This is the Democratic Party.

[HuffyCane]

Yes, many of the US electorate are infantile and stupid…. No one seems to have learned the “I could see myself having a beer with him” decision making process made for a bad president.

Agreed everyone who voted for Carter because he reminded them of their Sunday School teacher and against Ford because he came off as their bungling boss who drinks too much at a country club they can never visit was an infant.

A lot of those infants had regrets with Obama as well. The other side for whatever reason decided to nominate another country club type who guaranteed at the outset 10% of his base would never vote for him. And that they did that twice. For reasons nobody will ever understand.

 

[astonmartin708]

Agreed everyone who voted for Carter because he reminded them of their Sunday School teacher and against Ford because he came off as their bungling boss who drinks too much at a country club they can never visit was an infant.

A lot of those infants had regrets with Obama as well. The other side for whatever reason decided to nominate another country club type who guaranteed at the outset 10% of his base would never vote for him. And that they did that twice. For reasons nobody will ever understand.

Ford never deserved the office in the first place, having never won an election. He lost because he didn’t belong there and because he pardoned Nixon who had left the party in shambles.

It had little to do with his persona or Carter’s

 

[Gmoney4WW]

I’m not trying to turn anything or advocate for the man. I’m just telling you they are focus grouping to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. And when they ask undecideds about their candidates kids, the feedback is much more strong in favor of Trump’s family. And that was before Biden’s kid got convicted of buying a gun and giving it to his girlfriend, the one he got addicted to crack, who threw it in a paper sack then left it in a dumpster waiting for kids to find it.

There’s a lot of people who vote for someone based on who they think they most resemble in terms of life experience. It’s how W got elected. People relate more to the Trump family than they do the Biden family notwithstanding the escapades of the father.

So if the man is a porn f..ckg lech then let's test out whose kids rate better, cuz we know he will lose the family man contest, in a head to head. SMH

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Ford never deserved the office in the first place, having never won an election. He lost because he didn’t belong there and because he pardoned Nixon who had left the party in shambles.

It had little to do with his persona or Carter’s

No.

 

[lawpoke87]

So if the man is a porn f..ckg lech then let's test out whose kids rate better, cuz we know he will lose the family man contest, in a head to head. SMH

Always figured Bill Clinton got a pass from chasing anything in a skirt due to who he was married too….or maybe because he was relatable to the average person.

 

[astonmartin708]

Always figured Bill Clinton got a pass from chasing anything in a skirt due to who he was married too….or maybe because he was relatable to the average person.

Or maybe because he was a cogent and effective chief executive. Being decent at your job does help mask a lot of tangential foibles.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Always figured Bill Clinton got a pass from chasing anything in a skirt due to who he was married too….or maybe because he was relatable to the average person.

Or maybe he was relatable to the average man because of the kind of wife he had.

 

[lawpoke87]

Or maybe because he was a cogent and effective chief executive. Being decent at your job does help mask a lot of tangential foibles.

I would argue he was more than decent but point taken. Have to wonder how different his infidelity would be viewed today with the advent of social media. I voted for him and would again. Despite him being a morally flawed individual.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

Agreed everyone who voted for Carter because he reminded them of their Sunday School teacher and against Ford because he came off as their bungling boss who drinks too much at a country club they can never visit was an infant.

A lot of those infants had regrets with Obama as well. The other side for whatever reason decided to nominate another country club type who guaranteed at the outset 10% of his base would never vote for him. And that they did that twice. For reasons nobody will ever understand.

Obama is ethereal professor type. It is a good and bad quality for him.

Hard to argue that we didn't get out financial, crisis okay. Did it take longer than need be? Maybe. It is always wild to me how people gaslight that situation. We had the oldest financial institutions in the country melting down and no one knew just how crap lots of the mortgages were.

Obama wanted to look like a hard ass and go big in aghansistan (BS surge) but he should have dumped the bitch earlier, which I think his instincts were. We should have never listened to petraeus while he was sitting around banging his biographer and our guys were not allowed to go out and mingle among the population and actually learn Poshtun.

We have lost zero in the three years we have been out of there. there is zero strategic value in that hole. I digress

 

[HuffyCane]

Obama is ethereal professor type. It is a good and bad quality for him.

Hard to argue that we didn't get out financial, crisis okay. Did it take longer than need be? Maybe. It is always wild to me how people gaslight that situation. We had the oldest financial institutions in the country melting down and no one knew just how crap lots of the mortgages were.

