Montgomery Era
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I keep wondering why I buy season tickets or donate to the GHC when they sell parking for $10 a game now and I can buy a GA season seat for $60.
Seriously, you can’t keep devaluing the season tickets and GHC privileges and expect the people to keep forking it over. A bag of popcorn and a free coke don’t make up for the fact that season ticket holders are being taken for granted by the university.
If you own 4 season tickets Gold level or above they should just give you $1 beers and give you free soda cups with unlimited refills.
I won't bother repeating myself, but if you look at the stats I posted above you will see that when we do host P5 or big games at home, it doesn't really change attendance. Why would a P5 be drawn to a 40k seat stadium with 20k people there but refuse to play in a 30k seat stadium with 20k people there?
Plus:
Kansas is set to play an away game at Coastal Carolina, which holds 15k people. Iowa State is playing @ UNLV (~35k) and at Ohio (~27K). You can find plenty of other examples: Liberty (25k) will be welcoming Syracuse, Virginia, Duke , and Virginia Tech in the future. Duke is also playing at Charlotte (15k) and Tulane (30K). Tulane (30K) is also scheduled to host Ole Miss, Oklahoma and Miss State. Virginia is playing at Old Dominion (20k). Texas Tech is playing at Wyoming (29k). And on and on.
I don't see evidence in the future schedule that a non P5 having a large stadium encourages big names to come and play there. Yet Tulsa has announced Wyoming, Toledo and N. Illinois as our future OOC home games (plus Okie State, but I was trying not to count in State games as there are other factors at play there)... . i see no reason to believe 10k more empty seats will help that.
https://fbschedules.com/future-college-football-schedules/
I see #TU4ever2 covered this above. Sorry, did not read all the way before posting.
Again our stadium size is an issue but far from the only issue in our scheduling. As Jesse points out.
It effects our ability to land low top 25 or middle road P5 games in home and home series. You will not see teams like Virginia Tech, TCU, Colorado, Iowa types with our current size stadium and ticket pricing capability.
I will say for Noble that to the best of my ability it seems that what they have done is moved the ticket section that was dominately in the end zone area and moved it to the east stands. It appears the number of seats for various ticket tiers is roughly the same as previous years but the location some seating has moved. The end zone is now almost completely empty and many of the end zone people are located in GA. Which will look way better on tv since the camera has that side as background.
They do need to be careful about the devaluing of tickets and perks, tough balance but I think you will see some of the perks changed from what they have been. You'll still get your parking and ticket place, there will still be the GA and 10$ parking, but you will get other special treatment/perks. That will keep the ghc people happy and keep an open approach for more casual fans.
Specialization and uniqueness seem to be the trend now to fight generally declining attendance and the home experience in the tv age.
None of this stadium stuff matters right now and is just distraction.
The current problem is our football team has gone 3-9, 2-10, 6-7, 10-3, 2-10, 1-3 or four losing seasons in five complete seasons and a year that is half way to another sub .500 season.
We're not winning the games we are playing, that's the first issue to address.
The current problem is our football team has gone 3-9, 2-10, 6-7, 10-3, 2-10, 1-3 or four losing seasons in five complete seasons and a year that is half way to another sub .500 season.
We're not winning the games we are playing, that's the first issue to address.
We don’t have an opening for a non-conference road game until 2023. Most potential P5 opponents will want their home game first so it could be 2024 at the earliest before we see another quality opponent here.
Kansas won't schedule us because we hired our basketball coach from Missouri . Too close of a connection for KU.
Meaning a decade between home and home series with a power 5 team. As the OU and OSU series are 2-1s. It will be nearly as long since we had a name opponent to a casual fan here for a home and home series. In that time we will have had OSU here once, OU once, and Iowa St. once. From 2013-2023/2024 in fact since 2008 (H.AH Chapman stadium) we will have OSU x2, OU, Iowa St, and Boise as our best home games. And really the only regional games have been Arkansas St and North Texas, maybe Louisiana too.
Schedule is a real head scratcher to be honest.
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Because: 1. the risk of losing at those venues is low and many of those 2-1 contracts were signed in 2008 when folks were worried about cash. The only thing worse at the yearly summer conference conclave at Paradise Golf Course in the Bahamas than signing a low yield contract to a non-P5 road game is going on the road and losing. It affects intraconference dynamics and can affect how money is divided up in the future. 2. Someone of their AD's are predators. They dont sign deals based on who they know (Ohio State, Texas, OU, etc.) they look and see who is desperate for money and leverage them. That's why Miami is playing all these random road games. They were put over a barrel for cash during the last recruiting scandal and those schools wouldn't let them buy out later.
