ADVERTISEMENT

Is Tulsa Continuing Down The Wrong “Strategic” Road?

Exactly. I’d love to know what the definition of innovative is that the OP is referencing? Mentioned UNC but they’re also almost having to quadruple their NIL commitment and that’s comparing apples to oranges when referencing TU. If anything I’d consider what TU is doing is innovative from a peer institution perspective. The next thing I would consider innovative would be to figure out some sort of money ball strategy as NIL is concerned and to me it seems like they’re doing that with grabbing high end FCS talent. Could this pay off? Maybe. maybe not but that’s double edged sword of innovation.
What high end fcs talent have we grabbed?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Oak775
What high end fcs talent have we grabbed?
Haven’t grabbed any yet which is why I say it’s an innovative approach but we’ve sent offers out to a couple FCS all Americans as well as statistical leaders for a couple good teams. Lamb has also said he’s targeting talent in FCS to help build up the roster
 
  • Like
Reactions: Oak775
What high end fcs talent have we grabbed?

None yet. But our interest in, and mostly offers have gone out to a little more than 30 players for Juco/FCS/DII. Where as our offers, interest, signings have been to 15 players in DI fbs programs. Thats 2 to 1 for lower division to fbs.(32/15)
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Bigtick72
Half the SEC hasn't even hired a General Manager yet. Very few G5's have hired one yet. We are ahead of the curve, no matter whether someone wants to downplay the present guys qualifications.
It looks like 10 of the 13 AAC teams have hired or are hiring for a GM (excluding us obviously).

Maybe 9 if you consider the Chief of Staff to be different than a GM tho it seems to be the same thing.

Interesting article on how GMs are all the rage at colleges.

I think this is a good hire but it's not innovative, more "about time" than "cutting edge".

College football goes pro: Behind the 'mad scramble' to hire NFL-style GMs, front offices
 
Last edited:
Haven’t grabbed any yet which is why I say it’s an innovative approach but we’ve sent offers out to a couple FCS all Americans as well as statistical leaders for a couple good teams. Lamb has also said he’s targeting talent in FCS to help build up the roster
Minnesota had good luck with Max Brosmer from New Hampshire. Lesson there seems to be to try to get guys with at least 2 years eligibility, it took Brosmer several games to get his feet fully under him.
 
I'm not sure they can completely separate the programs from the academic mission...at that point they are no longer non-profits and would be subject to taxes.
That's a great point. I hadn't thought about the tax implications!
 
College football is dead... it's the English Premier league lower tiers now with the NFL being the top and Juco being the bottom.

I am old, I don't give a crap about innovation I just want results. In business, which is what this is, results are all that matter.
 
The strategic direction for Tulsa is to be an R1 university and grow the size of the student population.

Be good at men's college basketball and be competitive in football. Eventually, this CFP thing will grow more prominent and open more doors for TU.

I don't think anyone knows how this whole thing shakes out. Quinn Ewers may leave Texas, not go to the NFL draft, and make 4M at Oregon next year. This is professional athletics. Stop calling it college. I even read that universities engage with private equity groups about buy-ins. This is sick.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Oak775
The strategic direction for Tulsa is to be an R1 university and grow the size of the student population.

Be good at men's college basketball and be competitive in football. Eventually, this CFP thing will grow more prominent and open more doors for TU.

I don't think anyone knows how this whole thing shakes out. Quinn Ewers may leave Texas, not go to the NFL draft, and make 4M at Oregon next year. This is professional athletics. Stop calling it college. I even read that universities engage with private equity groups about buy-ins. This is sick.
Crazy that college players are making 4x the rookie minimum in the NFL.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TUMU
Crazy that college players are making 4x the rookie minimum in the NFL.
It is extremely nuts. This is professional athletics. If you describe it any other way, you are on crack cocaine or are in utter denial.


ESPN took this to another level with college football. The coaches demanded higher pay, and they got it.

Now utter and complete C-U-N-T-S like Nick Saban and his administrators, who recieved multi-generational wealth. At the same time, coaching by not paying players and now have multi-generational wealth-worthy TV contracts bitching about the new era. Frankly, I find them tiresome. They got otherworldly rich by utterly exploiting a wacky system: total exploration. Now, players are getting theirs and don't like it too much. Coaches that bitch about it should be fired, and players shouldn't play for them because it reveals their character.

I love universities like USC that are now saddled with people like Lincoln Riley and his 110 million contract. They would have to pay 90 million dollars to get out of it. It is hilarious and sick at the same time. F' em.

Go look at OU's planned strategic investments, which are half or more dedicated to athletics. It is utterly disgusting. They aren't asking their donors to build robotics, AI, or molecular biology facilities. No, there is more and more basketball, football, and other related support things to "compete." It is all out there right on the internet.