Obama wanted to look like a hard ass and go big in aghansistan (BS surge) but he should have dumped the bitch earlier, which I think his instincts were. We should have never listened to petraeus while he was sitting around banging his biographer and our guys were not allowed to go out and mingle among the population and actually learn Poshtun.

We have lost zero in the three years we have been out of there. there is zero strategic value in that hole. I digress

For now and because we are paying them and Bin Laden’s relatives between $40 million up to $87 million a week not to kill us or train other people to kill us. Thats what we know about it. Could be more. Much more and spread out.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

so we weere paying al queda related families a minimum of 2 billion a year to not be terrorists. Why does this smell like total BS?

 

[HuffyCane]

so we weere paying al queda related families a minimum of 2 billion a year to not be terrorists. Why does this smell like total BS?

Been going on in one form or another since we started pumping oil in the Middle East. Except when Carter was President. He cut off the payments. So they took hostages until we agreed to start paying them again. Makes you wonder why Hamas took hostages, huh?

In the case of Afghanistan it’s a little more complicated because the bin Laden family has married into the controlling families of the Taliban. And we know they’ve been funneled US dollars since the raid that killed their patriarch.

Most of the payments are continuing blood tribute to the families of Taliban fighters killed in the war funneled through the Taliban controlled national bank. Most of those payments have now exceeded the death benefit of U.S. allied enlisted soldiers.

Other payments are just cash in dollars and Euros that end up in duffel bags and divided up in the rural areas to help them maintain control with the rural clerics.

None of this is really a secret if you talk to people who do this stuff for a living who aren’t American.

Here’s some leftist press coverage on it. There’s more being paid than what they cover. Which is probably by design. They print only what they know ie what they are told.

Probably cheaper than fighting the real war. I’ll let you decide.

Makes you kinda pissed your Uncle can’t get an appointment at the VA? Huh?

U.N. Has Flown $2.9B in Cash to Afghanistan Since Taliban Seized Control

The U.S. State Department has previously said that no U.S. funds went to the militant group, but a new federal report indicates that some taxpayer money has ended up in the Taliban-controlled central bank of Afghanistan.

www.propublica.org

 

[aTUfan]

new Biden policy of illegals married to legals. They have had 10 years to obtain legal status already, so now we reward their inaction. since they are undocumented, how do you measure 10 years?

 

[noble cane]

For now and because we are paying them and Bin Laden’s relatives between $40 million up to $87 million a week not to kill us or train other people to kill us. Thats what we know about it. Could be more. Much more and spread out.

The Barbary Pirates of the modern age...

 

[HuffyCane]

Drip drip drippy do dah. Surprise! Student loan forgiveness actually does cost money.
$145 billion of the new deficit projection of $400 billion is new loan forgiveness.

Hidden down in the fine print of the report is that tax revenues will increase due to the wave of immigration but the government projects less than half of those who have immigrated in the last two years will seek employment or pay taxes.

Student loan relief contributing to 27% jump in projected federal budget deficit, per CBO | CNN Politics

The federal budget deficit will hit $1.9 trillion this fiscal year, according to an updated projection released Tuesday by the Congressional Budget Office. That’s 27% – or $400 billion – larger than the agency estimated in February.

amp.cnn.com

 

[lawpoke87]

Drip drip drippy do dah. Surprise! Student loan forgiveness actually does cost money.
$145 billion of the new deficit projection of $400 billion is new loan forgiveness.

Hidden down in the fine print of the report is that tax revenues will increase due to the wave of immigration but the government projects less than half of those who have immigrated in the last two years will seek employment or pay taxes.

Student loan relief contributing to 27% jump in projected federal budget deficit, per CBO | CNN Politics

The federal budget deficit will hit $1.9 trillion this fiscal year, according to an updated projection released Tuesday by the Congressional Budget Office. That’s 27% – or $400 billion – larger than the agency estimated in February.

amp.cnn.com

1). People are stupid and will still support this crap as they don’t understand the cliff we are approaching. A 2T deficit in a non-crisis time is unprecedented btw. Waiting for WATU thoughts.

2). Revenues may increase from immigration but expenses (state and federal) will also increase as support those who aren’t working and pay to educate their kids. Half employed isn’t a good formula for net gains in revenue.

 

[TU 1978]

1). People are stupid and will still support this crap as they don’t understand the cliff we are approaching. A 2T deficit in a non-crisis time is unprecedented btw. Waiting for WATU thoughts.