This is exactly right. This is what losing Bubba and hiring BB and Gragg did.
Look at our schedules pre 2008 and the stadium renovation. Look at our schedules formed after.
Bubba was the scheduling from 2007-2014/15 since games are commonly signed 3-4 years before. There was also an AD between Gragg and Bubba.
This scheduling is what happens when you have a money game first mentality and no strategic planning. We occasionally have a regional game home and home (Ark St., North Texas, Louisuana, ulm), money game/our two for ones with OSU and OU, and then fill out the rest however we can.
It took us a few years to wise up and make the fcs game our openner. But our attendance those games have improved.
We still don't seem to try and balance the schedule using our attractive home conference slate. Navy will always be a good draw, Memphis and Houston are frequently ranked when they come to town. We get all three at home together.
The other home slate for conference will give us Tulane and SMU usually with one of the Florida schools who have been good and are also getting ranked consistently.
Pairing a solid regional g5 (from Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas where we also heavily recruit) opponent and a name g5 opponent (BYU, Boise, Army) with the Memphis/Houston/Navy combo will make attractive home schedules.
Putting our two for one p5 home games with the SMU/Tulane/UCF or USF conference schedules would make them more attractive as well.
I don't feel like we maximise our ability to offer a consistent product (home schedule) for the casual fan and to build interest even though has hosted 8 top 25 teams since 2009.
The OSU game next year will be our first p5 home game since 2014 and fourth since 2008 or twelve seasons. We have played Central Arkansas three times in the same period and only had two seasons with out a home game vs an FCS team. One of those non-fcs seasons also included a p5 home game.
We had grown to 24,600 average in 2008. The 5-7 losing season of 2009 broke up the growth and we have been fighting a losing battle for attendance through losing seasons since 2012. Consistent winning brings slow growth at about 1,000+ per year (2003 19,000 to 24,600 in 2008 minus the high priced championship game) We had two sell outs vs UNM to open the stadium and vs UCF our first week ranked. So we need 10 years of winning or 5 years and getting in the rankings a few times will get us towards the 26-27,000 consitent crowds.
I've said this once before and I feel like I need to scream it to the TU Gods...
If you want to make some changes to the stadium start with that damn video board!!!
Who's dumba$$ idea was it to not place that thing on top of the building??? If one person tells me it was for the 20 people that sit in that case building I'm going to pull my hair out. Very, very dumb. I'm not even sure you can engineer that roof now to hold that video board??? But they built both at the same time.
And BTW put the dang band in the endzone right behind the goal post. The sound should/would bounce off the case building with a score board up there.
You guys want to talk about bowling in the endzone... those seats suck with the board behind you.
If you want to make some changes to the stadium start with that damn video board!!!
Who's dumba$$ idea was it to not place that thing on top of the building??? If one person tells me it was for the 20 people that sit in that case building I'm going to pull my hair out. Very, very dumb. I'm not even sure you can engineer that roof now to hold that video board??? But they built both at the same time.
And BTW put the dang band in the endzone right behind the goal post. The sound should/would bounce off the case building with a score board up there.
You guys want to talk about bowling in the endzone... those seats suck with the board behind you.
I was fine with the video board when it went up. But, it was the cheapest route utilizing as much existing infrastructure as possible.
Then, they filled 1/3 with ads and that took so much away...
I don’t know if they can add panels and get more video space out of it or not.
Putting one on the Case Center would be nice.
OSU did something similar and it seems to work well.
Then, they filled 1/3 with ads and that took so much away...
I don’t know if they can add panels and get more video space out of it or not.
Putting one on the Case Center would be nice.
OSU did something similar and it seems to work well.
He probably gets one more year given the current financial state of TU. We can also pray that Gragg gets hired away by Vanderbilt.
Monty stays on finances 3-1
Monty stays based on wins 15-1
Gragg to Vandy at 10-1
Us getting new coach and AD 50-1
I'm not in this argument either way, but I will say that attendance figures are kept by the Easter Bunny.
ey is correct on this one folks.
we have one tenured finance professor...the others have left due to better pay and better funding elsewhere. We hired the new business school dean from within because no one wanted the gig. but I think he has the energy to turn the corner thank goodness.
gilcrease is killing TU, as is the medical school, as is energy donation drops.
we should be very concerned for the university. it is going to take a university effort to turn the whole thing around.
But none of that affects why a QB can't hold onto a ball...and none of that affects whether a guy can make a 3 pt shot.
we have one tenured finance professor...the others have left due to better pay and better funding elsewhere. We hired the new business school dean from within because no one wanted the gig. but I think he has the energy to turn the corner thank goodness.
gilcrease is killing TU, as is the medical school, as is energy donation drops.
we should be very concerned for the university. it is going to take a university effort to turn the whole thing around.