You, the taxpayer, pay for one year of multi-million dollar rentals of Jackson Arnold. This hilarious part is that Brent Venables will get fired because he chose Jackson Arnold over Dillion Gabriel. How did that ding-dong not know he couldn't throw? Was it not obvious? If it wasn't, he needs to be gone. Unfortunately, that coach's exit number is significant and substantial.

The rumour is that Quinn Ewers is getting offers for 4 million to play football for one year. You, the taxpayer, are getting to foot these kinds of bills. Most of these programs kick back less than a million or two to the universities. When they ask Norman and the state to contribute a billion dollars in facilities, paying off their investments will only take 500-1000 years. But I am being super generous because that doesn't include the interest on the bonds they float to pay for the facilities.

I digress.
 
It is extremely nuts. This is professional athletics. If you describe it any other way, you are on crack cocaine or are in utter denial.


ESPN took this to another level with college football. The coaches demanded higher pay, and they got it.

Now utter and complete C-U-N-T-S like Nick Saban and his administrators, who recieved multi-generational wealth. At the same time, coaching by not paying players and now have multi-generational wealth-worthy TV contracts bitching about the new era. Frankly, I find them tiresome. They got otherworldly rich by utterly exploiting a wacky system: total exploration. Now, players are getting theirs and don't like it too much. Coaches that bitch about it should be fired, and players shouldn't play for them because it reveals their character.

I love universities like USC that are now saddled with people like Lincoln Riley and his 110 million contract. They would have to pay 90 million dollars to get out of it. It is hilarious and sick at the same time. F' em.

Go look at OU's planned strategic investments, which are half or more dedicated to athletics. It is utterly disgusting. They aren't asking their donors to build robotics, AI, or molecular biology facilities. No, there is more and more basketball, football, and other related support things to "compete." It is all out there right on the internet.

You, the taxpayer, pay for one year of multi-million dollar rentals of Jackson Arnold. This hilarious part is that Brent Venables will get fired because he chose Jackson Arnold over Dillion Gabriel. How did that ding-dong not know he couldn't throw? Was it not obvious? If it wasn't, he needs to be gone. Unfortunately, that coach's exit number is significant and substantial.

The rumour is that Quinn Ewers is getting offers for 4 million to play football for one year. You, the taxpayer, are getting to foot these kinds of bills. Most of these programs kick back less than a million or two to the universities. When they ask Norman and the state to contribute a billion dollars in facilities, paying off their investments will only take 500-1000 years. But I am being super generous because that doesn't include the interest on the bonds they float to pay for the facilities.

I digress.
Who really pays for all these coaches, players, and facility upgrades?

The ticket holders, students/parents, donors.

I quit watching the NBA years ago, and I glance at an NFL game from time to time. Major League Baseball? I check the box scores 2-3 times a week.

College football and basketball were my last 2 sports that I clung to. It’s sad, but I’m starting to lose interest in football and basketball too.
 
It is extremely nuts. This is professional athletics. If you describe it any other way, you are on crack cocaine or are in utter denial.


ESPN took this to another level with college football. The coaches demanded higher pay, and they got it.

Now utter and complete C-U-N-T-S like Nick Saban and his administrators, who recieved multi-generational wealth. At the same time, coaching by not paying players and now have multi-generational wealth-worthy TV contracts bitching about the new era. Frankly, I find them tiresome. They got otherworldly rich by utterly exploiting a wacky system: total exploration. Now, players are getting theirs and don't like it too much. Coaches that bitch about it should be fired, and players shouldn't play for them because it reveals their character.

I love universities like USC that are now saddled with people like Lincoln Riley and his 110 million contract. They would have to pay 90 million dollars to get out of it. It is hilarious and sick at the same time. F' em.

Go look at OU's planned strategic investments, which are half or more dedicated to athletics. It is utterly disgusting. They aren't asking their donors to build robotics, AI, or molecular biology facilities. No, there is more and more basketball, football, and other related support things to "compete." It is all out there right on the internet.

You, the taxpayer, pay for one year of multi-million dollar rentals of Jackson Arnold. This hilarious part is that Brent Venables will get fired because he chose Jackson Arnold over Dillion Gabriel. How did that ding-dong not know he couldn't throw? Was it not obvious? If it wasn't, he needs to be gone. Unfortunately, that coach's exit number is significant and substantial.

The rumour is that Quinn Ewers is getting offers for 4 million to play football for one year. You, the taxpayer, are getting to foot these kinds of bills. Most of these programs kick back less than a million or two to the universities. When they ask Norman and the state to contribute a billion dollars in facilities, paying off their investments will only take 500-1000 years. But I am being super generous because that doesn't include the interest on the bonds they float to pay for the facilities.

