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Ukraine….what’s our endgame here

It’s going to get interesting when this war extends into winter. The play here now appears to be to try to wrap it up with concessions or a cease fire asap. That way people aren’t freezing to death in Ukraine and fuel prices dont go crazy in Western Europe in a couple of months. That doesn’t appear realistic for either side doing the fighting right now.
Ukraine is almost out of their own weapons and now close to entirely reliant of US and NATO for arms. I assume we will force the Ukraine to give up those eastern areas by threatening to cease arm shipments…or we say f it and end those sanctions related to energy and food.
 
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Ukraine is almost out of their own weapons and now close to entirely reliant of US and NATO for arms. I assume we will force the Ukraine to give up those eastern areas by threatening to cease arm shipments…or we say f it and end those sanctions related to energy and food.
If we let Putin keep his gains, look for him to demand a land corridor through Lithuania to Kaliningrad.

This is turning into the plot from a Clancy novel... but Brandon aint even close to Jack Ryan..
 
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Ukraine is almost out of their own weapons and now close to entirely reliant of US and NATO for arms. I assume we will force the Ukraine to give up those eastern areas by threatening to cease arm shipments…or we say f it and end those sanctions related to energy and food.
Would have hated for you guys to have been around during the Battle of Britain.
 
Would have hated for you guys to have been around during the Battle of Britain.
We were doing everything we could to win the Battle of Britain and defeat Germany. Contrast by doing just enough to keep a war going with no real viable plan for victory.
 
We were doing everything we could to win the Battle of Britain and defeat Germany. Contrast by doing just enough to keep a war going with no real viable plan for victory.
Everything except getting into war with Germany lol.
 
how much oil did we buy from Russia or iran in when we were oil independent?
It's not about how much we bought from those two sources. It's about how much we bought from all other sources. If we bought from UAE and UAE has to now sell to Europe, that means our import costs just went up.
 
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It's not about how much we bought from those two sources. It's about how much we bought from all other sources. If we bought from UAE and UAE has to now sell to Europe, that means our import costs just went up.
I'm working in areas I don't fully understand all the nuances, and attempting not to make too many false statements.

He's working in areas he just doesn't understand, period.
Speaking about the general as well as the specific.

This statement is for aTUfan more than it is for you, but you already know this.
 
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I'm working in areas I don't fully understand all the nuances, and attempting not to make too many false statements.

He's working in areas he just doesn't understand, period.
Speaking about the general as well as the specific.

This statement is for aTUfan more than it is for you, but you already know this.
I'm looking at both the IEA and the EIA. IEA is an International Energy Agency. EIA is the Energy Information Administration. EIA is the US Fed's domestic analysis arm for energy. IEA is the group that keeps closer track of global markets and trends.

Both are great sources.

It's looking like Europe is going to have to restart Coal power plants to weather the Embargo of both Russian Oil and Russian Gas, so they don't freeze this winter. The IEA chief is saying that the increases to emissions would largely be expected to be offset by Renewable development later as that development is now being turned to, to offset the need for Russian hydrocarbons. The IEA is also calling for long term investments in energy efficiency in the West as well as short term demand reduction actions to help weather the storm.

Here is the news for how International Events are effecting our domestic energy industry https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/
 
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Just finished reading The Red Famine which details Russia's centuries long mistreatment of the Ukraine but focuses most closely on Stalin's policies designed both to destroy Ukrainian culture and starve its people into submission while replacing the 5 million who died with Russian immigrants. Sad tale that ranks up there with British occupation and mistreatment of the Irish in the 19th Century. No wonder the Ukranians want zip to to with Russia and why Putin thinks he can do what he wants with Ukraine. Here's a review from 2017:
 
Walter Duranty won a Pulitzer at the NYT while downplaying the Holodomor. The Russians/communists have always enlisted the help of useful idiots in the west: from Duranty to Bernie Sanders to Tucker Carlson. The Chinese communist party does the same
 
Bitter Harvest is a fine film about this cover up. And it has a bit of a side love story that your wife would be willing to sit through. Highly recommend. Free on Paramount+

Unlike most self professed experts on Ukraine, I’ve been there several times, including just after Euro Maidan. Most Americans have no idea what those people have suffered through and what they are up against.
 
I'm looking at both the IEA and the EIA. IEA is an International Energy Agency. EIA is the Energy Information Administration. EIA is the US Fed's domestic analysis arm for energy. IEA is the group that keeps closer track of global markets and trends.

Both are great sources.

It's looking like Europe is going to have to restart Coal power plants to weather the Embargo of both Russian Oil and Russian Gas, so they don't freeze this winter. The IEA chief is saying that the increases to emissions would largely be expected to be offset by Renewable development later as that development is now being turned to, to offset the need for Russian hydrocarbons. The IEA is also calling for long term investments in energy efficiency in the West as well as short term demand reduction actions to help weather the storm.

