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It is easy to see that they both have better athletes on both sides of the ball than we do...
we outplayed Temple and turnovers killed usWe have been outgained by every D1 team we’ve played this season....all 7. Sometimes by large margins. We might not have been physically whipped in those games but we have been outplayed based on both yardage gained and the scoreboard. Our 1-7 record has been earned.
UCF hasn’t lost a game in almost two years and they still can’t crack the top 10 btw.
we outplayed Temple and turnovers killed us
To be fair the only decent teams they play this year are Temple, Cincinnati, and USF, and they are all at the tail end of their schedule. And temple is beating them by a touchdown at half. I might have put them above Washington St, Florida, &/or Kentucky before this game, but it is debatable between the three of them.We have been outgained by every D1 team we’ve played this season....all 7. Sometimes by large margins. We might not have been physically whipped in those games but we have been outplayed based on both yardage gained and the scoreboard. Our 1-7 record has been earned.
UCF hasn’t lost a game in almost two years and they still can’t crack the top 10 btw.
To be fair the only decent teams they play this year are Temple, Cincinnati, and USF, and they are all at the tail end of their schedule. And temple is beating them by a touchdown at half. I might have put them above Washington St, Florida, &/or Kentucky before this game, but it is debatable between the three of them.
we have the players but not the QB experience to be effectiveTo be fair the only decent teams they play this year are Temple, Cincinnati, and USF, and they are all at the tail end of their schedule. And temple is beating them by a touchdown at half. I might have put them above Washington St, Florida, &/or Kentucky before this game, but it is debatable between the three of them.[/QUOTE
While Pitt wasn't a bad team and was the highlight on their schedule before the Temple game, Ole Miss & Texas A&M > PittYou can say the same thing about Alabama. You can also say that for most of Notre Dame remaining schedule.
To be fair though Pitt looks a bit better than decent for UCF. FAU was coming off a 10 win season and cusa championship and UNC had been ranked when that series was signed. Missing that game may actually help them.
...and you must mean Notre Dame as a joke, cuz you can't be serious with that comment.You can say the same thing about Alabama. You can also say that for most of Notre Dame remaining schedule.
To be fair though Pitt looks a bit better than decent for UCF. FAU was coming off a 10 win season and cusa championship and UNC had been ranked when that series was signed. Missing that game may actually help them.
...and you must mean Notre Dame as a joke, cuz you can't be serious with that comment.
I will bet you that ND's schedule's will be ranked 40 spots ahead of UCF's when all is said and done. Same with Bama, Ohio State and Clemson. There's not a team on UCF's schedule currently ranked in the top 45 per Sagarin.
Sagarin is the best computer poll going. Take a lap on Colley. It's the same ridiculous computer poll which ranked ND ahead of Bama in 2013 after Bama beat ND 42-14 in the BCS title game. Colley has always been the outlier of polls and methodology is fatally flawed on a number of areas.
Colley currently has Bama 4th. Anyone who believes that's an accurate reflection of the college football landscape can take another lap. Might look at Vegas btw and compare their spreads to Sagarin and Colley.
Can you not read? I was commenting on Lawpoke's remark that UCF wasn't even PRESENTLY sniffing the top 10. Thus I don't give a crap about what Notre Dame's future schedule looks like, just like I don't give a flying f about UCF's or Alabama's future schedule.(in context) Neither of those have to do with why UCF can or can't presently sniff the top 10. Present tense schedule before Temple, UCF's highlight was Pitt. Pitt < Texas A&M and Ole Miss, in comment to your remark about Alabama being weaker. Stay on topic.Notre Dame's remaining schedule
Northwestern will be 1 game above .500 if ND wins, is probably a 7 win team in a terrible big 10 west (which they could win at 7-5)
Florida St. May not be .500 when they play and miss a bowl, good chance a 4 win team
Syracuse is decent but probably an 8 win team max.
USC is probably a 6-6 team and with UCLA improving and it being a rivalry they could finish below .500 and miss a bowl in a bad PAC south, in ne even worse PAC.
ND has wins against 3-7 Ball St, 4-5 Vanderbilt who is probably finishing with one more win, 4-4 Wake who might be favored in one game left on their schedule, a 4-3 Virginia Tech who might be favored in one remaining scheduled game.
They have good wins over Michigan who could still end up short of 10 wins with Penn St and Ohio St left and Stanford who is a 8-9 win team. Neither of whom may end up winning their division.
They will share two opponents in common, Pitt who Notre Dame barely beat and UCF crushed and Navy who UCF will play shortly.
UCF still has what will likely be a ranked Cincy, USF, and Houston in the championship game. Their will be little difference in their schedule and will play the same number of games.
ND will likely face 5-6 teams on its schedule with losing records. Stanford may end ranked, Syracuse could, and Michigan should.
UCF is looking at 4-5 teams with losing records. One of Cincy/USF should finished ranked, the other may, Houston should.
Comparing "names" its not close, comparing the actual teams and records tell a different story.
Ohio St has a similar problem.
Alabama does too.
Clemson isn't looking all that pretty either.
