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[TulsaAM]

Everything I have heard from pretty reliable sources says exactly the opposite of what you say. In fact, I have been surprised with the amount of money being thrown at TU sports recently.

I would like that to be true. I have been a fan, a real fanatic, of TU basketball since 1980 when I was 12. I went to TU over Yale and Dartmouth so I could be in the band for basketball games. I was so rowdy I got a technical foul called once and J.D. Barnett chewed the band director out and I was suspended. I was in the press box when Penn caught the pass that would lead to TU beating Texas A&M. I was in the north stands for the Southern Miss field goal in the snow. I went deaf in the Don Rey during the UTEP game in the Tourney. The list goes on...

That is the level of dedicated fan the University of Tulsa administration has driven to apathy. Do not tell me I am a fair weather fan. Do not tell me I am a negative nancy. I was a 10k a year supporter for decades who WALKED AWAY 5 years ago because of the pure idiocy of the Administration of this University. When they prove they can hire coaches in the sports that MATTER, when they prove they can put a good product on the field, THEN I'll belive all this BS I am hearing about money and wanting to build the programs.

Until then, I'll post about wins, losses, frustrations and skepticism on this board. Like I have since the AZ board days. For now... get OFF my lawn! 😃

 

[TulsaAM]

I don't have any direct experience but I think NIL is overrated as an influence. There have always been major differences between richer and less rich schools, that hasn't changed. If the interwebs are right, Big 10 schools got $60m last year and AAC schools got $10m. It's not like some teams suddenly got rich and upset an established system. If NIL was the main factor, then you'd expect the top 25 to be filled with rich schools, and that isn't the case. If anything, there seems to be more variability this year than in prior years. I'm not saying NIL is unimportant, just that I don't think we're worse off in this system than we were before NIL. I think with the right coach, we can compete for AAC championships.

TU is waaaaay more than a single coach away from competing.

 

[chito_and_leon]

TU is waaaaay more than a single coach away from competing.

It depends on what you mean by competing. I think if we'd hired a good coach when we hired Wilson, we could have gone 7-5 or 8-4 this year. If you're talking about winning the AAC and being in the playoff, then sure. BUT, with a terrible coach, nothing else matters. A good coach is necessary to start building. It's always darkest right before you flush or whatever the saying is, but I think the events of the last several years have you down too far.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

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I just love the Panic Stricken segment of our fanbase. Who needs enemies with friends like these. 😍

 

[chito_and_leon]

TU is waaaaay more than a single coach away from competing.

You also have to remember that when things are going bad, the people in charge always look for excuses. Nobody wants to say "I did a terrible job" so they come up with explanations/excuses. The challenge is understanding how much of the explanations/excuses is true and how much is just people trying to avoid accountability.

 

[TulsaAM]

It depends on what you mean by competing. I think if we'd hired a good coach when we hired Wilson, we could have gone 7-5 or 8-4 this year. If you're talking about winning the AAC and being in the playoff, then sure. BUT, with a terrible coach, nothing else matters. A good coach is necessary to start building. It's always darkest right before you flush or whatever the saying is, but I think the events of the last several years have you down too far.

Now you need coaching and money to pay skills players. I completely disagree that NIL isn't a key. Why would a mid-level o-line recruit come to TU over OU? To start instead of being a backup, right? Well, now I can get paid to ride the pine. I wasn't going to make the NFL anyway.

 

[Tulsafanzz]

I would like that to be true. I have been a fan, a real fanatic, of TU basketball since 1980 when I was 12. I went to TU over Yale and Dartmouth so I could be in the band for basketball games. I was so rowdy I got a technical foul called once and J.D. Barnett chewed the band director out and I was suspended. I was in the press box when Penn caught the pass that would lead to TU beating Texas A&M. I was in the north stands for the Southern Miss field goal in the snow. I went deaf in the Don Rey during the UTEP game in the Tourney. The list goes on...

That is the level of dedicated fan the University of Tulsa administration has driven to apathy. Do not tell me I am a fair weather fan. Do not tell me I am a negative nancy. I was a 10k a year supporter for decades who WALKED AWAY 5 years ago because of the pure idiocy of the Administration of this University. When they prove they can hire coaches in the sports that MATTER, when they prove they can put a good product on the field, THEN I'll belive all this BS I am hearing about money and wanting to build the programs.

Until then, I'll post about wins, losses, frustrations and skepticism on this board. Like I have since the AZ board days. For now... get OFF my lawn! 😃

I’ve been a fan since around 1970, when a neighborhood friend’s dad was an TU assistant basketball coach & I got to sit on the end of the bench and be a ball boy for some games. I remember watching Steve Largent making catches at Skelly Stadium. I’ve had season tickets in both sports for 30+ years. I have been extremely frustrated for many years with the lack of consistent support for TU athletics from the university administration.

But recently, including the last few days , I have heard some surprising stories of how much TU admin & donors are committed to athletics. It’s made the very encouraging email that Justin Moore sent out even more encouraging.

