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The lovely mayor did not show up at the public hearings on the tragedy in NOLA today. She's a piece of work.
The police chief was in attendance but she said she wouldn't be answering any questions.
Lot of angry citizens and peeved city council members at the meeting.
I will be surprised if the police chief keeps her position or doesn't resign.
They have the Super Bowl in four weeks and Mardi Gras three weeks later.
The police chief was in attendance but she said she wouldn't be answering any questions.
Lot of angry citizens and peeved city council members at the meeting.
I will be surprised if the police chief keeps her position or doesn't resign.
They have the Super Bowl in four weeks and Mardi Gras three weeks later.
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I get so tired of republicans idiots saying the official doesn't know what she's saying without even going into the matter, and asking questions. It's just a meme for them. She sounded like she was reading from a script & didn't realize that they didn't put the web address in the speech. You could read that and not realize for a decent while that the web address wasn't there. She didn't sound out of it. She sounded like she read what was in front of her, and mainly concentrated on reading it properly and with confidence, not paying attention to what she was reading as attentively as she should have. Maybe she has mental problems, but she's only 71, and I doubt it.
Meanwhile, Trump blames it on California’s water conservation use for “worthless fish”….
Funny how he only seems to care about the environmental byproducts of industry when it’s a wind turbine.
If you’re keeping score at home birds > fish in Trump land.
….but if he is okay with killing off the fish what are all of the eagles going to eat? Does that mean he’s actually okay with killing the birds too? It’s paradox of douchebaggery.
Funny how he only seems to care about the environmental byproducts of industry when it’s a wind turbine.
If you’re keeping score at home birds > fish in Trump land.
….but if he is okay with killing off the fish what are all of the eagles going to eat? Does that mean he’s actually okay with killing the birds too? It’s paradox of douchebaggery.
Those homes are not really million dollar homes. The land is million dollar land. The home itself is often cheaper.
As far as fish go, the same argument can be made for literally any critical industry…. Everyone thinks they should be allowed to take environmental shortcuts so they can achieve a desired outcome. Who decides that it’s okay to kill fish but not eagles?
The problem with Cali is they won’t clear the brush (fuel). They won’t do control burns (environmental). They won’t retain water in their reservoirs (again environmental). Mayor cut the fire budget by $17M last year. They couldn’t get water to the worst affected areas. Everyone involved in this cluster should lose their jobs…some will but not enough.
The problem is there is not enough water to go around.
The state of prescribed fires doubled between '21 & '23. They are upping their budget from 2.5B between to 4B between now & 2028. They added 16 helicopters and 7 air tankers to their fleet. and doubled their use of drones, and have been utilizing ai to address what to do about it. They have increased their fire fighter budget massively, and are in the midst of hiring 2000 more firefighters over the next five years. Maybe they are not moving fast enough, but they are not sitting on their aSS. Unlike Trump who procedes to blame them, and offer no beneficial advice or federal action/assistance. The blame game doesn't do the situation any benefit.
They were apparently warned
A month before fires, L.A. fire chief warned budget cuts were hampering emergency response
The Los Angeles Fire Department's budget was cut by $17.6 million, about 2%, this fiscal year. The fire chief warned last month it would make it harder to respond to emergencies.
www.cbsnews.com
I'm not talking city budget, this is a far bigger issue than a city budget. This is a state issue, and should be a federal issue as well. Every states insurance will go up now. There should be federal involvement as well. Do you not think there were state firefighters there as well as city. That is addressing it on too low a level. I'm sure city cuts were not good, but they weren't the only issue involved. The responsibility is not just at the city level.They were apparently warned
A month before fires, L.A. fire chief warned budget cuts were hampering emergency response
The Los Angeles Fire Department's budget was cut by $17.6 million, about 2%, this fiscal year. The fire chief warned last month it would make it harder to respond to emergencies.
blah, blah, blah, I have no clue what I'm talking about, it's all the democrats fault, they should have a charity fire department, i add nothing to the conversation, I'm just a greedy old curmudgeon who has nothing better to do, than scream my tired old rants on here over and over., get off of my lawn, I'm just an a0.
I do agree there but the cuts in the city budget fall directly on our good absentee mayor. That money could/should have been used to clear those hillsides. I’m not sure it would have mattered how many fire fighters were there btw. When you fail to clear the dead undergrowth either manually or with controlled burns you have a pending disaster. That falls squarely on the city and the state. They control the environmental restrictions in the city and state. There’s also no excuse for not having water to properly fight those fires. Again…that’s a city and state issue. Many voices were warning of this impending disaster. California ignored them. That’s 100% on them.
