a political prisonerCalifornia man granted asylum in Belarus after Jan. 6 riot - Los Angeles Times
California man granted asylum in Belarus after being sought in Jan. 6 riot and police assault
Evan Neumann, wanted by the FBI on charges related to the Jan. 6 riot in Washington, has been granted asylum in Belarus, officials told state media.www.latimes.com
This is the Republican Party
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GOP’s new war on private investors supporting responsible investing and management. The ignorance embedded in the quotations in this article is hard to believe.
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GOP directs culture war fury toward green investing trend
Red state officials are coming out swinging against growing Wall Street efforts to consider environmental risk in investment decisions.
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Meanwhile, remember the separation of church and state?
www.rollingstone.com
Trump Endorsed Her. Now She Wants to Use State Power to 'Crush' the Left and Impose 'God's Moral Order'
Jacky Eubanks, a Gen Z zealot running for state office in Michigan, vows to make contraception illegal, insisting: “God’s morality is for everybody”
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How’s this…here’s a actual member of Congress and the Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus speaking with the Speaker of the House in attendance. Cliff notes….she blames white supremacy for a black male murdering Koreans in Korean beauty salon.
www.foxnews.com
Dem Rep. Beatty blames White supremacy for Dallas Korean hair salon shooting, but suspect is Black | Fox News
Rep. Joyce Beatty, D-Ohio, made the claim at a Thursday press conference outside the Captiol that saw House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., in attendance.
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this is the new Democrat party. silence opposition voices, illegal protest are ok for the left, mandates, demonize, push socialism, communisim, and fascism, big gov, penalize hard working people while enabling deadbeats. use taxpayer money for party purposes, and
S P E N D.
S P E N D.
I cried when I saw that they were 2nd 3rd and 4th graders. The age of my grandkids.
the left is now blamimg the shooting on the GOP and tje NRA.
What law would have prevented this?
If so then why didnt the democrats pass it when they controlled congress and the WH?
the left is now blamimg the shooting on the GOP and tje NRA.
What law would have prevented this?
If so then why didnt the democrats pass it when they controlled congress and the WH?
Maybe the law that allowed the shooter to buy an AR15 at 18.
Democrats didn’t pass a bill because they didn’t control 60 seats in the Senate.
I will go even further…an unstable 18 year old. Add in body armor if you want. The kid can’t buy beer but he can apparently buy an AR15 with a full complement of body armor. We should probably also talk about the mental health aspect as well.
If mental health services and mental evaluations were more available to Americans then I would call it an adequate course of action for a solution. But those items are serious hurdles in making a focus on mental health a realistic focus to prevent more of these events. And I would argue they are bigger hurdles, and part of bigger conversations than gun control is. (Considering we already had federal restrictions on guns the likes of which many of these shootings were committed with previously)
The most sure fire way of preventing more of these events would be to not put guns in the hands of every tom dick and Harry.
As I said above…an 18 year old isn’t judged mature enough to buy and drink a beer but they can go in and purchase an AR15 and body armor. Something is wrong with that picture.
They aren’t judged that mature enough in America… they are in other countries at 18.
Its not the age or the maturity or the mental health. It’s the guns. There are immature, crazy, young people in other places that don’t see supermarkets, schools, and churches shot up on a regular basis.
Fine. I’ll bite. So what is it in the US making these young people shoot up places? Might as well talk about places like Chicago as well where public shootings with multiple victims is commonplace.
….and I do disagree. There is no reason that an 18 year old should be buying an AR or body armor.
Well… the fact that they have readily available guns at their disposal seems to be a leading factor in the occurrences of gun violence… even in Chicago.
I suspect in places like that you would still have violent crimes even with a smaller gun supply (probably knifings) but multiple victim crimes would likely be reduced, and mass events would be greatly reduced across the country.
At least in this case the ability of an 18 year old to walk down and buy guns at the local store appears to be a significant factor. Also disturbing is the tie these killings have to social media. Whether the shooter live streaming the murders or posting their intent shortly before the act. The craving for notoriety certainly seems to be present.
instead of ramming something through, invite 10 or 12 rep to help write tbe legislation acceptable to both sides.
Blame it on his age, blame it on his mental health, blame it on social media, blame it on the number of entrances to the school, blame it on the armed police presence that failed to stop him. Blame it on anything except the fact that there are so many guns floating around our country with the specific design to kill as many people as efficiently as possible that we see many more of these events than any of our peer countries.