Here is the news for how International Events are effecting our domestic energy industry https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/
Is Germany not imposing an embargo on Russian coal?
 
Even NPR is now questioning the Ukrainian narrative


Weird headline. The corruption that they are pointing out is related to people acting against the Ukranian cause and for the Russian one. (Or at least suspected to be). Point taken on NPR making the weird headline. It makes it look like the Biden admin knew that the Ukranians had insiders and did nothing to stop it... meaning we were... clandestinely supporting Russia's aggression?

Probably not the case when we're sending Ukraine boatloads of money and munitions.
 
I don't think they had much of a choice. They can't do without. Where else are they going to get it.
Agreed, though the answer to that final question is: The good ole' USA, and Azerbijan, etc...

Though our product is more expensive than Putin's, they now see the danger associated with being his customer. Sooner or later he's going to ask for a favor, and if you don't do exactly what he asks, he's taking your knee caps.

Slowly they're trying to wean themselves off of the drugs altogether. Though at some point they might have to deal with the effects of going 'Cold Turkey' from fossil fuels.
 
I don't think they had much of a choice. They can't do without. Where else are they going to get it.
No doubt. They’re in a tough spot. Sticking with my guess that certain countries start applying pressure to Ukraine to concede those eastern territories to Putin in exchange for peace.
 
Agreed, though the answer to that final question is: The good ole' USA, and Azerbijan, etc...

Though our product is more expensive than Putin's, they now see the danger associated with being his customer. Sooner or later he's going to ask for a favor, and if you don't do exactly what he asks, he's taking your knee caps.

Slowly they're trying to wean themselves off of the drugs altogether. Though at some point they might have to deal with the effects of going 'Cold Turkey' from fossil fuels.
That point is going to take a complete reversal on nuclear plants, and a whole lot of windmills.
 
That point is going to take a complete reversal on nuclear plants, and a whole lot of windmills.
It sure is. (Although France has always been pro-Nuclear)

Withdrawal from a drug you've been using for decades is never going to be fun. In some cases it can even kill you, but if the drug itself (and its byproduct troubles) will definitely kill you sooner or later, what do you have to lose?
 
One thing I'll give the Ukraine war effort, that could be slightly attributable to Trumps actions, is Europe is stepping up it's financial assistance. Between the UK and the rest of Europe, they've already provided 4.3 billion in assistance and they've just committed 1.5 billion more. They don't show any signs of slowing up their efforts financially.
 
One thing I'll give the Ukraine war effort, that could be slightly attributable to Trumps actions, is Europe is stepping up it's financial assistance. Between the UK and the rest of Europe, they've already provided 4.3 billion in assistance and they've just committed 1.5 billion more. They don't show any signs of slowing up their efforts financially.
Crazy that the US has provided more financial assistance ($7B) then all of Europe combined. Hopefully Europe will continue to step up assistance given the location of Ukraine.
 
Actually the US has provided 9.8B as of now.

It's a little over half on their contribution in relation to ours, and I believe that's a more substantial amount than their relative contribution to NATO.

Nato is funded at something like .3% of the entire nato budget by Europe, and the funding in % of GDP is only equaled by Germany in comparison to the US. That seems to be a far cry from the 37%(approximately) they are funding to our funding of 63% in the Ukraine war effort. They have stepped it up considerably.
 
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Too bad Daddy wasn't in the car with Darya. They are threatening to call Ukraine a terrorist state if they 'find' the evidence to prove Ukraine was responsible. Is that a proof positive declarative question or a rhetorical one? How does Putin find these advisors? At the local looney tunes religion and philosophy department of the state school for the gifted? Love daddy's thoughts on Trump.
 
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The most vocal public outcry in Russia has focused on the Russian military’s failure to win and urging the military to get tougher on the Ukraine. Putin seems to have convinced a lot of Russians that the Ukraine is a threat to be squashed. Probably still risky to be vocally anti war in Russia, so hard to guess their numbers..
 
The most vocal public outcry in Russia has focused on the Russian military’s failure to win and urging the military to get tougher on the Ukraine. Putin seems to have convinced a lot of Russians that the Ukraine is a threat to be squashed. Probably still risky to be vocally anti war in Russia, so hard to guess their numbers..
Most of the political outcry I've heard was for Putin's removal.(Unless you are talking bout public outcry...)

I don't care if you are singing kumbaya or saying kill em, kill em all. Calling for Putin's head is gonna get you no matter what you say about the war.

What's Putin going to do, tell his goons to shove the one's saying kill em all out the window, and say shove the one's singing kumbaya twice as hard out the window. Or maybe he'll give the one's singing kumbaya a double dose of the incredibly deadly single dose of poison that he gives the one's saying kill em all.
 
Wow, India, China, and the rest of this meeting of allies of Russia are helping our end game. Pretty amazing result of Russia's recent collapse in the war effort. Zelensky has made major political gains with this counter offensive.
 
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