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Ryan Walters - OK Schools and National Embarrassment

A very basic explanation. Higher interest rates increase the cost of borrowing. Which in turn leads to less borrowing which in turn leads to less money inflows into the economy. Which then leads to a decrease demand for goods and services which in turn leads to decreasing price pressures on those goods and services. Probably the most times I’ve used the word “which” in any post.
 
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Yeah, I don't think this is true. A lot of this is still driven by what happened when the economy was recovering from the COVID shutdown. People who lost jobs during the shutdown held out for new jobs that paid more, especially in the service sector. When the economy reopened and a bunch of people all of a sudden were making more money, well those service industries raised their prices. And of course combined with a supply chain that was put under extreme pressure because going from no product demand to extreme product demand without a means to increase production (because the manufacturing sector was also hit by the pandemic and people not returning to those jibs without an increase in wages and you've got price hikes). And I'll admit, I have no idea how raising interest rates is supposed to curtail inflation. All it does it makes sure that people can't buy houses in this market, won't buy cars unless absolutely necessary, or take out any other loans with rates this high. How does that stop people from buying consumer products and make prices come down?

And a lot of this inflation didn't start due to supply and demand issues, they started with corporate greed and opportunism. Gas prices (and I'm fairly certain our entire economy is predicated on the price of oil) were low during the pandemic b/c demand was super low. No one was going anywhere. Coming out, prices rose at a rate higher than normal because there was an opportunity to do so with no one really questioning if it was necessary. Supply wasn't down and when supply is down, it's not because there's less oil available, it's because the companies decide to pump less oil to drive the prices higher. When gas prices went higher, every consumer good saw price increases to cover the fuel costs incurred by the producers. Inflation in this country is almost solely a byproduct of the price of oil and gas which is manipulated by the companies, not natural market forces.
Loan rates affect companies too. Not buying autos works on a multiplier effect. A lot of the economy works on a multiplier effect. You have base materials, then manufactured materials, etc. Effects in one industry affects another industry, etc. Companies don't buy as many trucks to ship the consumer goods for instance. It's all tied together.
 
Again I will say that the best opportunity to level the playing field occurs pre birth to age 3. Before most formal schooling.

Some of the George Kaiser Foundation programs focus exactly on that period. It will be interesting to see how those interventions work out over time in that I expect there is a program evaluation component.
 
Ugg….again, this is temporary and not typical economic policy. You act like this is the status quo. Most of us knew this was coming when we rapidly increased the money supply into a system facing labor and material shortages.

You don’t want to fed to reduce inflation ? Who does 10% inflation hurt most? The poor. Go take a look at countries who have suffered through prolonged bouts of high inflation and tell me what group suffers the most.

Look…I’m not a fan of the Fed. The fact Yellen still has a job is criminal. She sat back and watched this mess happen as did the Fed. However, we are where we are now. We’ve seen decreasing real wages now for 2 straight years. Who is suffering….the poor. May I ask what is your economic background as I’m not following your argument in growing real wages? You sound like some of my left wing friends who scream about wages without have the slightest concept of real wages adjusted for inflation. Which of course is the only number which actually matters when it comes to wages. Like I tell them…go back and look at economies with inflation rates over 5% and tell me how many of those saw prolonged growth of real wages.
This is standard economic thinking and policy for the last 50 years at least.

Wages for lower wage workers are and have been growing at a faster rate than inflation, the people getting hurt on a net basis (wages adjusted for inflation) are higher wage workers. Look it up. Ok, you don't have to look it up, it's below. And the job loss that the Fed is pushing will disproportionately hurt lower wage workers. I think you'll follow my argument in growing real wages when you have a bit more of the facts.

 
That is not the premise of our economic system. The premise is to keep inflation running around 2% and unemployment around 4%. Conditions which should at least keep real wages stable. The problem occurs when you add trillions of dollars into an economy which is already experiencing material and labor shortages. The results aren’t just predictable they are certain.

We have vast public transportation systems in many areas of the country. Have they helped alleviate poverty in those areas…..no. Same old solutions which don’t work. We’ve thrown vast amounts of money into disadvantaged communities and have very little positive results. Same ole solutions again. I realize there are societal issues working against these communities. Educational is not generally valued. Single parent homes are the norm. Far too little effort is placed into changing these values. Instead we give these people enough money to barely sustain themselves and watch the cycle repeat as we keep them dependent on the politicians for assistance.