And if I hear one thing about Switzerland I swear to god I'm going to blow a gasket.
There is only one tangible difference between the nature of our public places vs. those of the UK, France, Germany etc... and it's not how many entrances we have to our schools or how our youth uses social media.
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Australia had one mass shooting in a school, changed their gun laws and haven't had one since. In the US, mass shootings of children are a regular occurrence and only generate more ridiculous BS about gun rights. Meanwhile our schools looks increasingly like prisons and children continue to be shot on a regular basis. The NRA proposed solutions are always the same: we need more guns. BS.
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100% true. But we are not going to confiscate everyone's guns. That would be civil war.
We are also not doing anything else. Although the NRA did ban guns for Trump's speech at their convention.
oh the irony..:. That an island full of ancestral convicts where literally every living thing is trying to kill them, voluntarily gave up their guns and we the ‘greatest country in the world’ can’t calm down enough to realize that if we didn’t all have guns, we wouldn’t all need guns.
The other irony is that while you are right, it probably would devolve into civil war, that the actual civil war should teach us that there is a side that typically tends to be on the wrong side of history, and it’s not usually the side that’s trying to conform to what the rest of the civilized world is doing.
I wish we had strict gun control similar to Australia and many European nations. No interest from me in firearms or hunting. So I sympathize with these sentiments. But it's not practical IMO.
I would favor these things though:
Assault weapons ban per Brady bill
No high capacity magazines
Licensing requirements and training requirements
Raising the age to acquire a firearm to 21
Universal background checks
I think if you do all these things you actually move the needle on these mass shootings. Won't eliminate it but will move the needle in a meaningful way.
I would favor these things though:
Assault weapons ban per Brady bill
No high capacity magazines
Licensing requirements and training requirements
Raising the age to acquire a firearm to 21
Universal background checks
I think if you do all these things you actually move the needle on these mass shootings. Won't eliminate it but will move the needle in a meaningful way.
I agree with drboobay sentiments. I have never owned a gun. However, I do live in relatively safe and crime free south Tulsa. If I did live in a higher crime rate area or the country I would absolutely own a gun. Remember…in the US the police have no legal duty to protect you even when your life is in danger.
An example of doing nothing about obvious defects because of political opposition in the Senate And the NRA.
Gun Laws Permit Texas 18-Year-Olds to Buy AR-15s, but Not Handguns
www.propublica.org
Gun Laws Permit Texas 18-Year-Olds to Buy AR-15s, but Not Handguns
Why 18-Year-Olds in Texas Can Buy AR-15s but Not Handguns
The massacre at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, highlights disparities in how federal laws regulate rifles and handguns. The shooter bought two rifles days after his 18th birthday.
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Good to know. DEFUND THE POLICE! hahahaha
I kid. I'm curious what duty they're considered to have in the UK regarding the endangering of lives. Same goes for Aus.
Maybe if the threat to their own life wasn't so great (as it now is due to a preponderance of firearms), we could rethink their duty to help save lives.
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An all time classic statement from Boebert on TV news today.... "When 9/11 happened, we didn't ban planes... we secured the cockpits"
So if I'm following her analogy correct... that upon learning about the deadly nature that terrorists could use planes as weapons... we inhibited the terrorists access to their preferred weapons? She sure sounds like she should support gun control.
"When the school shooting happened we didn't ban guns.... we limited their access to literally everyone; not limited to but also including, the people who might want to conduct a shooting in the future."
I always knew that hardcore pubs had real trouble with logic.
So if I'm following her analogy correct... that upon learning about the deadly nature that terrorists could use planes as weapons... we inhibited the terrorists access to their preferred weapons? She sure sounds like she should support gun control.
"When the school shooting happened we didn't ban guns.... we limited their access to literally everyone; not limited to but also including, the people who might want to conduct a shooting in the future."
I always knew that hardcore pubs had real trouble with logic.
As more details come out about the events down in Texas, I have to say that I am disgusted with the state and local leadership there. Blaming the teachers propping open doors to the school instead of blaming the police who refused to go in and save children who were pleading 911 for help to save their lives. The lies that the gun industry (based in the same state) tells the population about how the only way to make children safer is to arm more people.
The bottom circle of hell will be reserved for some of the politicians in that state.
