Very convenient for the WaPo to come up with that new policy because they don’t want to endorse Harris. That policy will quickly change back when the Dems field a quality candidate.
Who did the teamsters endorse ?
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2024 Election prediction/discussion
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Who did the teamsters endorse ?
Lol. Sure appears she’s struggling to convince Dems to turn out and vote for her though. If she matches Biden’s support with Dems she wins rather easily. Early voting has been a disaster thus far. Doesn’t mean she can’t turn it around but thus far she is exactly who we saw in 2020.
I tell people all. the. time. It isn't about convincing MAGA or extreme left which suck up the air and we talk about all the time.
The biggest growing party in America are the independent voters. That is who wins elections.
As we know, voters and absentee / mail in voters tend to lean Dem while day of tend to lean Pub. It’s not only about what the split is it’s how many people voted early / remote.
Have you ever considered that these organizations who traditionally do endorsements may not be doing so because the race is close and they fear retribution from one side if that side should happen to win?
Nationally, they endorsed no one. Several large locals are endorsing Kamala though.
A lot of teamsters are fed up with their Chief.
Early vote has been very positive for the Pubs. I assume they are largely using their ED advantage though. For example, Pubs now have almost a 400k advantage in early vote in Florida. In 2020 the Dems had an advantage headed into ED. Again….assuming it’s a change in tactics for the Pubs and they are voting early instead of ED. If not then Trump is going to win Florida by ten points.
Early voting numbers are available for most states. This cycle does not look like past elections. Pubs appear to either be voting in mass numbers early (likely) or there will be a huge Pub turnout (unlikely imo).
Could be. Covid did mess with the 2020 dynamics a lot in terms of mass assembly turnouts like you would see on Election Day. I think pubs are getting more comfortable with early / absentee voting as well.
No one here probably remembers me.
I posted a lot about softball for a while.
Before that I lurked and trolled on this board.
I was a troll because it was fun to poke at flames and then watch the sparks fly.
I quit because the entire pollical landscape changed.
What used to be all in good fun, was not fun anymore.
People starting getting actually mad, rather than taking it for what it was, sarcastic hyperbole.
I learned that there was a somewhat moderate republican, who used to post here a lot had become solidly democratic because of “hateful” comments from republicans.
I'm not narcissistic enough to believe that I caused that, I’m regret any small part I may have played in that.
Now I just lurk, and really don’t even do that very often.
Heck I don’t even follow college or professional sports much anymore because some of the same reasoning.
I first started following politics for the 1976 election, when I was in Jr. High. Heck, I remember voting in the Weekly Reader poll in 1972 in elementary school. The first presidential election I was old enough to vote in was 1984. I have voted for the republican every time, even when I had to hold my nose to do so.
I believe the last time I posted here was just after Trump won in 2016 saying a lot of the above but wanted to laugh at the melt down.
I said then I held my nose and voted for him, and anyone that thought he was going to be a good president was kidding themselves.
My opinion is that he did better than I expected.
Yes, I’m voting for him again. He’s just better than the alternative on the issues I care about.
No, I don’t want to discuss those. My reasons are my own, and you can think of it what you want, and you will. I can’t see that reasonable discussion will change your mind any more than trolling did.
With all that being said and in keeping with the OP that this was for predictions, the Real Clear Politics No Toss Up Map shows 312-226 Trump and has since 10/17.
That’s my predication, or real close to that, and Trump will win the popular vote majority.
I wanted to stop by and say that “publicly” so I can maybe stop by when the counting done say “told ya” in the least trolling way possible.
I posted a lot about softball for a while.
Before that I lurked and trolled on this board.
I was a troll because it was fun to poke at flames and then watch the sparks fly.
I quit because the entire pollical landscape changed.
What used to be all in good fun, was not fun anymore.
People starting getting actually mad, rather than taking it for what it was, sarcastic hyperbole.
I learned that there was a somewhat moderate republican, who used to post here a lot had become solidly democratic because of “hateful” comments from republicans.
I'm not narcissistic enough to believe that I caused that, I’m regret any small part I may have played in that.
Now I just lurk, and really don’t even do that very often.
Heck I don’t even follow college or professional sports much anymore because some of the same reasoning.
I first started following politics for the 1976 election, when I was in Jr. High. Heck, I remember voting in the Weekly Reader poll in 1972 in elementary school. The first presidential election I was old enough to vote in was 1984. I have voted for the republican every time, even when I had to hold my nose to do so.
