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Trump fear mongered and Kamala fear mongered. Kamala lost, so that's why we are focusing on her fear mongering. Trump will cause more fear mongering, some justified, and some not. That's just reality. It plays a part in why she lost, but so does her having to live under the pretense that she was an incumbent. Incumbents have to deal with their failures more than those who aren't incumbents. She should have focused on her future policies more, but you don't know that for sure, until you lose. All in all, it was a popularity contest. That's pretty bad, when you lose a popularity contest to DJT.
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Fire him TOMORROW!

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aTUfan said:
We have fired coaches mid-season before: Vince Caralot, and Claude Gibson. Any others?
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Vince Carrilot was fired during the summer of 1970 for recruiting violation that landed TU on probation. Claude "Hoot" Gibson was a serial womanizer who the players did not respect. Dave Rader was fired mid-season 1999, which was a totally bungled deal. Mid-season (or late season now) firings rarely produce positive results, unless waking a program out of a coma is achieved.
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2024 Election prediction/discussion

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Chris Harmon said:
First of all, I was talking about Harris' campaign, not Trumps. I call it fearmongering because that is how it came across to me...so that's my opinion. I had my 20-year old liberal daughter asking about all the stuff filling her "for you" social media pages about how she was going to lose her rights, which is absolutely insane, IMO.
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Chris were you not troubled by Trump's election denialism and nanchalant-at-best reaction to the January 6th riots? How does that not stoke fear that our democracy is at risk?

The only mitigating factor I can come up with is that our institutions did stand despite the onslaught. But would they again if he can reshape courts and the civil service to his liking?
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Chris Harmon said:
I'm not a Trump fan at all, but I did live through is first presidency. Democracy didn't end. So I guess that's what I'm basing it on.
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Suppose I’m with most Americans in that I’m not overly concerned about democracy ending. Now if Trump starts censoring or silencing.dissenting speech or enacting unconstitutional mandates I might change my mind. Until then this is where I am. Hopefully I’m correct. I never viewed a bunch of unarmed nut jobs as a threat to overthrow our democracy. Just not how our democracy will end. Again….leaders who actively silence those who oppose them pose a far greater risk based on history. Let’s revisit in a few years
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2024 Election prediction/discussion

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astonmartin708 said:
Let's get a recap of Trump's sensical contributions to our political discourse:
  1. Judicial arguments before the supreme court that he believes he should be above the law
  2. Constant disparaging of anyone in an intelligence agency or the justice system
  3. Flip flopping on criminal charges for politicians.... remember his arguments about "Crooked Hillary"?
  4. His behavior surrounding hoaxes, lies, and false achievements
    1. False Election Conspiracies & Insurrections
    2. Obama's birth certificate,
    3. Ivermectin & Hydroxycloroquine
    4. Draining the swamp (making it swampier - how many of his aides went to jail?)
    5. Mexico will pay for a wall they never paid for.
    6. Hurricanes being controlled by the Government?
    7. Stating he wasn't close with Epstein after 2000.
    8. Claiming media bias... thus creating his own extremely biased media companies
    9. His own collegiate academic performance (as attested by everyone that knew him in college including teachers)
    10. The size of his inaugural crowds
    11. Illegal voters in the 2016 elections (what happened to them? Why does he not care anymore)
    12. Denial of Russian election interference, that was later proven by his own intelligence agencies.
    13. Being found by a court to have raped a woman.
    14. Being convicted by a jury of falsifying business records in furtherance of a crime.
    15. Cheating on his wives repeatedly
    16. False claims during his previous presidency about 5-6% GDP growth that he would enable.
    17. Claiming he would erase the national debt in 8 years. (He just increased it further with his Tax Cuts)
    18. Arguing that Obama's admin conspired to surveil his campaign. (They were later proved to have not done so)
    19. Insinuating Joe Scarborough a murderer.... which was found to not be true after also having previously been found to not be true.
    20. Claiming he had done more for Black Americans than any other president.
    21. His quid pro quo dealmaking on weapons that were of dire need to Zelensky who was later attacked by Trump's buddy.
    22. His conspiracy theory that Ilhan Omar married her brother, committed immigration fraud, and said "death to Israel"
    23. His disparaging of war heroes and veterans.
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…and yet he beats the crap out of the Dem nominee 312-226. Wins the popular vote. Wins the Senate. Wins the House. Dems must have nominated one awful candidate and/or ran one awful campaign.
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2024 Election prediction/discussion

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astonmartin708 said:
The supreme leader was too busy talking about completely sensical things like Haitians eating cats. Damn those cat eating Hatians!