Exactly why the abortion debate is such a F*ing sham. Don't let a Republican representative claim that they care about the lives of children. They do not. They feign concern... but in reality all they care about is being elected and not being told what they can and can't do whilst simultaneously telling others what they can or can't do.
Side note: making a single entrance to a school is the stupidest "idea" I've ever heard if your intent is to make kids safer. Let's make a bottle neck for entrance to the school. So, when the kids are coming in they become an easy target.... and when help is coming in, they become an easy target. Now if a shooter happens to get in (lets say a kid brings a gun in with them) that it's like the Gates of Thermopylae for rescuers, that is, if the rescuers ever decide to nut up and stop the shooter. A bunch of cowardly lions wearing ten gallon hats. Ugh.
The bottom circle of hell will be reserved for some of the politicians in that state.
Exactly why the abortion debate is such a F*ing sham. Don't let a Republican representative claim that they care about the lives of children. They do not. They feign concern... but in reality all they care about is being elected and not being told what they can and can't do whilst simultaneously telling others what they can or can't do.
Side note: making a single entrance to a school is the stupidest "idea" I've ever heard if your intent is to make kids safer. Let's make a bottle neck for entrance to the school. So, when the kids are coming in they become an easy target.... and when help is coming in, they become an easy target. Now if a shooter happens to get in (lets say a kid brings a gun in with them) that it's like the Gates of Thermopylae for rescuers, that is, if the rescuers ever decide to nut up and stop the shooter. A bunch of cowardly lions wearing ten gallon hats. Ugh.
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Whenever they talk about limiting and locking entrances I immediately think of playgrounds. Rarely is a playground in an enclosed courtyard. Your point about bottlenecks is similar.
We do have some unity here for a change. The left and right are both pissed as hell at the police who refused to confront the shooter while he murdered the children. Not sure the chief saying “it was the wrong call” is good enough here.
It's just a rehash of what happened in Florida in 2018
Officers Had No Duty to Protect Students in Parkland Massacre, Judge Rules (Published 2018)
A judge in Florida has tossed out a lawsuit filed by students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, ruling that sheriff’s deputies had no constitutional duty to aid them during the shooting.
If anything it's going to put further distrust into an already distrusted justice system and the local / regional politicians aren't doing anything to make the justice system more reliable.
This is the kind of thing that makes people angry at police across the country. Shooting innocent people and ignoring people in dire need of aid.
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Unfortunately our courts have consistently ruled for well over the past 30 years that state and federal workers have no duty to protect the public even when a direct threat is present to their lives. No clue to what degree these court decisions have on the action or in many cases inaction of those who proclaim “to serve and protect” . The thinking of law enforcement needs to change.It's just a rehash of what happened in Florida in 2018
Officers Had No Duty to Protect Students in Parkland Massacre, Judge Rules (Published 2018)
A judge in Florida has tossed out a lawsuit filed by students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, ruling that sheriff’s deputies had no constitutional duty to aid them during the shooting.www.nytimes.com
If anything it's going to put further distrust into an already distrusted justice system and the local / regional politicians aren't doing anything to make the justice system more reliable.
I'm aware. What I'm saying is that just because the courts rule it, doesn't make it right. They defended slavery for decades, then they defended segregation for a century or so. The problem is that our system of government is set up to be inert. And the inert nature of our system allows clear violations of human ethics to go on for far to long even in the face of broad public outcry.
I’m on your side on this one. How trained police officer with tactical gear and training could stand outside a classroom while children are massacred is beyond me. In fact, it’s something I really can’t comprehend.
They had 19 law enforcement officers there who didn't enter the classroom? Is that right?
I'm not a lawyer, but even if these officers did not have a legal requirement to enter, would it not be the case that they would have a duty to do so as a condition of employment? For example, if you employ a security detail, would you not as an employer have a right to ask those individuals to provide protective services at risk of losing their job?
I'm not a lawyer, but even if these officers did not have a legal requirement to enter, would it not be the case that they would have a duty to do so as a condition of employment? For example, if you employ a security detail, would you not as an employer have a right to ask those individuals to provide protective services at risk of losing their job?
I'm just saying that there was a time in American history when it wouldn't be unfathomable for a mob to pull those police officers out of their houses or off the street and tar and feather them.
If that were me, I don't think I would ever be able to sleep at night due to guilt.
The inert comment certainly applies to the Senate and doing anything to better manage who gets access to assault rifles.