But none of that affects why a QB can't hold onto a ball...and none of that affects whether a guy can make a 3 pt shot.
What’s the deal with Gilcrease? Can’t we pull the plug on the medical school like oru did?
There’s a little more to it than that, but yeah Gilcrease has been a financial drain on the university.
What do we do for Gilcrease? How’d we get involved? Doesn’t seem like running a museum would cost that much. Did we negotiate a crappy deal with the city?
The problem is you have to pay a bunch of salaries and upkeep and it’s not a huge money maker.
I love Gilcrease though. I think it’s worth the burden for the University to keep it up and running. We just need to find a way to make it financially viable to do so.
Gilcrease is ran by the university, I believe for a foundation or trust.
Regardless it is the sort of thing that the University should step up and do for the community. Particularly given our historic founding and the amount of native art and artifacts the museum holds. To be honest I wish we did more with the local tribes.
It seems a lot of Tulsa's issues are related to all the projects taken on and the boom/bust nature of the oil business. Bad timing gave us more expenses in a hard time. If we can figure out how to weather it and sort this out we will be in a good place. Right now though it seems we are in a scramble mode to keep it all working and in budget.
Regardless it is the sort of thing that the University should step up and do for the community. Particularly given our historic founding and the amount of native art and artifacts the museum holds. To be honest I wish we did more with the local tribes.
It seems a lot of Tulsa's issues are related to all the projects taken on and the boom/bust nature of the oil business. Bad timing gave us more expenses in a hard time. If we can figure out how to weather it and sort this out we will be in a good place. Right now though it seems we are in a scramble mode to keep it all working and in budget.
It was in too bad a shape for the foundation or the City to deal with its problems so around 2012 or so Stead bit into the whole sandwich. Not just financially either. There were structural problems with some of the buildings from neglect as well as questionable archiving practices that threaten the long term safety of some of the artwork.
So programs across the university are suffering so we can pay to rebuild the city of tulsa’s buildings?? This thing makes zero sense. More of steadman’s Versailles vision to build a monument to himself?
Gilcrease is small potatoes. People are blaming it because they can’t cross the power structure right now. It’s an easy target because it doesn’t generate large amounts of revenue versus operating costs.
People have no idea how expensive it is to set up a medical campus. That’s where the true bleed is coming from, but you can offset some of that with tuition dollars and adding chairs at the law school without incurring costs.
It ain’t Stead’s Versailles that’s the problem (at least now. Wait until those apartments age into crappy status and become Stead’s ghetto right st the “front door” of the new U or whatever they call it now.)
People have no idea how expensive it is to set up a medical campus. That’s where the true bleed is coming from, but you can offset some of that with tuition dollars and adding chairs at the law school without incurring costs.
It ain’t Stead’s Versailles that’s the problem (at least now. Wait until those apartments age into crappy status and become Stead’s ghetto right st the “front door” of the new U or whatever they call it now.)
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No it's one of many projects taken on, each for different reasons. All were a little suspect (the medical school maybe a lot) the issue is other unforseen constraints. We expected somethings to stay the same and they changed.
We took some big bites and now we have some trouble chewing. Remember that generally speaking the University is fiscally conservative so some of this is worst case scenario worries. But there are worries in general and they are well founded.
Now is not a good time for Tulsa to mess up.
Gilcrease is a partnership with the city. TU runs he day to day operations for the city and TU has incorporated it as part of its Fine Arts program. TU has a good number of art and art history students who now have a museum to intern at, learn preservation techniques, facility management, etc. It has also led to TUs presence downtown with it art buildings and classrooms in the Brady district.
The med school thing was a partnership with OU and was supposed to focus on community medicine as there is a woeful shortage of doctors and nurses in smaller towns and communities. It was originally envisioned as an accelerated program with TU teaching the prerequisite courses and OU taking care of the MD certification. With the purchase of the downtown building (old Sunoco building?), TU also moved a good number of its other health science classrooms and labs, primarily nursing, to the downtown facility.
Neither is a terrible endeavor for the university to get involved in especially if the programs draw some additional students in. I think in the long run both will be good things for the university.
TU needs a med program... it's a HUGE step for a university and it's good that we can piggyback off of OU's licensing and accreditation while starting our own.
Thank god Galloghy is bringing some fiscal corporate sense to higher education in this state.
We need a medical school that causes of us having to lay off and cut severely in every other school? To the point our university is in a very serious financial state?
“We need a med program”??????
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