LA Wildfires: An Avoidable Tragedy
State efforts to prevent them have been costly and impractical, with grim results.
www.city-journal.org
First, all of the budget cuts that came across most departments went to cover anticipated gaps in revenue.(taxes) And despite those cuts they now believe there will still be a revenue gap of 400M. If they had cut the fire department budget by as much as they reported, it would be a 2% cut. They did increase two budget areas for the police department, and to deal with the homeless problem.
Despite prior reports, it also seems they increased the fire department dept budget as well. This fire department 'budget cut' was manufactured by an ignorant media, without a thorough investigation to find out all of the facts. If this had been discussed with the journalists that covered the budget, they would have probably known this. Nice interdepartmental non communication. There was an allocation of 76 million to pay fire department personnel that was placed in a separate place from the overall budget because contract negotiations were still ongoing. This was placed in a separate fund to deal with the legalities of the negotiations.
So, there was a 56M increase in the fire department budget. Rather than a 2% cut, there was actually a 6.7% increase. I'm sure the fire department was aware of this. Their bitching was probably because they wanted a bigger increase. Politics of bitching about a reduction that was an increase.
www.dailynews.com
Despite prior reports, it also seems they increased the fire department dept budget as well. This fire department 'budget cut' was manufactured by an ignorant media, without a thorough investigation to find out all of the facts. If this had been discussed with the journalists that covered the budget, they would have probably known this. Nice interdepartmental non communication. There was an allocation of 76 million to pay fire department personnel that was placed in a separate place from the overall budget because contract negotiations were still ongoing. This was placed in a separate fund to deal with the legalities of the negotiations.
So, there was a 56M increase in the fire department budget. Rather than a 2% cut, there was actually a 6.7% increase. I'm sure the fire department was aware of this. Their bitching was probably because they wanted a bigger increase. Politics of bitching about a reduction that was an increase.
FACTCHECK: Was the LAFD budget cut? No, it actually increased. Here’s how.
Critics on social media have alleged that Mayor Karen Bass cut the city fire department’s budget by $23 million this year.
www.dailynews.com
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I don't know, you'd have to ask her or the Los Angelos Daily News about that. And she talked about that money allowed to be used later on, after the negotiations. I think it was semantics.
Even if there were a 2% cut, I doubt it would significantly affect what was happening, as she said.
They’ve been telling people not to build in these areas because of this risk for more than 50 years before the phrase “climate change” entered the lexicon.
It’s no different than building in a FEMA flood zone then wondering why your million dollar home is under water.
No amount of preparation or environmental management could have mitigated this damage.
That said, don’t put a clown show on TV.
Also, let’s hear the plan to reduce red tape during the rebuild and ensure the availability of building materials without the cost of dry wall tripling in Iowa.
Thanks, I’ll hang up and listen.
It’s no different than building in a FEMA flood zone then wondering why your million dollar home is under water.
No amount of preparation or environmental management could have mitigated this damage.
That said, don’t put a clown show on TV.
Also, let’s hear the plan to reduce red tape during the rebuild and ensure the availability of building materials without the cost of dry wall tripling in Iowa.
Thanks, I’ll hang up and listen.
Some yes, some no. Some were dropped by State Farm due to this risk and some folks didn’t use another carrier or the carrier of last resort. Many will lose everything.
Maybe they had been putting it off for years, and it couldn't be put off any longer.
"Fire season in southern California is generally thought to stretch from May to October - but the state's governor, Gavin Newsom, has pointed out earlier that blazes had become a perennial issue. "There's no fire season," he said. "It's fire year." "
LA fires: What's happening in Los Angeles, and what caused the wildfires?
Everything you need to know about the blazes that have forced thousands to leave their homes.
www.bbc.com
If you are talking about her reading 'url' as a website, yes I saw it. I thought it was a faux pas that shouldn't have been made. But it wasn't unforgivable, as long as they got it up on the screen shortly afterwords.
Blaming water issues on "worthless fish" is as accurate as his claiming the US citizens and vets who blew the Tesla truck outside his hotel or ran down people New Orleans were 'migrants". Trump just says s**t, and paying attention to it is a waste of time.