Changing societal values and providing educational opportunities are the only way out for those who seek the same imo. Again…not sure what the solution is to provide those who want a different outcome a good education but I do know we have failed for decades. Something needs to change. Education is where it starts.
I've lived in 3 of the top 12 largest US metros and it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, in all of them to get from economically disadvantaged areas to suburban areas where so many jobs are now located. Like multiple hours each way difficult.

That's because investment in transit has overwhelming worked the other way - how do we get people from the increasingly distant suburbs into downtowns and city centers. Not how do we get people from disadvantaged areas out to the suburbs. This is like school choice, we invest in transit and people in disadvantaged areas don't use it, so what can you do about them? Even though the trains, like the schools, don't serve them.

How long would it take to get from North Tulsa to somewhere random in Broken Arrow or South Tulsa? I've never taken public transit in Tulsa, maybe it's not too bad.
 
A very basic explanation. Higher interest rates increase the cost of borrowing. Which in turn leads to less borrowing which in turn leads to less money inflows into the economy. Which then leads to a decrease demand for goods and services which in turn leads to decreasing price pressures on those goods and services. Probably the most times I’ve used the word “which” in any post.
Historically wage growth explains more than 60% of inflation because in the US economy, the cost of labor is by far the largest cost for companies, 50% - 70% of expenses for most companies. So the most effective way to cut inflation is to cut wages, either through eliminating jobs or reducing pay. There is, for all practical purposes, no other way to reduce inflation because so much of inflation comes from wages.

Because consumer spending accounts for almost 70% of the US GDP, the way to reduce inflation is to reduce how much $$ people have to spend. Some of that comes from higher borrowing costs (both on money already borrowed and for future money) but overwhelmingly it comes from having less income b/c the vast majority of what people spend is from their pay, not from borrowing.

Say you raise interest rates and Company Y buys fewer delivery vans from Ford. Ford receives $1m less. Of that $1m, more than half would have gone to workers. So the biggest impact of reducing spending by Y is to reduce wages (assuming Ford lays people off), who then will spend less. And some other big chunk would go to suppliers, who would be paying their workers and that is lost. So of the $1m, probably 70% is reflected ultimately in reductions in wages and reductions in consumer spending. That's how you control inflation. Why do you think all the big economics shops say interest rates hang on employment numbers every month? Because that's how the Fed operates and has operated at least since the early 70s.


 
A very basic explanation. Higher interest rates increase the cost of borrowing. Which in turn leads to less borrowing which in turn leads to less money inflows into the economy. Which then leads to a decrease demand for goods and services which in turn leads to decreasing price pressures on those goods and services. Probably the most times I’ve used the word “which” in any post.
Or look at it from the other direction. Company Z could borrow $1B for a new business project. What would it spend that $1B on? Overwhelmingly (50% - 70%) on employees, labor. So if Z can't borrow that $1B, the main effect will be reduced jobs and pay, and as G$ says, that flows backwards, so the 30% - 50% that isn't spent on workers, some is spent on parts, and the cost of those parts if 50% - 70% workers, so of the $1B that isn't spent, probably $700m works its way into the economy as reductions in wages.

If the economy worked differently and didn't require so many workers, then there would be more room to control inflation in other ways. But it doesn't.

Here, you can read to your heart's content on the Phillips Curve.

 
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I've lived in 3 of the top 12 largest US metros and it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, in all of them to get from economically disadvantaged areas to suburban areas where so many jobs are now located. Like multiple hours each way difficult.

That's because investment in transit has overwhelming worked the other way - how do we get people from the increasingly distant suburbs into downtowns and city centers. Not how do we get people from disadvantaged areas out to the suburbs. This is like school choice, we invest in transit and people in disadvantaged areas don't use it, so what can you do about them? Even though the trains, like the schools, don't serve them.