I believe the last time I posted here was just after Trump won in 2016 saying a lot of the above but wanted to laugh at the melt down.
I said then I held my nose and voted for him, and anyone that thought he was going to be a good president was kidding themselves.
My opinion is that he did better than I expected.
Yes, I’m voting for him again. He’s just better than the alternative on the issues I care about.
No, I don’t want to discuss those. My reasons are my own, and you can think of it what you want, and you will. I can’t see that reasonable discussion will change your mind any more than trolling did.
With all that being said and in keeping with the OP that this was for predictions, the Real Clear Politics No Toss Up Map shows 312-226 Trump and has since 10/17.
That’s my predication, or real close to that, and Trump will win the popular vote majority.
I wanted to stop by and say that “publicly” so I can maybe stop by when the counting done say “told ya” in the least trolling way possible.
I’m going to call BS on this. If Bezos was scared of retaliation by Trump he wouldn’t have given millions to the Harris campaign. A meaningless newspaper endorsement is just that…meaningless. Bezos is simply hedging his bets by playing both sides now he sees Trump has a legitimate chance of winning. I assume he’s doing more than just squashing the endorsement. He realizes he may want “facors” over the next four years. It’s the smart play.
Still doesn’t change the fact that he is playing with the independence of the journalists he employs. It shows a lack of integrity
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It’s Bezo’s company. I suppose he can chose whatever direction he wishes. Like most large businesses I’m not surprised he’s playing both sides. Most do.
fake dossier
russian collusion
Mueller report
2 fake impeachment
x number of indictments,
only because he is the
opposition candidate
the fake jan6 hearings
media attacks
meanwhile:
hrc lost 30 emails
hrc had a "secure srever" in
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fbi withheld evidence from
hunters laptop.
Joe's financial ties to
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When did I say that ? Every media outlet in the world have boards which approve stories and content. Stories in the WaPo are as slanted towards Harris as any large paper in the country. The rub occurs when the federal government gets involved and starts dictating what speech they’re allowed to publish. Which is dangerous and direct violation of our constitutional rights. A violation which the left now seems perfectly fine occurring. A shocking departure from the party 60 years ago.
Last time the WaPo didn’t endorse a candidate….Michael Dukakis.
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Fear of retribution from leaders of the federal government is just as bad as the government dictating it. Just because one is tacit and the other overt does not make a difference.
They are fundamentally the same thing... you fear the consequences of speaking so you don't speak. Censorship.
In fact this form of Censorship is probably worse because it's not overt so it's harder to combat.
Stop. The WaPo has been running anti Trump pieces day after day for months. They are one of the most anti Trump outlets in the country. There is no fear there. Hell….look at todays articles
Trump winning the popular majority vote would be something else. He never has. He lost by 3 plus million in 2016 and 10 million in 2020. That is prior to his acting like a petulant child and trying overturn a election on January 6. The republicans have only done it 2 times since 1988. Bush II's second term and Bush I. That is 36 years.
They told us that the majority of the country hated abortion. They have all abandoned it, and Trump embraced it. "Let the states decide" If he is in front of evangelicals, he tells them he about giving them conservative judges and overturning roe. Now conservative states are putting abortion into their constitution. As a result, if Trump isn't in front of the southern Baptist convention or Catholics, he loves abortion. It's because he believes in nothing.
Aston…just read the article. Please point out where Bezo stated he decided not to endorse Harris out of fear of being punished should Trump when. I took your word without reading the story. Shame on me I suppose. Meanwhile, the WaPo continued their hit pieces on Trump without fear.
This scenario is currently playing out across the country. Dems simply aren’t getting out to the polls to vote for Harris. Similar to their support for her in 2020 primary. Now they still have a week to change the direction of their turnout but as of today they simply aren’t enthusiastic about their candidate. I know Aston has issues taking off the partisan glasses and looking at facts but if Harris loses it’s because she didn’t inspire the Biden 2020 Dems to turn out for her. No real explanation needed for these numbers
When would he, or anyone in a similar position, ever come out and say that. Because of that fear, that is something you do, but rarely if ever state. Your postulation that it is not true because it was not stated, is ludicrous on its face. The truth or not truth of that has nothing to do with it being stated. In fact, if he stated it like you are looking for, it would likely encourage Trump to go after him even more so than if he had not stated it. I don't get how you don't see this.