2). Revenues may increase from immigration but expenses (state and federal) will also increase as support those who aren’t working and pay to educate their kids. Half employed isn’t a good formula for net gains in revenue.

The cliff of fascism pushed by Tangerine Palpatine is a more dangerous proposition.

 

[lawpoke87]

The cliff of fascism pushed by Tangerine Palpatine is a more dangerous proposition.

There are other alternatives to Trump and Biden. If you understand the consequences of our growing debt and still vote for those who are instituting policies which are further growing the same then I question whether you do fully understand where this is heading ? Lots of suffering ahead when the dollar collapses.

 

[HuffyCane]

There are other alternatives to Trump and Biden. If you understand the consequences of our growing debt and still vote for those who are instituting policies which are further growing the same then I question whether you do fully understand where this is heading ? Lots of suffering ahead when the alliances against the dollar finally begin to collaborate.

FIFY

 

[HuffyCane]

Cliff notes: Dude without a CDL who has been deported 16 times dumps cargo on passing traffic killing another driver.

https://cbsaustin.com/amp/news/nati...gal-migrant-asylum-a seekers-jefferson-county

 

[HuffyCane]

“The sexual assault took place at about 3:30 p.m. Thursday when two schoolmates, a 13-year-old male and a 13-year-old female, were approached by a man in Kissena Park. The man flashed what police described as a "large machete-style knife" and forced the 13-year-old victims to walk for several minutes into a wooded area.”

Migrant arrested in rape of 13-year-old in Queens park

A suspect is in custody in connection with the rape of a 13-year-old girl in a Queens park last week, police told ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

 

[HuffyCane]

These are all stories from the last two days from mainstream media across the country.

People are starting to notice that maybe we might have a problem.


12 year old girl killed randomly by two migrants at a 7-11.

12-year-old found strangled in N. Houston creek was 'caught with the wrong people,' her mom says

Jocelyn Nungaray's family spoke to ABC13 as the search for two persons of interest continued. The girl's mother said her daughter, found strangled, may have been trying to get to safety when she encounter the individuals.

abc13.com

 

[lawpoke87]

So illegal cross the border. Get picked up and we simply let you go on your way without tracking your whereabouts or actions. Not sure I see any incentive to go to a checkpoint and go through the legal process. How many other countries arrest people for illegal entering their country then let them go in said country and fail to keep track of them?

 

[noble cane]

So illegal cross the border. Get picked up and we simply let you go on your way without tracking your whereabouts or actions. Not sure I see any incentive to go to a checkpoint and go through the legal process. How many other countries arrest people for illegal entering their country then let them go in said country and fail to keep track of them?

When I was in Europe last year (france, italy, montenegro, spain, netherlands) the news was filled with violent acts perpetrated by undocumented migrants. Sections of Rome and Paris loomed like armed camps with police and soldiers patrolling with full auto Sigs.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

When I was in Europe last year (france, italy, montenegro, spain, netherlands) the news was filled with violent acts perpetrated by undocumented migrants. Sections of Rome and Paris loomed like armed camps with police and soldiers patrolling with full auto Sigs.

The police always carry weapons like that over there.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

Drip drip drippy do dah. Surprise! Student loan forgiveness actually does cost money.
$145 billion of the new deficit projection of $400 billion is new loan forgiveness.

Hidden down in the fine print of the report is that tax revenues will increase due to the wave of immigration but the government projects less than half of those who have immigrated in the last two years will seek employment or pay taxes.

Student loan relief contributing to 27% jump in projected federal budget deficit, per CBO | CNN Politics

The federal budget deficit will hit $1.9 trillion this fiscal year, according to an updated projection released Tuesday by the Congressional Budget Office. That’s 27% – or $400 billion – larger than the agency estimated in February.

amp.cnn.com

It's weird to me.

Why don't we just get rid of all state supported colleges? I am sick of paying for poor people to go to trade schools and any college for that matter

 

[Gmoney4WW]

People are scouring the news for reports of any death at the hands of an illegal immigrant. I guarantee you every one that happens will get noticed now on murders, etc. At the rate that it has been at during the past year and a half, that puts us at 1/2 a person over for the month.(Present rate for month 2.5. There have been 3 in the last couple of weeks.) One, you don't know when the last person was killed,(before the three) two you don't know when the next person will be killed.