I digress.
You don’t think the OU football machine can completely fund its own operations without tax revenue? They are projected to receive almost $100M just from media rights beginning in 2026. That is before any ticket revenue, merchandise sales, athletic donations, etc…
 
  • Like
Reactions: Oak775
The consumers, you and I, pay via our TV subscriptions (ESPN, Major TV networks) and advertisers (the stuff we buy like cars, food, and beer).

The bare essence is it still boils down to the you and I. If you follow the the money train back to it’s original source.

“Moola moola.”
 
The consumers, you and I, pay via our TV subscriptions (ESPN, Major TV networks) and advertisers (the stuff we buy like cars, food, and beer).

The bare essence is it still boils down to the you and I. If you follow the the money train back to it’s original source.

“Moola moola.”
Very similar to why the NFL not only now has games on Christmas but are televised on Netflix.
 
Very similar to why the NFL not only now has games on Christmas but are televised on Netflix.
I was concerned about the games on Netflix but those both appear to have gone very smoothly. The Tyson/Paul fight was a disaster.

I do believe that the NBA is jealous with football now taking over what had been their biggest day of the regular season for many years.
 
Crazy that college players are making 4x the rookie minimum in the NFL.
I'm sure there will be guys who make more as a college player than in the NFL. Lots of good college QBs that will end up on a practice squad or at the league minimum. What happens when the guys who will lose money to "go pro" sue for antitrust violation over eligibility limits? "College football" will be a bunch of 28 year olds working on their 2nd PhD, making $1m? Not going to be good for the NFL, they need a constant pipeline of good players on cheap first contracts coming out of college. A lot of those guys are not going to get a second NFL contract or will get a small one, if $$ keeps increasing, those players will be better off staying in college forever.

The weaker the eligibility rules, the less opportunity for HS players. For every guy who gets an extra year bc they played JUCO, it's one HS kid who won't be on a team and won't get a free education. The system is so whack now it's really hard to care at all.
 
It is extremely nuts. This is professional athletics. If you describe it any other way, you are on crack cocaine or are in utter denial.


ESPN took this to another level with college football. The coaches demanded higher pay, and they got it.

Now utter and complete C-U-N-T-S like Nick Saban and his administrators, who recieved multi-generational wealth. At the same time, coaching by not paying players and now have multi-generational wealth-worthy TV contracts bitching about the new era. Frankly, I find them tiresome. They got otherworldly rich by utterly exploiting a wacky system: total exploration. Now, players are getting theirs and don't like it too much. Coaches that bitch about it should be fired, and players shouldn't play for them because it reveals their character.

I love universities like USC that are now saddled with people like Lincoln Riley and his 110 million contract. They would have to pay 90 million dollars to get out of it. It is hilarious and sick at the same time. F' em.

Go look at OU's planned strategic investments, which are half or more dedicated to athletics. It is utterly disgusting. They aren't asking their donors to build robotics, AI, or molecular biology facilities. No, there is more and more basketball, football, and other related support things to "compete." It is all out there right on the internet.

You, the taxpayer, pay for one year of multi-million dollar rentals of Jackson Arnold. This hilarious part is that Brent Venables will get fired because he chose Jackson Arnold over Dillion Gabriel. How did that ding-dong not know he couldn't throw? Was it not obvious? If it wasn't, he needs to be gone. Unfortunately, that coach's exit number is significant and substantial.

The rumour is that Quinn Ewers is getting offers for 4 million to play football for one year. You, the taxpayer, are getting to foot these kinds of bills. Most of these programs kick back less than a million or two to the universities. When they ask Norman and the state to contribute a billion dollars in facilities, paying off their investments will only take 500-1000 years. But I am being super generous because that doesn't include the interest on the bonds they float to pay for the facilities.

I digress.
You don’t think the OU football machine can completely fund its own operations without tax revenue? They are projected to receive almost $100M just from media rights beginning in 2026. That is before any ticket revenue, merchandise sales, athletic donations, etc…
I can’t speak for OU, but the University of Alabama spends less money on direct support for athletics than TU does and none of that money at UA comes from taxes or goes to football.

If you evaluate the impact of Nick Saban based on where Alabama was when he was hired, firing people because they could not pay them, and now collects over $200 million a year with budget surpluses returned to campus, as well as the non-athletics donations he played a role in soliciting, the man was grossly under paid by the standards of the charity industry. He had a multi-billion dollar impact on the school and local community and that legacy is poised to continue for decades.

And that’s before we discuss the meteoric rise in the qualifications of its students nearly all of whom selected UA based at least in part on the success of the football team and the game day experience as a vital part of being a college student.
 
Last edited:
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT