Ukraine….what’s our endgame here
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If Putin owns Trump, why didnt he move on the Donbas with Trump in office.. Obama gave him the Crimea and Syria, yet he chose not to act on the rest of Ukraine until Biden was in office.. why?
This is not true. Lots of people without military experience have shown up and been shown the door.
Where the heck do you get that Biden owed Zelensky money. Do you ever get on your rocker?
Putin thought it would be over in 2 or 3 days. So, it didn't really matter. Besides it would throw more fuel on the fire that Putin had the goods on Trump. Why would Putin do that to Trump early on while he was being impeached over that crap? He was probably protecting Trump from that. Why turn the wolves back onto Trump's scent? You want to protect your dog for future favors.
Later in Trump's first term he probably thought Trump would win a second term. Why would he want to put Trump under the pressure cooker until he was in his second and final term, where he wasn't terribly worried about being elected again. It would be much easier to ignore Ukraine, and watch it being taken over, if Trump wouldn't really suffer any consequences for having done so.
Later on, when Trump had failed to win, it wasn't looking like there was any great chance for Trump to come back and beat Biden in the second race against him. Putin probably thought if not now, then when. Besides I'm pretty sure he thought Biden would react weak. Once again though, he thought it wouldn't matter because he thought it would be over before Biden even had a chance to react.
I hope you didnt strain something with those mental gymnastics..
Its like.. watching a KW offense in action... " they are expecting a screen, so we will run up the middle, unless they expect me to expect them to expect the screen and run up the middle, so, i will do something totally unexpected and run a screen."
There was a 6 month lead up / build up to the invasion. What are you talking about “would be over before Biden has a chance to react”. Biden had ample time to send arms and even troops to defend against the invasion is he so wanted. He didn’t and Ukraine was invaded
If you don't think Putin thinks ahead in this manner then you are sadly deluded. He's not as long term as the Chinese are, but he is not far off. It wasn't mental gymnastics, I put that all together as I composed the post. The post was composed in two or three minutes after I read your post. The editing took way longer than the composition.
I was only responding your statement “Biden didn’t have time to react”. I assert there was ample time to react to the Russian buildup at the Ukrainian border. We just chose not to.
As to why Putin waited until Biden took office to invade Ukraine, I suspect there are only a handful of people on earth which know the answer to that question with certainty
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You always go back to your same thoughts and ignore the situation in time. As I've said before, many times, Biden like any sane President was worried about how Putin would react to US troops. Early on he was and should have been worried about World War III. He hadn't even seen the miasma of Russian troops stuck on the supply road yet, to give him confidence. Worries of provoking World War III was the primary reason why he didn't insert troops in the buildup to war in the 6 months before it started.
But I'm not necessarily defending Biden here. I think Biden should have put troops on the ground. Several insertion points called for him to put troops on the ground then. He missed them all. The mess early on with the Russian supply line, when Ukraine destroyed large parts of his Navy, when they bombed the hell out of that supply line bridge, when they had just done a couple of three bombings within Russian borders, when Russians were voicing their tiredness of the war and upset at how many soldiers were lost and being replaced by draftees, when Prizgohzin was threatening Putin's position, and especially when he got troops from N Korea!!!
But that is not what we are discussing. We are discussing why that Russia attacked when Biden was in office, and noble cane's false assuredness that Trump's strength kept Putin from attacking when he was in office. I laugh at that, because there are many reasons he attacked when he did, and I don't think fear of Trump was even on the list of the why's.
We can all speculate, that's the point of the board if there is one.
😁Your assertion needs to be in the context of my response. Otherwise we are just posting to ourselves. As I said, my answer was he, like any sane president was concerned with Putin's reaction and how it would play on the world stage, and maybe lead to other countries entering the battle, on the side of the axis of evil. I responded and you ignored my response. I think it would have been reckless to have put troops in place before the war started.
But hindsight is 20/20. Knowing all the faux pas, mistakes, failures and just royal screw ups of Putin in this war, my advice would be to put troops in Ukraine three or four months ahead of the war. That wouldn't have been my advice then. Certainly we should have had troops in place before Putin pulled the stunt with Iran and the Hamas attack on that music festival. We might have stalled Putin way before that stunt ever entered his mind. Then we wouldn't have israel killing 35 or 40k of Gazan civilians, and possibly peace in Ukraine w/ minimal to no losses of Ukranian land to Russia.
Sigh.
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