He was busy talking about sensical things like "drill baby drill" (nevermind the fact that the US is now producing and exporting more oil and gas than it ever has before)

He was busy talking about the need for more parental rights, to teach your child whatever nonsense you feel like they should know. (Makes it easier for the children to believe him and the other car salesmen that follow)

He pledged to hand the idea of government to a person who absolutely ruined one of the largest social media websites, and who has built garbage cars, behind schedule and for a higher price than promised.

You call it fear mongering, because you still think it won't happen.... until it does, and you just handed him back the keys to test fate despite repeated warnings.
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First of all, I was talking about Harris' campaign, not Trumps. I call it fearmongering because that is how it came across to me...so that's my opinion. I had my 20-year old liberal daughter asking about all the stuff filling her "for you" social media pages about how she was going to lose her rights, which is absolutely insane, IMO.
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2024 Election prediction/discussion

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Chris Harmon said:
This fascinates me. IMO, as I mentioned before, I felt like most of that messaging was just fearmongering that fell on deaf ears. This is one person's opinion, and I know @drboobay disagrees, and I appreciate his point of view. I watched the RNC and DNC, and then rallies on both sides, plus many interviews of both sides. I found it odd that the Harris/Walz campaign wasn't talking more about the issues -- what they feel is right and why they feel Trump is wrong. It was mostly that Trump was a "threat do Democracy," coupled with things like Obama pushing the 'very fine people' hoax and Oprah saying if Trump was elected it could be the last election we ever vote in. The list goes on, and it was a lot of non-sensical things. I just didn't understand that strategy.
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Let's get a recap of Trump's sensical contributions to our political discourse:
  1. Judicial arguments before the supreme court that he believes he should be above the law
  2. Constant disparaging of anyone in an intelligence agency or the justice system
  3. Flip flopping on criminal charges for politicians.... remember his arguments about "Crooked Hillary"?
  4. His behavior surrounding hoaxes, lies, and false achievements
    1. False Election Conspiracies & Insurrections
    2. Obama's birth certificate,
    3. Ivermectin & Hydroxycloroquine
    4. Draining the swamp (making it swampier - how many of his aides went to jail?)
    5. Mexico will pay for a wall they never paid for.
    6. Hurricanes being controlled by the Government?
    7. Stating he wasn't close with Epstein after 2000.
    8. Claiming media bias... thus creating his own extremely biased media companies
    9. His own collegiate academic performance (as attested by everyone that knew him in college including teachers)
    10. The size of his inaugural crowds
    11. Illegal voters in the 2016 elections (what happened to them? Why does he not care anymore)
    12. Denial of Russian election interference, that was later proven by his own intelligence agencies.
    13. Being found by a court to have raped a woman.
    14. Being convicted by a jury of falsifying business records in furtherance of a crime.
    15. Cheating on his wives repeatedly
    16. False claims during his previous presidency about 5-6% GDP growth that he would enable.
    17. Claiming he would erase the national debt in 8 years. (He just increased it further with his Tax Cuts)
    18. Arguing that Obama's admin conspired to surveil his campaign. (They were later proved to have not done so)
    19. Insinuating Joe Scarborough a murderer.... which was found to not be true after also having previously been found to not be true.
    20. Claiming he had done more for Black Americans than any other president.
    21. His quid pro quo dealmaking on weapons that were of dire need to Zelensky who was later attacked by Trump's buddy.
    22. His conspiracy theory that Ilhan Omar married her brother, committed immigration fraud, and said "death to Israel"
    23. His disparaging of war heroes and veterans.
    24. His lies of omission blaming Biden in totality for the Afghan withdrawal, failing to mention his administration was heavily involved in the leadup.
    25. His conspiracies about mail in voting.
    26. His claims that Biden wanted to destroy patient protections for pre-existing condition coverage.
    27. His treatment of his own handpicked vice president.
    28. His treatment of any Republican who strayed from his orbit.
    29. His mistreatment of classified materials and boasting about them to guests at his hotel.
    30. His misstatements about the age of our air force's fleet of planes and their age under his administration.
    31. His vast exaggeration of the size of illegal immigration queues. (10 million vs 3 million)
    32. His denial of science in general and climate change in particular.
    33. His unproveable, and frankly unbelievable, claim that no one would have attacked Israel or Ukraine if he had been president.
    34. His claims that democratic states are executing babies after birth.
    35. His claims that the majority of America wanted states rights to determine abortion.
    36. His constant claims of larger crowd attendances than actually existed.
    37. His campaign shafting municipalities from payments.
    38. Saying he cares about the Bible (then not knowing a single verse).
    39. Saying he knows literally anything about Tariffs.
I could go on, but I grow tired of typing. You must have been one of those people that watched the RNC and the DNC and really thought Hulk Hogan was a savant (brother!) and Kid Rock was really on the nose about the issues. Or maybe you were watching Brett Favre take some much needed time away from stealing from the poor to wax poetic on Trump's benefits for our country.
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2024 Election prediction/discussion

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astonmartin708 said:
The Covid stimulus contributed little to inflation. If you want to complain about it hitting the debt, fine, but I fundamentally have no evidence that it was the leading cause of inflation.
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Lots of papers on the subject

The highest estimate — that roughly half or about four percentage points of the recent increase in annual inflation can be attributed to the rescue plan — comes from Francesco Bianchi of Johns Hopkins University, who presented findings from a paper he co-authored at the Federal Reserve’s annual conference in Jackson Hole, Wyo.

