This is the Democratic Party.
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That was one of the most tragic parts of this political cycle and the last debates in particular.... Trump openly espousing a governmental policy of states rights which was one of the primary factors in most deadly civil conflicts in this nation's history.
Baloney, 6 week limitations eliminates most women realizing they are even pregnant. 14 ban abortions altogether with some exceptions for rape and incest. 4 ban it after 6 weeks. That's 20 states that ban it before the woman even realizes they are pregnant. Most women realize it somewhere between 6 and 12 weeks. So don't throw out this bs faux fact that 75% approve some level of abortions. By choice you have to be in the other 30 states to get an abortion when most women realize they are pregnant.
And that's all before the fact that there are a few Republican states which are still going through prolonged lawsuits which are the only things preventing crappy laws from going through.
The extremes of both parties are wrong on this issue imo. Sadly the chances of a federal law containing access to abortions during a reasonale period frame is slim to none.
Aston is correct in that this shouldn’t be a state by state decision. Pass federal legislation. Until such time it is what it is.
Aston is correct in that this shouldn’t be a state by state decision. Pass federal legislation. Until such time it is what it is.
Yeah it will be almost 50/50 then. Probably 45 states give or take a couple will not allow it at all and/or after 6 weeks, if the legislation makes it past the courts. That'a a whole lot different than the 75% of states allow abortion deceptive statement.
I'm getting tired of hearing about this jumbo, gigantic, huge, monumental interest rate cut.
It's either a normal cut of 1/4 or a large cut of 1/2. Period. Tired of all this hyperbole. A huge rate cut is 1% or 1.5%(which was actually done in the covid period) The 1.5% was massive, and only done in emergency, but 3/4 is a big cut, and 1% is a jumbo cut, not 1/2.
It's either a normal cut of 1/4 or a large cut of 1/2. Period. Tired of all this hyperbole. A huge rate cut is 1% or 1.5%(which was actually done in the covid period) The 1.5% was massive, and only done in emergency, but 3/4 is a big cut, and 1% is a jumbo cut, not 1/2.
the Supreme Court did not rule on abortion; pro or con. They ruled that it was a States Rights issue, not Federal.
Most people don’t understand what a rate cut means. They correlate Fed funds rate cut with lower mortgage rates. Home loan rates are higher this am than they were prior to the announced rate cut yesterday. The ten year bond yield is also higher this am.
Which is a bad decision, and no matter how much Trump lies to you and says that’s what everyone wanted, it wasn’t.
Maybe the Civil War should have acted as a clue that passing certain issues back to the states who are in heavy disagreement doesn’t actually solve issues.
Ironic that history only matters to some when it supports their current political position 
As far as Rowe v Wade the court made the correct “legal” decision imo in finding there is no constitutional protected right to a medical procedure. Even though I am pro choice I recognize the Rowe decision was problematic from a legal standpoint. Which is why I’ve been arguing for years the need for federal law which protects reasonable abortion access. Thus far….crickets
As far as Rowe v Wade the court made the correct “legal” decision imo in finding there is no constitutional protected right to a medical procedure. Even though I am pro choice I recognize the Rowe decision was problematic from a legal standpoint. Which is why I’ve been arguing for years the need for federal law which protects reasonable abortion access. Thus far….crickets
As far as the Fed, I would have rather seen a .25 basis point move. Inflation is still our #1 enemy especially considering out huge debt service load. Adding liquidity to the money supply as well as continued debt based spending increases inflationary pressures. We’ve already seen the concern over the .50 point move in the bond markets.
Federal Law is probably not strong enough. It's too easy to repeal a federal law, or dismember it gradually.Ironic that history only matters to some when it supports their current political position
As far as Rowe v Wade the court made the correct “legal” decision imo in finding there is no constitutional protected right to a medical procedure. Even though I am pro choice I recognize the Rowe decision was problematic from a legal standpoint. Which is why I’ve been arguing for years the need for federal law which protects reasonable abortion access. Thus far….crickets
She said that it was made upon what she believed to be a vulnerable argument, not that the ideals that Roe sought to protect were wrong.
I think the Fed is scared about the economy whipsawing on them and being to slow to adapt. Yes, liquidity could drive up inflation again, but it will also mean that the debt's astronomical growth rate is slightly less bad, and rates are still high vs. what they have been historically for the past 10+ years.
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You will never get language (time limit) both the liberal and right of center states can agree upon so a constitutional amendment isn’t happening. Federal law is your best bet.
You are calling for a nuanced reading and understanding of what RBG. Nuance and a comprehensive understanding of her words is beyond aTUfan's abilities.
If your best bet on such a contentious topic is an inherently precarious social norm made from tenuous compromises then there will always be a lack of surety equivalent to only having a personal freedom being protected ~50% of the time or in some subsection of the country, depending on which party is in power. I don't think you can settle for that in the case such monumental personal freedoms.
I agree that strategically an amendment is unlikely, but a federal law, while better than nothing is still insufficient.
I do want to be able to reach a certain consensus rather than a compromise. It seems like there is a general consensus about abortions in cases of rape, incest, or for the imminent safety of the host. I also believe there is relative agreement about terminations earlier in the pregnancies rather than later, though I think Republican representatives went quite overboard in a number of their states' limits to that time window, past the sentiments of many of the constituents who may have voted for them.
P.S. since the Republican Party is so unabashedly resurrecting zombie political positions like states rights' in this fight, I wouldn't put it past them to try and rehash the Nullification crisis if a federal law on abortion were passed.
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