The rate might not be going up, it just might be a very slightly fast month. You can't have 1/2 a death every month. It will gyrate most months between 2 and 3, and some months heaven forbid, between 1 and 4. Everybody will have a cow when it hits 4. But you can take this anecdotal evidence whenever it happens and jump on it, but never come back to it and report that we came in at around 30 for the year.

Like I said, I really can't stand it when people pull anecdotal evidence, and never talk about the real statistics. There is all kinds of stuff like this going on with the rest of the legal citizens, but it is hardly paid any attention. Celia Nungary would have been page 8 news, because she is Hispanic, except for the fact that it was an illegal. Nobody gripes very much about that.

Click bait media. This is not necessarily a sign of anything unusual, unless it continues like this for four months or more. And then even if it doubles back to what it was at it's high point, that's still way less than the murder rate amongst legal citizens. I wonder how many illegal immigrants get murdered by legal citizens. Never mind that though, it doesn't further the brandishing point of us being deathly afraid of illegal immigrants.

Focusing on the economic impact of illegal immigrants is a more valid mode of criticism.

 

[HuffyCane]

I think my point is that this coverage is moving from click based revenue outlets as you suggest, like Fox News, to traditional legacy media. That suggests higher frequency of incidents which haven’t been captured yet in statistical analysis or increased awareness of the issue in the mainstream. The milk carton effect.

As for the economic effects, the governments own statistics document that legal immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than illegal aliens and the general population. And that only half of those who have arrived in the last two years illegally or claiming asylum to bypass immigration limits will be working two years from now.

You can’t borrow $90 billion spending $600 a day per person on housing, free lawyers and social support for someone, give them a prepaid debit card and talk about how $40 in increased sales tax revenues is helping the economy. Especially when a small portion of the same size is raping a teenage girl in a park with people walking by or mocking cameras after they exit the courthouse once they are arrested for attempting to kill a police officer.

Common sense would suggest it makes more sense to incentivize the legal immigration process to help minimize the negative social impacts, as expressed in raw numbers, that inevitably accompany admitting millions of people abruptly.

Most people arent “against illegal aliens.” They are against funding government that is obviously broken and won’t fix itself. The immigration space is a good example of that. The press coverage merely exploits that frustration.

 

[aTUfan]

So illegal cross the border. Get picked up and we simply let you go on your way without tracking your whereabouts or actions. Not sure I see any incentive to go to a checkpoint and go through the legal process. How many other countries arrest people for illegal entering their country then let them go in said country and fail to keep track of them?

dont the people in charge, that allow illegals into the country and then commit crimes, bare some legal responsibility?

 

[noble cane]

The police always carry weapons like that over there.

Maybe. First time i had been back in Europe since the mass migrations began. I remember police like that in airports and in embassy districts, but not patrolling neighborhoods in squads backed by modified Bradleys... i always felt safe in past trips but this one felt like overkill control of an unarmed populace.. more like I was in Mexico or Cartagena than in the jewels of europe..

 

[Gmoney4WW]

I think my point is that this coverage is moving from click based revenue outlets as you suggest, like Fox News, to traditional legacy media. That suggests higher frequency of incidents which haven’t been captured yet in statistical analysis or increased awareness of the issue in the mainstream. The milk carton effect.

As for the economic effects, the governments own statistics document that legal immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than illegal aliens and the general population. And that only half of those who have arrived in the last two years illegally or claiming asylum to bypass immigration limits will be working two years from now.

You can’t borrow $90 billion spending $600 a day per person on housing, free lawyers and social support for someone, give them a prepaid debit card and talk about how $40 in increased sales tax revenues is helping the economy. Especially when a small portion of the same size is raping a teenage girl in a park with people walking by or mocking cameras after they exit the courthouse once they are arrested for attempting to kill a police officer.

Common sense would suggest it makes more sense to incentivize the legal immigration process to help minimize the negative social impacts, as expressed in raw numbers, that inevitably accompany admitting millions of people abruptly.

Most people arent “against illegal aliens.” They are against funding government that is obviously broken and won’t fix itself. The immigration space is a good example of that. The press coverage merely exploits that frustration.

Doesn't matter if it is migrating from click based, to major media or not, it has been known and covered in statistics. How hard is it to track a statistic whose high point has been 62/year. But you go ahead and keep dismissing it, so that you can promote it as a talking point. I'll worry when it hits a whole lot higher statistic than 62/year at it's high point two or three years ago. It starts to becomes worrisome when it hits 300/year, at best. Right now it's at 30.

