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So who will Trump pick to run with?

I'm not arguing with the data. It's no doubt correct. I would argue that the relationship with prison, dropouts, etc has more to do with the fact that the African American community rarely puts a high value on education. The fatherless children is just a byproduct of that neglect.

Also, the family system in that community is a self-perpetuating cycle:

Some high school child who doesn't have a dad gets a girl pregnant, and since he hasn't been brought up thinking there's a way out (other than crime, drugs, music, or sports) He eventually gets in trouble, and goes to prison.... leaving another child without a father.

Also a problem, is the fact that a lot of African American communities exist in locations that aren't notable for having tons of low skill jobs. There are always minimum-wage jobs, but those don't really fix anyone's problems.

If we put a greater value on education and tradecraft (tech schools) our society would be better as a whole.

Well said. My wish is that the black political leaders would focus on these issues and solutions rather than the blame game. The only fix to the problems plaguing our inner cities and black communities must come from within. Need a change of culture. One where getting an education, being a good father, working a job, are respected. Tough love from our elected officials isn't always easy but often in the best interest of those most needing the same.
 
My favorite white privilege is being able to believe anything I want without being called a traitor to my race
 
If we put a greater value on education and tradecraft (tech schools) our society would be better as a whole.

Germany has developed an apprenticeship kodel to develop tech skills that enable it to pay high wages, keep its manufacturing base, and maintain a better social safety net.
 
You're a traitor to your race!
Lol touche. And I was actually only mostly right. I forgot, if you spend a little time on twitter you'll find some of Trump's alt-right weirdos who think anyone that likes legal immigration is causing a "white genocide." Yes, really.
 
Germany has developed an apprenticeship kodel to develop tech skills that enable it to pay high wages, keep its manufacturing base, and maintain a better social safety net.

That would be called socialism by most on this board.
Well said. My wish is that the black political leaders would focus on these issues and solutions rather than the blame game. The only fix to the problems plaguing our inner cities and black communities must come from within. Need a change of culture. One where getting an education, being a good father, working a job, are respected. Tough love from our elected officials isn't always easy but often in the best interest of those most needing the same.

Come from within, tough love? Most black school systems can barely keep their doors open for lack of funding, you are overlooking the fact that most majority black school systems operate on a fraction of the funding as their suburban, largely white, well funded districts do. Educational upbringing is simply not a level playing field in the United States, when property taxes in a individual school district dictates what kind of educational funding the children living in said district will have, leading to wholly different educational opportunities and support systems. Looks to me that tough love has always been enacted in this country relating to educational funding, with results reflecting that funding.
 
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That would be called socialism by most on this board.


Come from within, tough love? Most black school systems can barely keep their doors open for lack of funding, you are overlooking the fact that most majority black school systems operate on a fraction of the funding as their suburban, largely white, well funded districts do. Educational upbringing is simply not a level playing field in the United States, when property taxes in a individual school district dictates what kind of educational funding the children living in said district will have, leading to wholly different educational opportunities and support systems. Looks to me that tough love has always been enacted in this country relating to educational funding, with results reflecting that funding.

I cite the need for education in practically every post addressing the issues in black communities. I also understand that funding isn't equal between school districts. While more money is certainly needed throwing money at a perceived problem without addressing the core issues at play will and has done little in way of progress. I don't know teachers in the large inner cities but I do have family members and friends who teach at what I would call high risk schools within the TPS system. While they don't have the technology and bells and whistles their piers in say Jenks have they do have sufficient text books and supplies to teach. If you ask them what their biggest obstacle in teaching in these schools are they to a man have the same answer....lack of parental support which feeds down to a lack of value and effort put on education by their students. To be fair when 7 out of 10 kids in your class are being raised by only their mother, those moms are probably a little overwhelmed. The cycle must be stopped.

I wouldn't call my approach "tough love" btw. I would call it a new approach to replace a failed one. An honest conversation based on statistics and what works in other communities. I'm not sure how anyone can look at those fatherless children stats and not be heartbroken. Twice as likely to end up in prison. 71% of high school dropouts. 70% of juveniles in state run correction facilities. Where are the black leaders screaming about this? Until we change the culture and value family, education, work, etc...nothing will change. Do we need more money in education and job programs...yes. Will it matter if we don't change cultural values...not much.
 
I cite the need for education in practically every post addressing the issues in black communities. I also understand that funding isn't equal between school districts. While more money is certainly needed throwing money at a perceived problem without addressing the core issues at play will and has done little in way of progress. I don't know teachers in the large inner cities but I do have family members and friends who teach at what I would call high risk schools within the TPS system. While they don't have the technology and bells and whistles their piers in say Jenks have they do have sufficient text books and supplies to teach. If you ask them what their biggest obstacle in teaching in these schools are they to a man have the same answer....lack of parental support which feeds down to a lack of value and effort put on education by their students. To be fair when 7 out of 10 kids in your class are being raised by only their mother, those moms are probably a little overwhelmed. The cycle must be stopped.

I wouldn't call my approach "tough love" btw. I would call it a new approach to replace a failed one. An honest conversation based on statistics and what works in other communities. I'm not sure how anyone can look at those fatherless children stats and not be heartbroken. Twice as likely to end up in prison. 71% of high school dropouts. 70% of juveniles in state run correction facilities. Where are the black leaders screaming about this? Until we change the culture and value family, education, work, etc...nothing will change. Do we need more money in education and job programs...yes. Will it matter if we don't change cultural values...not much.