How long would it take to get from North Tulsa to somewhere random in Broken Arrow or South Tulsa? I've never taken public transit in Tulsa, maybe it's not too bad.
First, it takes an hour to get anywhere by bus in Tulsa. When I was a student at TU I didn't have a car so I rode the bus. It took an hour to get from TU to Woodland Hills and it involved like 4 bus transfers. It's not any better now. It's designed that way because why would people in South Tulsa want people from North Tulsa coming into their neighborhoods. Hell, the city of St. Louis for years tried to get the metro rail a north-south spur line along I-44 to go out as far as Fenton and the old Chrysler plant and another along I-255/I-270 to get to the airport. Of course this went to a county wide vote and was rejected multiple times...because people who live in South County hated the notion of people from St. Louis city coming to their suburban white enclaves and malls and restaurants. My mother in law was very vocal about city people being able to have free reign to bring their crime to south county if the metro came that way. When the intent was to get people who would work lower wages to come to the businesses (mainly the car plant) and work. And you're also right about how they're designed to get people into the city and back to their suburban home. Boston's T system was designed this way. And now in the Boston metro, there are a TON of higher paying jobs in the western suburbs all the way to Worcester but finding an outbound train that goes to the farthest T and commuter rail stops can end in a 40 minute wait for a single train. When we visited in March I looked at the commuter rail schedule to possibly take the train from my mom's house near Cape Cod into the city...a 2.5 hr trip and numerous train changes plus the cost made me conclude it would be easier to drive to Boston and pay for parking.
 
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Sometimes you can just tell someone's a dick when you look into their eyes. Walters is certainly in this realm. He needed his backside beat all to hell when he was in high school. Obviously he still needs it.

Let me know if you blowhards have his phone number because y'all are wasting my time. I'm too busy having a beer and watching 1983 Metallica on Youtube.
 
Or look at it from the other direction. Company Z could borrow $1B for a new business project. What would it spend that $1B on? Overwhelmingly (50% - 70%) on employees, labor. So if Z can't borrow that $1B, the main effect will be reduced jobs and pay, and as G$ says, that flows backwards, so the 30% - 50% that isn't spent on workers, some is spent on parts, and the cost of those parts if 50% - 70% workers, so of the $1B that isn't spent, probably $700m works its way into the economy as reductions in wages.

If the economy worked differently and didn't require so many workers, then there would be more room to control inflation in other ways. But it doesn't.

Here, you can read to your heart's content on the Phillips Curve.

I’m not following your numbers. A company borrows $1B to expand their manufacturing facility or build one on another state. While a portion of that $1B goes to labor for the capital project it rarely goes to payroll. Once the plant gets going a typical operation runs nowhere close to 50-70% on labor as it relates to COGS. Hell…Ford motor runs around 5%.

I’m well versed on economic theory as well as the operational aspects of a business. When things get tight you absolutely reduce labor costs in the form of layoffs or slow down in hiring. Reducing the money supple obviously works its way through the system. However, high inflation hurts the poor far more than any other group. The two year decline in real wages does not receive enough attention. Reducing inflation must occur. If you guys have ways to accomplish the same other than monetary tightening please let me know.
 
Sometimes you can just tell someone's a dick when you look into their eyes. Walters is certainly in this realm. He needed his backside beat all to hell when he was in high school. Obviously he still needs it.

Let me know if you blowhards have his phone number because y'all are wasting my time. I'm too busy having a beer and watching 1983 Metallica on Youtube.
He is awful. His ideas are generally idiotic.

Still, please send me my tax credit checks. They will come in handy.
 
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How long would it take to get from North Tulsa to somewhere random in Broken Arrow or South Tulsa? I've never taken public transit in Tulsa, maybe it's not too bad.
Never taken transit from N Tulsa to BA. Closest I've come is TU area to 101st & Harvard area, around the year 2000. But I doubt it is that bad compared to similar mileage from other areas in the Tulsa metro. I'm guessing you could do it in an hour and a half.
 
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They now have a bus rapid transit line running all the way down Peoria in front of our park. Another one coming along 11th.
 
Download the App “Moovit”. Makes traveling around the area by bus much easier.
 
He is awful. His ideas are generally idiotic.

Still, please send me my tax credit checks. They will come in handy.
They're not his ideas. He clearly doesn't understand anything he is saying. He is DeVos' mouthpiece and we 100% know she supports white only schools.
 
