Did you see what Victor Bailey (almost recruited to Tulsa by English) did for Barnes and Tennessee the other day?
Head Coaching Candidates For Tu Basketball
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Tubby had been coaching for 18 years when he was hired. English has been a coach for 6.
Additionally, here's the list of TU recruits during his last turn here:
Jaleel Wheeler, Joseph Battle, Will Magnay, Geno Artison, Travis Atson, Martins Igbanu, Corey Henderson, Lawson Korita, Darien Jackson, Elijah Joiner, DaQuan Jeffries.
A couple hits, a boatload of misses, and no NCAAT appearances from that group.
He may be a successful head coach one day, but he's done very little to prove he's the next Tubby Smith.
Good points on English. I saw where one of Patrick's signees enrolled at UCR after he left. ...Wil Tattersall from Australia. He is a freshman playing 22 minutes a game and has shot 31-66 (47% ) from the three. We can add 2 of our players together and not get to 47%..... Patrick did have a low scoring offense but was 8th in the nation behind Virginia in defense and 33 rd in rebound margin. But again he had few of his own players by year two. It would be interesting to hear his thoughts on Magnay.
Given Haith’s history, I suspect he’ll move on after this season. I will be surprised if he’s our basketball coach next season.
If he moves on voluntarily, he would either have to drop down another level to somebody on the level of College of Charleston as HC.(Using as example because we know that's the level of coaching job Wojcik had to drop down to after failing here.) He would have to take that hit to his salary, or accept an assistant job, maybe that he would swing for more money.(at a bigger time school)
No way he gets our salary even after we reduced it as an assistant. Not a chance he earns 1.3 or 1.4m as an assistant. We're talking 300k to max 800k he would have to accept somewhere else as HC or asst. (Unless maybe he's ready to retire early.) I hope you are right and he accepts that salary cut and leaves of his own accord, but he'd have to be ready for a huge, huge salary cut. That's going from 2m to 800k if he's lucky. My guess is it would more like 4 or 500k. That's quartering his salary. He's never quartered his salary voluntarily before, hell he's never halved his salary voluntarily.
I could see Haith moving on to an HBCU honestly. One thing we can never fault Haith for is the way he has represented TU, his role in developing young men of character (have any of his players at TU had any real behavioral or accountability issues?). That's what I hate about this situation. Frank is generally a good guy and has embraced TU and Tulsa unlike his predecessors who felt both were beneath their statuses.
That’s not typically how the buyouts are structured unless he has a really terrible agent.
Rumors that Steve Prohm could get fired are gaining steam. If so, I’d take him in a heartbeat.
The only decent season they've had with Prohm's players was 2018.(The first two season's can be discounted from the main assessment of his tenure, cuz he had Hoiberg's players to coach for the most part. They were also around 23 win seasons, identical to '18) He's had two seasons where the records were around .400 ball.(one slightly above, and the other slightly below) is now .118 on the season, in the closing stretch, and not won a single game in conference.
He managed to find a way to the tournament last season despite a .375 final record, but that's still a pretty shabby record for the past four years with mostly his own players. I don't know where his confidence on the recruiting trail and as a coach would be. It might be worth an interview with a skeptics attitude during the interview.(for the interviewers)
What makes you think the Iowa St situation won't lead to a similar one for us?
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There is usually a reason coaches get fired. Better chance with coaches moving the other direction. (Winning). I can remember us hiring two coaches moving laterally or down, JD Barnett and Frank Haith.
Because I'm stubborn.
But also because I think Iowa State is a uniquely difficult job. Greg McDermott is one of the best coaches in the country and has had extensive success at both UNI and Creighton. But he never had a winning record at Iowa State.
In some ways, Prohm was a victim of his own success. He landed big-time recruits in Wigginton and Horton-Tucker, but lost both after just a year+. They nailed the evaluation of under-recruited Tyrese Haliburton, only to have him immediately turn into a lotto pick and leave early. The response was to embrace the transfer portal to plug the holes, and that's admittedly been an unmitigated disaster.
There's a chance it wouldn't work at Tulsa, but I love his guard-oriented offense. I love that his teams actually play with pace instead of just coachspeaking about playing with pace. And I think it's too early to assume he's cooked as a coach at 46. Maybe just hasn't found his level yet.
Also, he's got 4 NCAAT wins in 10 years as a coach. Which is 4x as many as Haith in half the time.
Knew you would have a better answer than just I'm stubborn. Figured you would be up on their recruiting and have some explanatory reasons for that. I was actually fishing for a guided explanation of why his records weren't all that one should look at. Also the Big 12 has everybody else ranked except K St. & TCU. That leaves it hard to come up with wins.
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'I was there (you may have been too) when his Murray State team beat Haith's first team by 21 at the Reynolds Center in the NIT . Cameron Payne was a pretty good player for him. I was impressed by his coaching then.
Prohm’s a good coach. The worry would be a coach coming off of 2 lackluster (and this year is a disaster) seasons, being able to regain steam/traction/credibility on the recruiting trail again. It’ll be the same thing Gus faces at UCF. Coaches who get fired just seem to lose that credibility. You still have to have the horses.
Devries at Drake would be making 500K tops and probably less. Doubt if any of the others are over 400K. My point is we can afford them. Gotta get Devries fast. Drake and Loyola are both MVC teams and should both get in this year.
I am really curious how the pandemic has changed what we can afford
Perhaps this question needs to be rephrased as this - “can we afford to keep what we currently have any longer”?
So you're saying that he recruited the core of the best team that we have had in this conference (last year)???
if Magnay would have stayed, then the Magnay, Igbanu, Korita, jackson, Joiner, Jeffries is a list of our best players of any Haith has recruited.
Helping build the best team of the guy you're about to fire is damning with some pretty faint praise.
In one respect yes, but on the other hand, that group probably kept Haith here a
couple of years longer, because to me, recruiting has fallen off since then....
One of the most frustrating things about this year's team was the fact we didn't
have enough scoring if we put in our defenders, and not nearly enough defense
and defensive rebounding if we put in some folks that could potentially score...
That, and the fact we had almost universally poor defense/rebounding out of
our post position, adds up to poor recruiting, and simply won't 'feed the bulldog'
in the AAC...
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When has oru been to the ncaa tournament I think haith has more 1 than oru under their current coach I guess self never took them to the tournament.
Mills from the Drew coaching tree is a heck of a recruiter. Abamas, Obanor, jurgens, and Weaver are pretty good. Maybe not quite as athletic as you need for AAC play.
Kinda glad we didn't play them . Could have been embarrassing for our school. We gain nothing by playing them in the NET.
Abmas could play anywhere. That kid can flat out score. Obanor plays with a chip on his shoulder.
I don’t know anything about Mills. But I looked at their roster. They have quite a few players from TX, but half the team is from all over the world. It’s crazy.
Oh, and another thing. Mills talks about his emphasis on rebounding. The Titans have led their league in rebounding the past few years. Hmmmmmm
Oh, and another thing. Mills talks about his emphasis on rebounding. The Titans have led their league in rebounding the past few years. Hmmmmmm
Mills and oru is are up 9 points at the half as a 4 seed over 1 seed sdst in semifinals of summit tourney if they hold and beat the winner of ndsu and South Dakota they are dancing and we are not .
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It’s amazing that ORU can sign a shooter and TU can’t get a sniff of an outside shooter and
for that matter an inside scorer either.