My postulation is that you don’t give money to Harris or run countless negative articles about Trump if you fear reprisal. This whole notion of the lack of endorsement for Harris out of fear is complete nonsense and not based on any facts. On the contrary, the evidence points to the exact opposite.
There’s a difference between a news article and a public endorsement, you know it.
Glad to know that I’m more of an enemy to this country than Kim Jon Un is, per the latest Trump interview. **** him.
Bezos wasn’t interviewed for the article. Point blank, his editorial staff wanted to, he did not. Which goes against his previous support for Dems and Kamala as you yourself have stated.
Why would he have a change of heart?
If you tell me it had nothing to do with the last time Trump screwed him over to the tune of 10 billion dollars I’ll call you a liar.
There have been multiple opinion pieces in the WaPo critical of Trump. Just stop this nonsense.
Growing tired of you blaming Pubs for the prospect of Harris losing. It’s the Dems who are abandoning her. Care to admit this?
Critical and outright endorsing his opponent over him is not the same thing. Many of Trump’s own allies have been critical of him….. he only tries to kill the ones who refuse to get on board.
He’s given over $1M to elect her. How much more of an endorsement do you want ? This entire conversation is ridiculous.
Well fine. Can we agree as of today compared to Biden in 2020 the Dems are not supporting her to near the level as Biden ? Math is math
Then why didn't you just say that, and not put that statement in your first post? Nice game going on. 😜
I assumed pointing out that Bezos has given millions to the Dems and his paper had run article after article and editorial after editorial aimed at electing Harris was enough
.I thought multi millionaires were only Republicans.I assumed pointing out that Bezos has given millions to the Dems and his paper had run article after article and editorial after editorial aimed at electing Harris was enough
And yet you refuse to acknowledge the lawsuit that he brought against Trump's administration for retaliation against his company citing editorials from that very paper as motive for Trump's animus.I assumed pointing out that Bezos has given millions to the Dems and his paper had run article after article and editorial after editorial aimed at electing Harris was enough
Even if that allegation is not 100% true.... if Bezos' actions were colored by that perception, that means something. It doesn't always take a horses head in your bed for you to be swayed to not cross someone twice.
Overall, the fact that such an idea can even be entertained as a viable scenario should be concerning. Maybe you're right, maybe Bezos isn't scared and thinks he's strong enough to combat Trump.... but I can sure tell you that there are a lot of business owners who could be strong armed in such a way, maybe even imperceivably, and that has been a widely addressed Trump tactic since his days in construction.
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Latest Updates (Electoral Votes in Parenthesis):
WI - Harris +0.7% (10)
MI - Harris +0.8% (15)
NV - Trump +0.3% (6)
PA - Trump +0.4% (19)
NC - Trump +1.1% (16)
GA - Trump +1.2% (16)
AZ - Trump +1.5% (11)
Popular Vote - Harris +0.4%
EC - Trump 287-251
WI - Harris +0.7% (10)
MI - Harris +0.8% (15)
NV - Trump +0.3% (6)
PA - Trump +0.4% (19)
NC - Trump +1.1% (16)
GA - Trump +1.2% (16)
AZ - Trump +1.5% (11)
Popular Vote - Harris +0.4%
EC - Trump 287-251
Since those same editorials have continued I fail to see the relevance. The alledged retaliation obviously hasn’t affected the papers behavior. Again….the WaPo has continued almost non stop with their anti Trump opinions. Their owner has given millions to the Dems. Yet he’s now not going to endorse Harris out of fear? Might be the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard on this board.
Let me help you….he’s seen what a lot of Dems are now seeing and saw in 2020. She’s an awful candidate. Whether it’s staying home and not voting or not endorsing. It’s the net same.
Two national polls out today. Emerson and TIPP. Both have race tied but both show some movement toward Trump. Harris had a huge rally with Beyoncé last night in Houston hoping to help Allred in the Senate against Cruz. Both campaigns are now focused on Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. I now expect Trump to win Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina. Dems simply aren’t showing up to vote in this states for Harris. Dems are also having issues in Nevada but I can’t underestimate the Dem ground game there. They always seem to pull out national races.
Popular vote looks like an absolutely tossup ten days out.
Popular vote looks like an absolutely tossup ten days out.
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