They're not his ideas. He clearly doesn't understand anything he is saying. He is DeVos' mouthpiece and we 100% know she supports white only schools.
I stand corrected. He should not be credited for having ideas.
 
Yet minorities overwhelming support school choice. Fascinating.

For the record….not a fan of Walters
 
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the price of oil and gas which is manipulated by the companies, not natural market forces.
Oh I wish... then oil and gas prices would have never dropped below $45/bbl and $8/MCF... massive layoff cycles would never have occurred ...
 
How long would it take to get from North Tulsa to somewhere random in Broken Arrow or South Tulsa? I've never taken public transit in Tulsa, maybe it's not too bad.

Never taken transit from N Tulsa to BA. Closest I've come is TU area to 101st & Harvard area, around the year 2000. But I doubt it is that bad compared to similar mileage from other areas in the Tulsa metro. I'm guessing you could do it in an hour and a half.
I downloaded moovit and picked a fairly long route, Harvard and Apache to Kenosha(71st) and 177th St. Taking the least walking route it took 2 hours & 45 min, with a twelve minute walk from the final stop to the destination. I know I could shave of at least a half hour maybe even an hour by taking my bike with me.(I did that for the time I was taking the bus.)

So 2 hours to 2 hours 15 min, by biking maybe 20 min to shave time off the route. I wasn't intending that long a route when I was giving my estimate.(Picking a route that is not coming from the west side of north tulsa, and going midway to the slightly longer than midway across BA) 4 hours there and back with a bit of biking is a bit rough, but do able. You are doubling the time it would take by car. It would be more like 5 hours round trip if you didn't want to, or couldn't bike to make it shorter.
 
I downloaded moovit and picked a fairly long route, Harvard and Apache to Kenosha(71st) and 177th St. Taking the least walking route it took 2 hours & 45 min, with a twelve minute walk from the final stop to the destination. I know I could shave of at least a half hour maybe even an hour by taking my bike with me.(I did that for the time I was taking the bus.)

So 2 hours to 2 hours 15 min, by biking maybe 20 min to shave time off the route. I wasn't intending that long a route when I was giving my estimate.(Picking a route that is not coming from the west side of north tulsa, and going midway to the slightly longer than midway across BA) 4 hours there and back with a bit of biking is a bit rough, but do able. You are doubling the time it would take by car. It would be more like 5 hours round trip if you didn't want to, or couldn't bike to make it shorter.
Not many bus routes way out there at Kenosha and 177th. The times I looked around the Utica Square area or even around Woodland Hills Mall were much more favorable. Say 45 minutes to an hour.
 
Oh I wish... then oil and gas prices would have never dropped below $45/bbl and $8/MCF... massive layoff cycles would never have occurred ...
He didn't specify by US companies. And don't pretend the US companies haven't held prices down in the past to try and play the long game with OPEC. Opec holds prices down often.
 
He didn't specify by US companies. And don't pretend the US companies haven't held prices down in the past to try and play the long game with OPEC. Opec holds prices down often.
You're smarter than this...

30 yrs in the oilfield and I never held prices down or up..

Oil is a commodity traded the same as porkbellies, gold, wheat, and corn.. commodities traders react to supply, demand, and inflationary pressures. When inflation is high, commodities are a hedge against it and central bank monetary policy...
 
You're smarter than this...

30 yrs in the oilfield and I never held prices down or up..

Oil is a commodity traded the same as porkbellies, gold, wheat, and corn.. commodities traders react to supply, demand, and inflationary pressures. When inflation is high, commodities are a hedge against it and central bank monetary policy...
Somewhat true but not 100% true. We see 25% pump price increases at the hint of a natural disaster perhaps disrupting production only slightly for a few days. Perhaps the price per barrel went up in the commodities market by 2-3%. In any case the actual supply would not be disrupted to a point where there was less gas available for 6-8 weeks because of the amount of time to get the oil transported to a storage terminal and then to a refinery, then that supply getting refined, and then stored and then out to an actual station...but the price increase is almost always immediate and then takes months for it to return to its pre-event price after the supply has been restored to the level. It is so manipulated by producers and the speculators and no one checks them on that. The few times Congress mentioned it, prices dropped so fast you could only scratch your head.
 