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What brush are you talking about? Have you seen these hillsides? It’s not forest undergrowth we’re talking about
How many control burns did they do in the LA area, specifically the are that is now Topanga State Park during the 1910's, 20's, 30's, 40's, 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80's?
They have a whole ocean right next door to source water from.
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I’m in Southern California several times a year for soccer. So yes, I’m very familiar. They said, not being able to get water to those fires was probably the biggest failure. It being more aggressive with clearing undergrowth was also a problem . Watching the fire chief and mayor go after one another has been great theater btw
How red tape strangled California forest management before LA fires
"Mother nature doesn't wait for paperwork."
www.newsweek.com
Funny that for more than 80 years of that area being populated, they basically didn’t clear the brush on those hillsides and they barely had an issue….I’m in Southern California several times a year for soccer. So yes, I’m very familiar. They said, not being able to get water to those fires was probably the biggest failure. It being more aggressive with clearing undergrowth was also a problem . Watching the fire chief and mayor go after one another has been great theater btw
How red tape strangled California forest management before LA fires
"Mother nature doesn't wait for paperwork."
It’s ironic that you these fires against lackadaisical human intervention, but humans hadn’t been intervening in any of that for more than a century and never saw the frequency or magnitude of these burns in that area. You can’t seem to precisely put your finger on why they might see more fires there now than they did in 1930…… and it’s not brush control or water maintenance because they weren’t doing that then to any great degree either.
You want to compare the density of houses in those hill in 2025 compared to 1930?
I think the ridiculousness of the quotes actions by from people say a lot about who they are
We have learned that the fire budget was increased not decreased.
Karen Bass probably spent LA money to go Africa being with the president of Ghana. She was completely frozen when asked about it
Trump acted like northern CA could save it. That is total BS.
Underbrush and controlled fires from national fires could have saved them. BS
We know for some reasons the water system was totally jacked there. Why couldn't we get water out? That is BS. This is a total failure
Where is the palisades reservoirs? I am guessing it might have run out.
One Republican congressmen is talking about putting "changing Policies in CA before they get federal help." Could you imagine how nuts Elon, right wing Twitter and Fox would be going if someone on the left said something like that about Florida, TN or NC ? They would make it into a thing about how sick people are on "the left" And not just how the congressmen is sick.
We have learned that the fire budget was increased not decreased.
Karen Bass probably spent LA money to go Africa being with the president of Ghana. She was completely frozen when asked about it
Trump acted like northern CA could save it. That is total BS.
Underbrush and controlled fires from national fires could have saved them. BS
We know for some reasons the water system was totally jacked there. Why couldn't we get water out? That is BS. This is a total failure
Where is the palisades reservoirs? I am guessing it might have run out.
One Republican congressmen is talking about putting "changing Policies in CA before they get federal help." Could you imagine how nuts Elon, right wing Twitter and Fox would be going if someone on the left said something like that about Florida, TN or NC ? They would make it into a thing about how sick people are on "the left" And not just how the congressmen is sick.
Southern CA has serious water issues. So does AZ. It might be even worse in phoenix and other areas.
you build houses on top of each other. They are built of out flammable materials and it is so dry. This can go fast.
Honestly this could be really interesting in a place like denver too. Everyone builds out of these cheap
totally flammable places on top of each other in a very dry area.
Florida is a disaster because we have so many people living in swamp with hurricanes. What did you think was going to happen?
I also of the belief that global warming is a thing and these 100 year storms are going to become more of a thing. Choose where you want to live accordingly.
you build houses on top of each other. They are built of out flammable materials and it is so dry. This can go fast.
Honestly this could be really interesting in a place like denver too. Everyone builds out of these cheap
totally flammable places on top of each other in a very dry area. Florida is a disaster because we have so many people living in swamp with hurricanes. What did you think was going to happen?
I also of the belief that global warming is a thing and these 100 year storms are going to become more of a thing. Choose where you want to live accordingly.
My friends in the Nature Conservancy in the PNW point out that as forests are cut down for timber and then regrow, underlying "brush" does become a problem. The forest management policy they support is for controlled, regular timber harvesting (not clear cutting) to generate the revenue needed to pay for clearing the brush in regrowing timber areas. The problem with brush is it can burn much quicker and hotter than old growth timber, even to the point of sterilizing the soil making regrowth take longer. I'm sure the above is a simplified version; it's a complex issue. (Which means that Trump has no clue, interest in or understanding of it.)
