are basking in like they have some kind of huge mandate. I question that. People just didn't vote or thought it inconceivable Trump could win. The dems ran ahead of Kamala in virtually every race. People were not excited to vote for either of these people.
Would be nice to have candidates that were not extremists . I am registered as an independent because both parties are corrupt imo. The closest thing I probably would be considered would be a blue dog Democrat ( pretty much when they were for the working class )
1). Your vote totals are off. Total turnout was only 1 million votes less than the record set in 2020. Considering that was a relaxed mail in vote year the number this year is beyond impressive. People certainly cared and voted. In fact, Trump will have received 10 million more votes than he did when he won in 2016.
Harris spend $1B for 226 electoral votes btw
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Oops I missed my first Presidential vote.Upon reflection, I have just as often picked losers in my history as a voter.
Bush
Clinton
Dole (l)
Gore (l)
Bush
McCane (l)
Obama
This is the juncture where I changed my registration from Reoublican to unaffiliated.
Clinton (l)
Biden
Harris (l)
I still think I was right every time and that our country would be better off if everyone did what I did
Mondale (l)
So I come in below .500 lifetime picking winners.
7 Democratic votes. 4 Republicans. The dems have run up the score in the Trump era. It was 4 each until he came along.
Anyone interested in a real recap on some of what doomed Harris in the final ~45 days, Candace Owen’s employs some excellent researchers who got to some of the stuff I’ve been called a conspiracy theorist over citing as part of Kamala curricula vitae … entertaining stuff wedged between it’s not just Michelle but Macron’s married to a trans man too… I’m sorry, a man pretending to be a woman (pc!)
Oh, to the men pretending to be women: you can stop pretending.
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