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astonmartin708 · 2024-11-20T02:40:08-0600

What happens to the economy when you take a tight labor market and remove a bunch of the lowest paid labor responsible for agricultural production as well as construction and menial labor?

When combined with Tariff driven price increases are we staring at a nuke being dropped on the US GDP the likes of which we haven't seen since 1930?

Gmoney4WW · Tuesday at 10:57 PM

lawpoke87 said:
By far the most common type of open primary is one where Pubs, Dems and Ind can vote in either the Dem or Pub. Which gives everyone the opportunity to vote in the primary of their choice. I took exception to your post because you made it sound like this type of primary was common when it fact it’s only being used in two states (three if you include the hybrid in Alaska). The movement does seem to have a bit of momentum but as I said the proposal was just defeated in Arizona and Nevada.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a tradition open primary like we see in most states. Not sure we’re ready for the type being proposed. Arizona and Nevada certainly weren’t. Should be put to a vote though

I think you should have to choose which primary you want to vote on, not be able to choose the candidate you want in BOTH primaries. That way, if you are far right wing you have to decide if it is more important to vote for your preferred candidate in the Republican primary or more important to vote on the one you don't want in office, or would take as a second choice from the Democratic side.(or vice versa) You shouldn't be able to vote on both. You can do this by changing parties before the primary, and changing parties again, before the general election. It just eliminates having to change parties at the election board twice.

lawpoke87 · Tuesday at 10:37 PM

drboobay said:
All but 12 states have some form of open primary. That was my point.

I strongly support this type of open primary. It is well suited to diminishing partisanship and driving politics towards the middle IMO watching Tulsa elections and our improved collaboration in local government.

Now if parties want to pay for their own caucases and pick a single preferred candidate so be it. But I do not like paying for elections in which I cannot vote.

By far the most common type of open primary is one where Pubs, Dems and Ind can vote in either the Dem or Pub. Which gives everyone the opportunity to vote in the primary of their choice. I took exception to your post because you made it sound like this type of primary was common when it fact it’s only being used in two states (three if you include the hybrid in Alaska). The movement does seem to have a bit of momentum but as I said the proposal was just defeated in Arizona and Nevada.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a tradition open primary like we see in most states. Not sure we’re ready for the type being proposed. Arizona and Nevada certainly weren’t. Should be put to a vote though

Gmoney4WW · Tuesday at 10:35 PM

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drboobay · Tuesday at 10:25 PM

lawpoke87 said:
That type of primary is currently being done in only three states…Cali, Oregon and Alaska (hybrid). I know Arizona and Nevada had similar ballot measures two weeks ago. Both were defeated. Please correct me if I’m wrong here. I’m not really sure how I feel about this initiative.

All but 12 states have some form of open primary. That was my point.

I strongly support this type of open primary. It is well suited to diminishing partisanship and driving politics towards the middle IMO watching Tulsa elections and our improved collaboration in local government.

Now if parties want to pay for their own caucases and pick a single preferred candidate so be it. But I do not like paying for elections in which I cannot vote.

lawpoke87 · Tuesday at 10:18 PM

drboobay said:
Not in this case. The petition is for a single primary ballot much as done in Tulsa except that party affiliation will be shown on ballot.

That type of primary is currently being done in only three states…Cali, Oregon and Alaska (hybrid). I know Arizona and Nevada had similar ballot measures two weeks ago. Both were defeated. Please correct me if I’m wrong here. I’m not really sure how I feel about this initiative.

drboobay · Tuesday at 9:57 PM

lawpoke87 said:
I assume you’re talking about primaries which allow Dems, Pubs and Independents to vote in either the Dem or Pub primary?

Not in this case. The petition is for a single primary ballot much as done in Tulsa except that party affiliation will be shown on ballot.

mcane · Tuesday at 9:54 PM

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mcane · Tuesday at 9:36 PM

TU by 11.5
ORU lost at Belmont despite a halftime lead
And Loyola Chicago beat Southern Utah by 4 in Chicago
Not an intimidating road crowd
A winnable road game if TU can finally get over the road hump

lawpoke87 · Tuesday at 9:24 PM

drboobay said:
Then you will vote against it. And we will see how it works out. Most states have open primaries BTW. Only 12 backwards ones don't!

I assume you’re talking about primaries which allow Dems, Pubs and Independents to vote in either the Dem or Pub primary?

drboobay · Tuesday at 8:48 PM

aTUfan said:
nope, primaries are for the parties to select their candidate for the General Election

Then you will vote against it. And we will see how it works out. Most states have open primaries BTW. Only 12 backwards ones don't!

drboobay · Tuesday at 6:51 PM

Proposed state question would change Oklahoma election system

Oklahoma United has filed an initiative petition to put a state question to end Oklahoma's closed primary system to a statewide vote in November 2026.

tulsaworld.com

It's about time. They can have my signature yesterday.