 

[astonmartin708]

I’ve been a fan since around 1970, when a neighborhood friend’s dad was an TU assistant basketball coach & I got to sit on the end of the bench and be a ball boy for some games. I remember watching Steve Largent making catches at Skelly Stadium. I’ve had season tickets in both sports for 30+ years. I have been extremely frustrated for many years with the lack of consistent support for TU athletics from the university administration.

But recently, including the last few days , I have heard some surprising stories of how much TU admin & donors are committed to athletics. It’s made the very encouraging email that Justin Moore sent out even more encouraging.

Yeah well I have you both beat! I've been watching TU since the days of The Presbyterian School for Indian Girls! Let me tell you.... those girls could teach these kids a thing or two about sprinting (where do you think Jim Thorpe learned it all from?)

I was in the stands on leave from the second Great War to see Frnka and Schledosky beat the Yellow Jackets in the Orange Bowl....

I gave Glenn Dobbs the idea to start passing the ball more when I threw a twinkie at him from the stands.

Nolan Richardson had an affair with my third wife (damn that poka dot tie and damn you too Beatrice!) Why do you think he took the Arkansas job?

I helped build the North Campus with my bare hands and personally donated the trough urinals in Skelly. (I'll be damned if they'll ever get me to call it "Chapman"... )

 

[drboobay]

Ha.

 

[astonmartin708]

Ha.

(Just thought I would lighten the mood a bit and end the pissing contest)

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

I’m not saying “I know all”, but if you knew what I know, you’d probably just stay quiet, 1978.

You were doing ok until the “It’s Brennan!” post. That one didn’t go so well.

 

[chito_and_leon]

Now you need coaching and money to pay skills players. I completely disagree that NIL isn't a key. Why would a mid-level o-line recruit come to TU over OU? To start instead of being a backup, right? Well, now I can get paid to ride the pine. I wasn't going to make the NFL anyway.

Do you think Indiana and Boise St. have top 10 NIL programs in FB? Because they're in the top 10. Do you think Illinois, Iowa St., Syracuse and Army are in the top 25 largest NILs? As Twain said, “it ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.“ You subscribe to the heliocentric theory of NIL. Sounds good but not supported by reality.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Do you think Indiana and Boise St. have top 10 NIL programs in FB? Because they're in the top 10. Do you think Illinois, Iowa St., Syracuse and Army are in the top 25 largest NILs? As Twain said, “it ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.“ You subscribe to the heliocentric theory of NIL. Sounds good but not supported by reality.

Yes, except Army. Army has other attributes specific only to military schools that lift them up for short periods.

 

[chito_and_leon]

Yes, except Army. Army has other attributes specific only to military schools that lift them up for short periods.

Sure, but they don't have a long history of success. They've always had those attributes and it didn't matter before. As you say, maybe this is fools' gold but still not in line with the theory offered by the OP. Put another way, their roster is not filled with quality NFL level talent and they're succeeding anyway, which directly contradicts the OP's theory that NIL means that "poor" teams can't win because they won't be able to get enough talent.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Sure, but they don't have a long history of success. They've always had those attributes and it didn't matter before. As you say, maybe this is fools' gold but still not in line with the theory offered by the OP. Put another way, their roster is not filled with quality NFL level talent and they're succeeding anyway, which directly contradicts the OP's theory that NIL means that "poor" teams can't win because they won't be able to get enough talent.

A nice sized nil fund allows you to use the moneyball practice to acquire non NFL talent and put together a decent team.

 

[TUFan1981]

You were doing ok until the “It’s Brennan!” post. That one didn’t go so well.

That’s fair

 

[TUGrad06]

Gosh, I can't believe we're where we are...and SMU, who we would beat and have a rivalry with, is now hanging with Clemson in a P5 Championship game. Ugh.

 

[I.I.]

UIW beat Villanova so they go another week.

 

[Weatherdemon]

This whole fall sports season is a mess.

My GiveOSh1t meter for TU athletics is nearing 0.

I skipped Giving Day since the 3 primary sports we like are bad. At least women’s basketball has a good coach despite their struggles to start this season. I expect they’ll continue to improve this year.

They are my Obi-Wan right now.
I have no other hope.

 

[TulsaAM]

Yeah well I have you both beat! I've been watching TU since the days of The Presbyterian School for Indian Girls! Let me tell you.... those girls could teach these kids a thing or two about sprinting (where do you think Jim Thorpe learned it all from?)

I was in the stands on leave from the second Great War to see Frnka and Schledosky beat the Yellow Jackets in the Orange Bowl....

I gave Glenn Dobbs the idea to start passing the ball more when I threw a twinkie at him from the stands.

Nolan Richardson had an affair with my third wife (damn that poka dot tie and damn you too Beatrice!) Why do you think he took the Arkansas job?

I helped build the North Campus with my bare hands and personally donated the trough urinals in Skelly. (I'll be damned if they'll ever get me to call it "Chapman"... )

Okay damnit... I'll get off YOUR lawn...

 

[TulsaAM]

Do you think Indiana and Boise St. have top 10 NIL programs in FB? Because they're in the top 10. Do you think Illinois, Iowa St., Syracuse and Army are in the top 25 largest NILs? As Twain said, “it ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.“ You subscribe to the heliocentric theory of NIL. Sounds good but not supported by reality.