Four economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco in March, after comparing the U.S. experience to that of other advanced economies, said the combined effects of all fiscal measures in 2020 and 2021 had pushed inflation higher, with the effect peaking late last year after the rescue plan took hold at about three percentage points. And Laurence Ball of Johns Hopkins, along with Daniel Leigh and Prachi Mishra of the International Monetary Fund, arrived at a similar figure for the rescue plan alone in a paper presented at a Brookings Institution conference in early September.
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📝 Larry Lewis TU cruises past Arkansas-Pine Bluff, 103-80

Chris Harmon
For those who love alley-oop dunks and scoring 100 points in victories, this was your game, TU fans. Isaiah Barnes led the way with 22 points and a few dunks as Tulsa easily defeated Arkansas-Pine Bluff 103-80 on Saturday afternoon in front of a crowd of 2,753 at the Reynolds Center.

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Tulsa cruises past UAPB, 103-80

Isaiah Barnes and Dwon Odom each had numerous explosive and exciting plays, helping Tulsa defeat Arkansas-Pine Bluff.
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📝 Larry Lewis RECAP: Tulsa cruises past UAPB, 103-80

Chris Harmon
For those who love alley-oop dunks and scoring 100 points in victories, this was your game, TU fans. Isaiah Barnes led the way with 22 points and a few dunks as Tulsa easily defeated Arkansas-Pine Bluff 103-80 on Saturday afternoon in front of a crowd of 2,753 at the Reynolds Center.

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Tulsa cruises past UAPB, 103-80

Isaiah Barnes and Dwon Odom each had numerous explosive and exciting plays, helping Tulsa defeat Arkansas-Pine Bluff.
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2024 Election prediction/discussion

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lawpoke87 said:
There were Dem advisors and pollsters who were telling her she need to talk about the issues more and less about how Trump was going to destroy the human race. She ignored them and chose the end of mankind argument. In the end it failed. James Carville is a bit of a nut but also a fairly savy political advisor. He was screaming “talk about the economy, immigration, war”. She was the same candidate who failed miserably in 2020. Ironically, the majority of voters who listed “Threat to Democracy” as their #1 issue backed Trump.
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Just because Trump is putting out BS doesn't preclude you(sanders) from including a little non BS along with your BS.
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Ark PB game thread

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lawpoke87 said:
Butler lost at home to Austin Peay yesterday. Butler ain’t the Butler of old.
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Butler was #68 in net last season. Austin Peay might be good this year. Can you take 5 min off of reaming the team, to be glad we were up 30 pts today, and that we might not have a bad team. God, I can't believe we're getting so many negative comments after a 23 point win where we put in the reserves before the 5 min mark.

Yes PIne Bluff is not good, but jeez louise, it was a blow out win. Aston really is rubbing off on you. That's your first comments after the game, and you seem to not have anything good to say after the game unless you said it while I was writing this post. There was some promising play out there. We didn't turn it over, we shot well, we out rebounded them without Garcia, we got a whole bunch of steals, etc, etc. Yes we should have done this, and we did.
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Chris Harmon said:
This fascinates me. IMO, as I mentioned before, I felt like most of that messaging was just fearmongering that fell on deaf ears. This is one person's opinion, and I know @drboobay disagrees, and I appreciate his point of view. I watched the RNC and DNC, and then rallies on both sides, plus many interviews of both sides. I found it odd that the Harris/Walz campaign wasn't talking more about the issues -- what they feel is right and why they feel Trump is wrong. It was mostly that Trump was a "threat do Democracy," coupled with things like Obama pushing the 'very fine people' hoax and Oprah saying if Trump was elected it could be the last election we ever vote in. The list goes on, and it was a lot of non-sensical things. I just didn't understand that strategy.
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There were Dem advisors and pollsters who were telling her she need to talk about the issues more and less about how Trump was going to destroy the human race. She ignored them and chose the end of mankind argument. In the end it failed. James Carville is a bit of a nut but also a fairly savy political advisor. He was screaming “talk about the economy, immigration, war”. She was the same candidate who failed miserably in 2020. Ironically, the majority of voters who listed “Threat to Democracy” as their #1 issue backed Trump.
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