Gmoney4WW · Tuesday at 3:43 PM

lawpoke87 said:
To be clear, I wasn’t referring to journalist intentionally publishing misleading information. I am skeptical of any information released by Russia or Ukraine.

I took the comment to refer specifically to this poll, and generally to whatever was suspect. Obviously Russian & Ukranian reports will be biased towards whatever suits their needs in a time of war, and not towards the truth. I assumed that Gallup has enough of their men on the ground, collecting and supervising the collection of this information, that they felt confident enough to publish it. That's why I was questioning whom the general statements accusation was leaving as suspect., seeing as how the poll didn't seem to have a bias to suspect. If the specific doesn't meet the accusation, it lends to questioning who is suspected in the general accusation.

lawpoke87 · Tuesday at 3:14 PM

Gmoney4WW said:
Those gosh durned yellow journalists! Can't quite see their motive to extend the war, but to then say that more than 50% of Ukranians want it to end in relation to the US not funding it any longer. That sentiment kind of goes against their desire to extend it. You would think that wouldn't be publicized. Unless you just want to push mistrust of journalists in general.

To be clear, I wasn’t referring to journalist intentionally publishing misleading information. I am skeptical of any information released by Russia or Ukraine.

Gmoney4WW · Tuesday at 3:01 PM

HuffyCane said:
I wouldn’t believe one word about what’s published about that conflict for the next 6 months.

Those gosh durned yellow journalists! Can't quite see their motive to extend the war, but to then say that more than 50% of Ukranians want it to end in relation to the US not funding it any longer. That sentiment kind of goes against their desire to extend it. You would think that wouldn't be publicized. Unless you just want to push mistrust of journalists in general.

lawpoke87 · Tuesday at 2:18 PM

HuffyCane said:
I wouldn’t believe one word about what’s published about that conflict for the next 6 months.

I’ve been skeptical of what has been published regarding the conflict for quite some time.

HuffyCane · Tuesday at 2:12 PM

I wouldn’t believe one word about what’s published about that conflict for the next 6 months.

drboobay · Tuesday at 2:09 PM

nevadanatural said:
The lack of danger was bue to the receiver of the cross. Pepi whiffed on two Musah balls that were delivered right to his feet.

My comment was on Scally.

lawpoke87 · Tuesday at 1:58 PM

Ukrainians appear to be quickly growing tired of living in a war zone

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Gmoney4WW · Tuesday at 12:50 PM

TU4ever2 said:
Geez if only there was someone in the school who was responsible for sports teams and revenue generation/sports donations to make it easier for the President to have his attention on other things.

These are excuses. Brad has said he understands that TU athletics is the front door to the University for the vast majority of Tulsa, but we are still not acting like it.

Amazing how our applications increase and the overall level of our applicants rise when we have athletic success. More amazing is how little this small private university is thought about when we are bad at sportsball.

The AD isn't in the middle east and only has one focus. TU again is dropping the ball and every poster here should be pissed.

Go back to the conference boards.

Gmoney4WW · Tuesday at 12:50 PM

TU4ever2 said:
Geez if only there was someone in the school who was responsible for sports teams and revenue generation/sports donations to make it easier for the President to have his attention on other things.

These are excuses. Brad has said he understands that TU athletics is the front door to the University for the vast majority of Tulsa, but we are still not acting like it.

Amazing how our applications increase and the overall level of our applicants rise when we have athletic success. More amazing is how little this small private university is thought about when we are bad at sportsball.

The AD isn't in the middle east and only has one focus. TU again is dropping the ball and every poster here should be pissed.

Go back to the conference boards.

Gmoney4WW · Tuesday at 12:49 PM

TU4ever2 said:
Geez if only there was someone in the school who was responsible for sports teams and revenue generation/sports donations to make it easier for the President to have his attention on other things.

These are excuses. Brad has said he understands that TU athletics is the front door to the University for the vast majority of Tulsa, but we are still not acting like it.

Amazing how our applications increase and the overall level of our applicants rise when we have athletic success. More amazing is how little this small private university is thought about when we are bad at sportsball.

The AD isn't in the middle east and only has one focus. TU again is dropping the ball and every poster here should be pissed.

Go back to the conference boards.

Gmoney4WW · Tuesday at 12:49 PM

TU4ever2 said:
Geez if only there was someone in the school who was responsible for sports teams and revenue generation/sports donations to make it easier for the President to have his attention on other things.

These are excuses. Brad has said he understands that TU athletics is the front door to the University for the vast majority of Tulsa, but we are still not acting like it.

Amazing how our applications increase and the overall level of our applicants rise when we have athletic success. More amazing is how little this small private university is thought about when we are bad at sportsball.

The AD isn't in the middle east and only has one focus. TU again is dropping the ball and every poster here should be pissed.

Go back to the conference boards.

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