One thing, I think decriminalizing marijuana (while still heavily regulating it) would actually help a lot of young black males stay out of prison. It wouldn't solve the problem completely, but it would certainly help. On the other hand it might further an apathetic attitude within those communities.

Hopefully a full scale war on ethnic stagnation could spur the African American community to become more valuable citizens. Improving the attitude towards education (which means throwing $$$ into impoverished communities) would lead to a larger number of jobs available to black youth, and removing some of the pitfalls that seem to occur along the way (minor drug violations that end up casting people down negative paths or the over-reliance on athletics)
 
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That would be called socialism by most on this board.

A lot of what other countries do that works would be called 'socialism' or just plain ignored here. In most cases it would because no one took the time to understand how those programs work. Not Invented Here is still a barrier for most Americans in looking for solutions to problems that other countries have dealt with better. Lack of curiosity, xenophobia, sense of superiority, entrenched interests in status quo, laziness? Go figure.
 
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... back to who the candidates are going to choose as a running mate...

As far as Trump goes, I have NO idea. I mean, he could choose the hamburgler and it wouldn't surprise me.

For Hillary it's looking more and more like Elizabeth Warren the Massachusetts Senator by way of Oklahoma City. I think Warren (who became one of the most cited business lawyers in the US during her time as a Harvard Law professor) would destroy Trump on economics. I think it's funny that Trump, when asked about the US defaulting the other day said, "I know a lot about debt. Probably more than anybody." I immediately remember reading how Warren's specialty was bankruptcy law, and immediately thought about how much she could eviscerate Trump and his multiple business failures.

It would be funny to have Mary Fallin vs. Elizabeth Warren on the debate stage. Two 'Oklahoma Women'. It would would end up being pretty comical if you ask me.
 
Trump will likely get someone looking to get back into the spotlight and thus wouldnt see him as toxic. Newt Gingrich seems like a possibility
 
Trump needs to choose someone heavy on political experience. Hillary is the opposite imo and needs to pick someone with real world business experience. People like Elizabeth Warren who have never held what I would call a real business world job aren't a good match for Hillary imo. We govern in the real world not academia.
 
Trump needs to choose someone heavy on political experience. Hillary is the opposite imo and needs to pick someone with real world business experience. People like Elizabeth Warren who have never held what I would call a real business world job aren't a good match for Hillary imo. We govern in the real world not academia.
I agree on the first point. I think Warren's business acumen is quite impressive. That's why I like her. I wish it was her that was running instead of Hillary (so do a lot of other people as well) Also, the Democrats traditionally pick their VP's out of the Senate so it would make sense. She would also help reincorporate the Bernie progressives who really don't like Clinton. The only problem she really has is that she's not from a swing state.
 
Maybe I've missed the boat here. I wasn't aware that she had any real business experience which would give her any type of keen insight into how things actually work outside of academia. What is it about her that impresses you on the business side?
 
I agree on the first point. I think Warren's business acumen is quite impressive. That's why I like her. I wish it was her that was running instead of Hillary (so do a lot of other people as well) Also, the Democrats traditionally pick their VP's out of the Senate so it would make sense. She would also help reincorporate the Bernie progressives who really don't like Clinton. The only problem she really has is that she's not from a swing state.

The last line probably sums up why she won't join the ticket, but Hillary could announce her as her Secretary of the Treasury.

People seem to forget that the only way for a candidate to have 'clean record' is to not have had to make tough decisions that one is responsible to the public for. (aka Trump, Rubio and Cruz). Political campaigns these days try to make a candidate's biggest strength their biggest liability: think Swiftboating or birth certificates. Hillary's considerable experience will be turned into a litany of bad mistakes by someone who has never even been close to those responsibilities.
 
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Hillary's biggest weakness isn't those tough decision but her penchant for telling non-truths when those tough decisions go south imo. Everyone makes bad decisions. People with integrity own those decisions instead of deflecting blame or going into cover up mode.
 
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Maybe I've missed the boat here. I wasn't aware that she had any real business experience which would give her any type of keen insight into how things actually work outside of academia. What is it about her that impresses you on the business side?
Read her wiki. She wasn't a business mogul, but she has been involved in or in charge of a great deal of regulatory business operations and entities. She's a member of the committee of Banking, Housing, & Urban affairs and she's the ranking member of the subcommittee on economic policy. She knows what she's talking about as far as macroeconomics goes.
 
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Hillary's biggest weakness isn't those tough decision but her penchant for telling non-truths when those tough decisions go south imo. Everyone makes bad decisions. People with integrity own those decisions instead of deflecting blame or going into cover up mode.
Name a politician with a long career in our system who has. My view is that all executives make mistakes, but our adversarial political system makes admitting them an impossibilty.
 
Read her wiki. She wasn't a business mogul, but she has been involved in or in charge of a great deal of regulatory business operations and entities. She's a member of the committee of Banking, Housing, & Urban affairs and she's the ranking member of the subcommittee on economic policy. She knows what she's talking about as far as macroeconomics goes.

It doesn't take a career running a business to observe the risks, abuses and inequities in our financial system. It does take guts to take those on.
 
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