You can't quit pounding those anecdotal incidences into the ground to try and build up anger/fear/aggravation/talking points can you. You just keep coming back to it. Repeat it enough times, that it doesn't matter if it's a false pretense. It's in everybody's psyche. That's what the media does.

"Especially when a small portion of the same size is raping a teenage girl in a park with people walking by or mocking cameras after they exit the courthouse once they are arrested for attempting to kill a police officer."

Happens many more times with citizens doing the offense, but who cares about that. It's going to happen with any segment of the population. Whether it's redheads, people that shop at home depot, people that don't drink beer, citizens, illegals, etc. But apparently it gets brought up over and over if illegals kill more than one single person, for instance. No matter if it is way below citizens kill rate.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

dont the people in charge, that allow illegals into the country and then commit crimes, bare some legal responsibility?

Yes they must be naked. Do bear hide in the woods.

 

[lawpoke87]

Doesn't matter if it is migrating from click based, to major media or not, it has been known and covered in statistics. How hard is it to track a statistic whose high point has been 62/year. But you go ahead and keep dismissing it, so that you can promote it as a talking point. I'll worry when it hits a whole lot higher statistic than 62/year at it's high point two or three years ago. It starts to becomes worrisome when it hits 300/year, at best. Right now it's at 30.

You can't quit pounding those anecdotal incidences into the ground to try and build up anger/fear/aggravation/talking points can you. You just keep coming back to it. Repeat it enough times, that it doesn't matter if it's a false pretense. It's in everybody's psyche. That's what the media does.

"Especially when a small portion of the same size is raping a teenage girl in a park with people walking by or mocking cameras after they exit the courthouse once they are arrested for attempting to kill a police officer."

Happens many more times with citizens doing the offense, but who cares about that. It's going to happen with any segment of the population. Whether it's redheads, people that shop at home depot, people that don't drink beer, citizens, illegals, etc. But apparently it gets brought up over and over if illegals kill more than one single person, for instance. No matter if it is way below citizens kill rate.

The fact we’re arresting the illegals and then letting them go into the country with no real method to track them is the story here imo and not the rapes and murders. The rapes and murders simply bring to light the failures of our efforts.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

The fact we’re arresting the illegals and then letting them go into the country with no real method to track them is the story here imo and not the rapes and murders. The rapes and murders simply bring to light the failures of our efforts.

A much more valid concern about not tracking them/putting them in jail/deporting them/ etc.

 

[HuffyCane]

The fact we’re arresting the illegals and then letting them go into the country with no real method to track them is the story here imo and not the rapes and murders. The rapes and murders simply bring to light the failures of our efforts.

There’s no method to track them because although the law explicitly states they shall be detained pending adjudication, Congress will not fund detention nor sufficient judges to adjudicate claims. So they are released with promises to appear. Most don’t. Pre-hearing GPS monitoring, thanks to sweetheart litigation is considered detention and also isn’t funded by Congress.

The system is broken. The releases and the crimes that happen as a result are just evidence of government impotence.

Telling people to get a new bumper sticker that says “Guns don’t kill people, illegal immigrants in substantial proportionality to the public at large do” really doesn’t solve the problems. Or prevent murders that wouldn’t happen if we had an effective border protection scheme.

 

[lawpoke87]

There’s no method to track them because although the law explicitly states they shall be detained pending adjudication, Congress will not fund detention nor sufficient judges to adjudicate claims. So they are released with promises to appear. Most don’t. Pre-hearing GPS monitoring, thanks to sweetheart litigation is considered detention and also isn’t funded by Congress.

The system is broken. The releases and the crimes that happen as a result are just evidence of government impotence.

Telling people to get a new bumper sticker that says “Guns don’t kill people, illegal immigrants in substantial proportionality to the public at large do” really doesn’t solve the problems. Or prevent murders that wouldn’t happen if we had an effective border protection scheme.

I admit I know nothing about immigration law. My question is why are people who are entering the country illegally (not going through the proper checkpoints) allowed to stay in the country? What is the advantage of doing things the proper way? I understand this a partly (maybe largely) about votes and political power but the actual mechanics appear broken

 

[aTUfan]

I admit I know nothing about immigration law. My question is why are people who are entering the country illegally (not going through the proper checkpoints) allowed to stay in the country? What is the advantage of doing things the proper way? I understand this a partly (maybe largely) about votes and political power but the actual mechanics appear broken

please sign the guest book on your way in.
no entry until fully veted.

then once here, no gov hand outs.