Can you not read? I was commenting on Lawpoke's remark that UCF was even PRESENTLY sniffing the top 10 yet. Thus I don't give a crap about what Notre Dame's future schedule looks like, just like I don't give a flying f about UCF's or Alabama's future schedule.(in context) Neither of those have to do with why UCF can or can't presently sniff the top 10. Present tense schedule before Temple, UCF's highlight was Pitt. Pitt < Texas A&M and Ole Miss, in comment to your remark about Alabama being weaker. Stay with the subject.
Colley doesn't take into account margin of victory either. Which, imo, is a huge omission. I can look at Bama at realize they are currently the clear cut #1 team in the country...as can Vegas. The fact that Colley places them at 4th or placed ND ahead of them in 2013 after getting thrashed by them in the natty tells me that index has some serious issues. Again....look at the various computer polls and compare them with Vegas spreads if you want to get an idea of whose most accurate.
In a conversation about ranking, future schedules don't come into play. Done with this boneheaded conversation. The rest of it isn't even worth commenting on.This is starting to resemble someone else who comments on sports related topics and can't realize he is going down a hole.Pitt is better lol
And to figure out who belongs in the top 10 you have to compare at least 11 teams to each other. You know so you can have 10 ranked.
Your view on sos is not based in reality. It doesn't occur in a vacuum and the entirity of it is required to make comparisons.
So I can read just fine. Your argument was trash. Beginning with the premise two teams who can't win their trash division is better than someone who can.
In a conversation about ranking, future schedules don't come into play. Done with this boneheaded conversation. The rest of it isn't even worth commenting on.This is starting to resemble someone else who comments on sports related topics and can't realize he is going down a hole.
Sorry Lawpoke didn't respond on my comment, considering that was who I was directing my quoted remark to.
Vegas is still the best predictor of a teams strength. While lines are set to get even money on both sides line movement is generally driven by the wise guys. They don’t have P5 bias btw. In the end, the final line is a damn good indicator of the strength of a team. That said, Sagarin generally does the best job mirroring those lines. Colley is probably the worst at measuring actual team strength due to its deficiencies which have been discussed. The 2013 final Colley rankings are the perfect example as is the current placement of Bama. It’s just a bad system and has been for years. Ignoring margin of victory is only one of its shortcomings
UCF won’t touch the playoffs this year or any other year without a top 10-15 team on their schedule. When you play don’t play in a P5 conference you must schedule such a game if you have any hope of reaching the playoff. Remember...I was the one that said the current system was set up (in part) to ensure all P5 participants. Its a racquet.
Nd plays a schedule filled with names of yesterday's powersNotre Dame's remaining schedule
Northwestern will be 1 game above .500 if ND wins, is probably a 7 win team in a terrible big 10 west (which they could win at 7-5)
Florida St. May not be .500 when they play and miss a bowl, good chance a 4 win team
Syracuse is decent but probably an 8 win team max.
USC is probably a 6-6 team and with UCLA improving and it being a rivalry they could finish below .500 and miss a bowl in a bad PAC south, in ne even worse PAC.
ND has wins against 3-7 Ball St, 4-5 Vanderbilt who is probably finishing with one more win, 4-4 Wake who might be favored in one game left on their schedule, a 4-3 Virginia Tech who might be favored in one remaining scheduled game.
They have good wins over Michigan who could still end up short of 10 wins with Penn St and Ohio St left and Stanford who is a 8-9 win team. Neither of whom may end up winning their division.
They will share two opponents in common, Pitt who Notre Dame barely beat and UCF crushed and Navy who UCF will play shortly.
UCF still has what will likely be a ranked Cincy, USF, and Houston in the championship game. Their will be little difference in their schedule and will play the same number of games.
ND will likely face 5-6 teams on its schedule with losing records. Stanford may end ranked, Syracuse could, and Michigan should.
UCF is looking at 4-5 teams with losing records. One of Cincy/USF should finished ranked, the other may, Houston should.
Comparing "names" its not close, comparing the actual teams and records tell a different story.
Ohio St has a similar problem.
Alabama does too.
Clemson isn't looking all that pretty either.
This is why we need a playoff with more than 4 teams.It's a racquet, but one built on a fatal flaw, that by excluding others the dominance of the included would eliminate competition. The problem is they were so busy telling everyone that wasn't the case that some kids turned around and believed them.
Now the p5 is losing the short term bounce they got with the realignment money and cfp switch. It is very possible UCF will finish undefeated and there won't be four teams left with fewer than 2 losses. Going to be awful hard to exclude them in such a scenario. Which means one way or another the flaw is exposing the cartel.
Disagree. The P5s are stronger today than at anytime in the history of realignment. There has never been a greater descrepency in money. The difference in attendance of games is also huge. A non-P5 team has a streak of success and a P5 conference will add them further diluting those schools not invited to the party. See the likes of TCU and Utah. It is what it is and it’s not changing imo.
Ws and Ls say different. They got a bump. Money is important resources always are, still doesn't decide things, it's a factor but not the decider.