None of what you just said affects my argument. Tulsa has no NIL money to pay so that would make them dead last in a money driven game. The stories that players were promised but didn't get any money from a nonexistent well doesn't help either. The program, is barely breathing...

 

[TulsaAM]

Sure, but they don't have a long history of success. They've always had those attributes and it didn't matter before. As you say, maybe this is fools' gold but still not in line with the theory offered by the OP. Put another way, their roster is not filled with quality NFL level talent and they're succeeding anyway, which directly contradicts the OP's theory that NIL means that "poor" teams can't win because they won't be able to get enough talent.

Teams that players cannot transfer from or to have cohesion which is what NIL has destroyed for teams like Tulsa. Army plays in a real bad conference with some poor teams that padded their win total. They got blown out by the only good team on their schedule.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

None of what you just said affects my argument. Tulsa has no NIL money to pay so that would make them dead last in a money driven game. The stories that players were promised but didn't get any money from a nonexistent well doesn't help either. The program, is barely breathing...

That isn't true. We have nil money to pay, and we will pay it next year. We paid it this year to the basketball team, and both the football & basketball team get it next year. We're just a little late to the party, but we now have money to pay the larger football team.

The money that's there for next year is what they might have been told they would take it from for this year's team. I think there were vague promises that they would try to pull from that well, for the players this year. But I don't know, since I wasn't there.

We may be in the bottom 20% but we are certainly not dead last. We are not last in a money driven game, just a little slow to find and arrange the funds.

There is information on the pay side being discussed right now. But we aren't discussing it on this side, for reaaons of privacy for the university.

 

[TULOYAL]

Do you think Indiana and Boise St. have top 10 NIL programs in FB? Because they're in the top 10. Do you think Illinois, Iowa St., Syracuse and Army are in the top 25 largest NILs? As Twain said, “it ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.“ You subscribe to the heliocentric theory of NIL. Sounds good but not supported by reality.

I would think Illinois is in the top 25 of NIL. Especially if you include basketball.

 

[TUGrad06]

Soooo.....

 

[TUGrad06]

Are we on our sloppy 10th choice now? No coach a few weeks away from the off-season...I'm starting to think AM is right.

 

[jimlonergan]

Northwestern signed a really good 20 person class up here in Chicago. Headline quote from Coach Braun was $0 dollars NIL offered. Interesting!

 

[TulsaGrad07]

So is Switzer technically running the team and doing all the requisite head coaching / recruiting duties while the search continues?

 

[T_Hans]

So is Switzer technically running the team and doing all the requisite head coaching / recruiting duties while the search continues?

Yes

 

[lawpoke87]

Northwestern signed a really good 20 person class up here in Chicago. Headline quote from Coach Braun was $0 dollars NIL offered. Interesting!

They were ranked 16th in the Big10. Hard to compete without NIL

 

[jimlonergan]

They were ranked 16th in the Big10. Hard to compete without NIL

They beat Utah just last season in bowl. No QB this year did them in.

 

[TUGrad06]

Pretty sure we are now the scrawny kid no coach wants to pick for their kick ball team at recess.

 

[Tulsa Productions]

Clint Killough - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[chito_and_leon]

I would think Illinois is in the top 25 of NIL. Especially if you include basketball.

You're right on, lots of NIL for BB and near last for FB, acc to the interwebs. But FB is top 25...

https://www.news-gazette.com/newsle...cle_7d9c2076-714c-11ef-986e-1fbc158b034f.html

 

[chito_and_leon]

Pretty sure we are now the scrawny kid no coach wants to pick for their kick ball team at recess.

I think what we're seeing is a hard lesson in "hiring a coach for other schools isn't the same as hiring a coach for Texas A&M".

 

[chito_and_leon]

Teams that players cannot transfer from or to have cohesion which is what NIL has destroyed for teams like Tulsa. Army plays in a real bad conference with some poor teams that padded their win total. They got blown out by the only good team on their schedule.

So you're saying that if we went 11-1, won the conference championship and our only loss was to the #6 team in the country, you'd say we're not competitive? I'm afraid your emotions have completely overwhelmed your reason. What about the teams other than Army that are doing well with smaller NILs? Please, let's try to deal with facts here and not just histrionics. The idea that schools with smaller NILs can't compete is just not supported by the facts. Sure, it's harder, but it's not impossible, and I think not harder than life was before when rich schools already got $30m or $50m more than less rich schools.

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

Clinton Killough (born June 11, 1993) is an American football coach who is the head football coach at Tulsa.

Updated by someone calling themself UIWFan1983 who joined Wikipedia 38 minutes ago.

 

[TU Pilot]

Updated by someone calling themself UIWFan1983 who joined Wikipedia 38 minutes ago.

Probably Clint. Wanted to make sure his wiki is accurate.

 

[TULSARISING]

If it’s him, this is a great hire imo

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

Wikipedia update by SpectralCat:


Clinton Killough (born June 11, 1993) is an American football coach who is definitely not the head football coach at Tulsa yet.