 

[HuffyCane]

I admit I know nothing about immigration law. My question is why are people who are entering the country illegally (not going through the proper checkpoints) allowed to stay in the country? What is the advantage of doing things the proper way? I understand this a partly (maybe largely) about votes and political power but the actual mechanics appear broken

The first obstacle is most of their countries don’t want to accept the deportations. Whether it’s homeless kids, single moms, or emptying their prisons, they don’t want their citizens back. But certainly entertain that at a price foreign aid price set by them, not us. And the price goes up regularly and can come close to extortion when we are at capacity. And that’s before we pay for charter flights who suddenly double their rates when they see a line at Eagle Pass.

So they can’t stay in the country, to use your words, but there’s no place to send them. It’s why the UK has started doing deals with Commonwealth countries and others like Rwanda to accept asylum seekers while their cases are pending. Maybe folks won’t come and claim asylum if they spend 6 years in Alaska or Guyana waiting for their hearing is the thinking.

Under the current law, the worst that can happen is you get caught and released with a court date years from now or you are deportable. If you are deportable, they have to take you. If they take you, you can voluntarily depart with little or no downside. If you stay and contest, you go back with a five year ban. The guy that killed the motorist mentioned above had been through that process at least four times and was in violation of his most recent ban. He could have been federally charged. Maybe he finally will now that tombstones are involved.

 

[lawpoke87]

The first obstacle is most of their countries don’t want to accept the deportations. Whether it’s homeless kids, single moms, or emptying their prisons, they don’t want their citizens back. But certainly entertain that at a price foreign aid price set by them, not us. And the price goes up regularly and can come close to extortion when we are at capacity. And that’s before we pay for charter flights who suddenly double their rates when they see a line at Eagle Pass.

So they can’t stay in the country, to use your words, but there’s no place to send them. It’s why the UK has started doing deals with Commonwealth countries and others like Rwanda to accept asylum seekers while their cases are pending. Maybe folks won’t come and claim asylum if they spend 6 years in Alaska or Guyana waiting for their hearing is the thinking.

Under the current law, the worst that can happen is you get caught and released with a court date years from now or you are deportable. If you are deportable, they have to take you. If they take you, you can voluntarily depart with little or no downside. If you stay and contest, you go back with a five year ban. The guy that killed the motorist mentioned above had been through that process at least four times and was in violation of his most recent ban. He could have been federally charged. Maybe he finally will now that tombstones are involved.

Amazing with the billions in aid we are sending most of these countries that we can’t exert some leverage over them taking these people back. Maybe subtract the cost they charge directly from their aid packages.

 

[HuffyCane]

Amazing with the billions in aid we are sending most of these countries that we can’t exert some leverage over them taking these people back. Maybe subtract the cost they charge directly from their aid packages.

We are talking major league corruption sometimes tied to the cartels. They want the aid package to go up to include the welcoming costs, not down. Saying you are going to reduce the aid means they close all airports to all the flights. Which they have done. Which backs up the numbers and pretty soon the government is explaining to 60 minutes why teenage girls are pissing in plastic bags outside El Paso instead of toilets. We have some leverage, but not much, especially since the Chinese will write them a check for whatever we withhold.

When you see on TV that the Vice President or the Secretary of Defense or Homeland Security is in the Northern Triangle to discuss multilateral co-operation, that is usually what the meeting is really about. We are there to say we will pay and get assurances on transportation routes and repatriation numbers in exchange for the cash up front. But that only buys us 24 hours of relief, more will enter between ports of entry everyday. The deputation queue will fill back up quickly. Or you turn them loose.

That’s why you hear people talk about push and pull factors and minimizing those. Famine from natural disasters pushes people up. You minimize that by sending aid, though that mostly gets embezzled. Word gets out that an egg farm in Ohio is paying $20 an hour for kids 14 to 17 to work 16 hour days. They do the math and see they will make more in a month than a year in rural Honduras doing similar work, so that pulls them up.

You can’t manage the logistics. Even if you have the money and men, the folks that control this game simply surge and overwhelm all your logistics. Texas got a dose of that with that tiny border rush they handled poorly.

You have to approach it from the standpoint of reducing reasons to come to America and then have a regulatory scheme that disincentizes illegal entry in the interior. We aren’t doing a very good job at either right now. And the system itself prevents complicated trade off that make it unwinnable in the opinion of some,