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You're smarter than this...

30 yrs in the oilfield and I never held prices down or up..

Oil is a commodity traded the same as porkbellies, gold, wheat, and corn.. commodities traders react to supply, demand, and inflationary pressures. When inflation is high, commodities are a hedge against it and central bank monetary policy...
Yes supply and demand are the limiters of high and low. That's the point. When Opec decides to raise the price it pulls drilling rigs, because their oil production is controlled by a unified government body. That's what comes from having government owned resources.
 
Yes supply and demand are the limiters of high and low. That's the point. When Opec decides to raise the price it pulls drilling rigs, because their oil production is controlled by a unified government body. That's what comes from having government owned resources.
Opec doesnt pull rigs... they close valves.. americans cant comprehend the oilfield that the Kingdom sits on..
 
Somewhat true but not 100% true. We see 25% pump price increases at the hint of a natural disaster perhaps disrupting production only slightly for a few days. Perhaps the price per barrel went up in the commodities market by 2-3%. In any case the actual supply would not be disrupted to a point where there was less gas available for 6-8 weeks because of the amount of time to get the oil transported to a storage terminal and then to a refinery, then that supply getting refined, and then stored and then out to an actual station...but the price increase is almost always immediate and then takes months for it to return to its pre-event price after the supply has been restored to the level. It is so manipulated by producers and the speculators and no one checks them on that. The few times Congress mentioned it, prices dropped so fast you could only scratch your head.
Yup... right up until they insulted the Kingdom in public and drove them into the BRICs alliance..

Seriously they only way congress affects the oil price is by printing money..
 
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Yup... right up until they insulted the Kingdom in public and drove them into the BRICs alliance..

Seriously they only way congress affects the oil price is by printing money..
Have to agree. Why we were begging OPEC to increase production to combat high prices awhile back. US corporations as well as the US government have practically zero control at this point over the price of oil
 
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Opec doesnt pull rigs... they close valves..
Pull rigs, close valves, it all amounts to less supply/higher prices.
americans cant comprehend the oilfield that the Kingdom sits on..
That was the point I was making. They have a copious enough supply to sit on oil or not depending on their desire for higher or lower prices. They either gouge the market or their competitor, whichever is more important at the time. So oil prices are not always 100% dependent on market based demand. They usually make enough money either way.
 
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Pull rigs, close valves, it all amounts to less supply/higher prices.

That was the point I was making. They have a copious enough supply to sit on oil or not depending on their desire for higher or lower prices. They either gouge the market or their competitor, whichever is more important at the time. So oil prices are not always 100% dependent on market based demand. They usually make enough money either way.
They are not alone in directing prices though. They protect market share. America is severely eating into their market share and both countries know it.
 
Why do these people's assholes get so wound up with just one or a perceived incident? Why is this guy so obsessed with Tulsa Public?

I was a 9-year Catholic school kid and showed up on the Northside. On the first day, people were praying at the flag pole. No one cared. That took me aback since I was told before there was no religion in schools by my Catholic indoctrinators. Public schools were the devil. There were Christian organizations at the school. Hell, they taught "bible as lit" I quickly realized there was no forced religion in schools, so we good.

Why are these people's assholes wound up with just one or a perceived incident?
 
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It is a real shame that Walters is distracting everyone with these silly issues.

There are real problems with TPS that get overshadowed by these political statements. My wife was doing a summer school maker space workshop at Central yesterday and it was a horrendous, undisciplined free-for-all complete unsuited for education. We have real problems requiring attention. The issues Walters is bringing up are irrelevant in context.
 
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Walters is a straight douche and he will get his ass kicked for it. Just like he should've gotten his ass kicked when he was a straight douche at 15-years-old. Once he and his butt-buddy Nathan Dahm get punched in the face a few times, they'll shut the F up. It's really is simple as that.
 
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Walters is a straight douche and he will get his ass kicked for it. Just like he should've gotten his ass kicked when he was a straight douche at 15-years-old. Once he and his butt-buddy Nathan Dahm get punched in the face a few times, they'll shut the F up. It's really is simple as that.
He thinks he's an outlaw cuz his hometown is adjacent to Wilburton.
 
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