Giving Russia a pass?
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This WSJ poll is really disappointing for me. Ranks China as our #1 threat by a 3:1 ratio over Russia. Respect for the military has dropped dramatically, largely I suspect because of it's williingness to stand up for the Constitution against Trump and the withdrawal mess from Afghanistan.
The US distrust for China follows a often repeated pattern of a dominant power feeling threatened by a rising power that goes back to the Greeks and has resulted in numerous wars. The US and China have greatly prospered together and the relationship is one that has to be carefully managed, not used as election fodder in domestic politics.
Meanwhile Russia is a militaristic nuclear power with little economic significance to the US, yet they are the ones undermining our elections, hacking and black mailing our companies and local governments, and threatening their neighbors militarily. Russia since Trump has gotten a pass they do not deserve.
The US distrust for China follows a often repeated pattern of a dominant power feeling threatened by a rising power that goes back to the Greeks and has resulted in numerous wars. The US and China have greatly prospered together and the relationship is one that has to be carefully managed, not used as election fodder in domestic politics.
Meanwhile Russia is a militaristic nuclear power with little economic significance to the US, yet they are the ones undermining our elections, hacking and black mailing our companies and local governments, and threatening their neighbors militarily. Russia since Trump has gotten a pass they do not deserve.
U really are obtuse about China.
What came first the money 💰 or the obtuseness.
What came first the money 💰 or the obtuseness.
We have lost our strength as a world leader.
We don't solve problems, we just throw money at them.
To level the playing field, we just lower the bar.
We penalize success and achievememt, and reward mediocrity and bad behavior.
We politicize and polarize everything.
We dictate. andd mandate instead of allowing open debate.
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We don't solve problems, we just throw money at them.
To level the playing field, we just lower the bar.
We penalize success and achievememt, and reward mediocrity and bad behavior.
We politicize and polarize everything.
We dictate. andd mandate instead of allowing open debate.
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Given Putin's efforts to keep Biden from being elected and undermine US elections, look to Germany for the pressure on Biden. The pipeline was 90% complete and what else did we have to offer beyond sanctions? I don't like it either, but Putin's agent in the US is still Trump.
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Was hoping Biden would stand up to Russia. Unfortunately it appears he is doing the opposite and has rewarded them for their actions. Cowering to Russia is bad policy. Putin only respects strength. Are we about to have a repeat of the Russian annexation of Crimea under Obama in the Ukraine under Biden’s watch? For all the tough talk from candidate Biden we have seen zero actions. In fact his policies have made Putin richer and stronger. Need to see some strength in the coming months.
Agreed. But I don't know enough about the relationship and situation in Germany and perhaps neighboring countries to know what his choices were. As you can see from my posts above, my view is that Putin is actively evil and determined to do anything he can to undermine the US. The primary mutual economic benefits from dealing with Russia are indirect through our European allies. Putin must have loved Trump's undermining our relationships with Europe, Canada, Mexico, and even China while giving him a pass in the middle east, particularly Syria. Yeah, Germany is not good, but again, what did we have to offer Germany and it neighbors as an offset for saying 'no'. I don't know.
China on the other hand is a fact and one that, whether we like or not, we are closely intertwined with economically and globally. Going to war with China would be a complete disaster for the whole world, so as many warts as China has, we need to deal with it. It's good that Biden and Xi are at least talking about mutual interests. We have many. China does have an advantage of being able to plan long range. The US suffers along under two year election cycles that insure that no one, Americans and foreign countries alike, can depend on our policies or agreements for more than a few years at a time.
If we are smart and consistent, we could find a way to avoid going to war with China. In my view Xi is driven to make China great economically and is smart enough to see the benefits of a partnership, albeit one more to their liking, than having an enemy. Putin doesn't see any economic partnerhship benefits with the US, probably because there aren't many. Putin just wants to expand and control more of the world around him and hates the US for NATO and sanctions that get in his way. So his minions hack and blackmail our government, institutions, and companies, undermine our electiions, and support the continued growth of divisive conspiracy theories and fake news, some of which we see posted here. Two very different challenges.
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WTH is going on with Biden when it comes to Putin and Russia? He’s been acting like Putin’s puppet for the good part of the last 6 months. WATU…what you thinking ? This has gone far beyond just giving Russia a pass.
politicalwire.com
Biden Makes Diplomatic Concession to Russia
"Joe Biden has made a significant diplomatic concession to Moscow designed to prevent an invasion of Ukraine by signalling he wants to convene meetings between Nato allies and Russia to discuss Vladimir Putin’s grievances with the transatlantic security pact," the Financial Times reports.
politicalwire.com
Senate Dems blocked sanctions against Putin today through of all things a filibuster. What is going with Putin and Biden?
My guess is Putin's got our European allies between a rock and diamond alley. Thus Biden/congressional democrats realize it won't do any good without some support in Europe.
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Man... wouldn't it be nice if the two sides were actually allowed to work together to pass bills rather than only working to guarantee that a minority of your side doesn't vote for the other guy's stuff?
The distrust our European allies have for us post the cluster duck Afghanistan withdrawal makes it nearly impossible to expect any support.
Found it numerous the same day the Dems are screaming about the fillibuster they use it. Gotta love hypocrisy
Was Trump’s horrible withdrawl deal with Afghanistan another gift to Putin. Trump back ed it even after leaving office.
“Though the former President offered his support of President Joe Biden's plans to bring home American troops, he urged his successor to draw an end to America's longest war well before the September 11 deadline that Biden set last week. Trump said that while leaving Afghanistan is "a wonderful and positive thing to do," he had set a May 1 withdrawal deadline and added that "we should keep as close to that schedule as possible."
Disagree. Deal sucked because 1. The Taliban would never ever dream of sticking to it. They believe it is their moral obligation to extract as much as they can from us and then break any deal they make. And 2. It was completely demoralizing to our Afghan partners. We cut them out of it. The entire process was a slap in the face to them. Keep in mind active service members were openly mocking the deal when it happened. However, Biden was not bound to a 
deal that both the Taliban AND Biden admin had already violated multiple times, and he was not required to make one dumb decision after another as he executed it. The entire “well Trump did X so Biden had to follow it” argument is so transparently in bad faith I’m surprised people aren’t embarrassed to make it. Biden was not elected to be a continuation of the Trump admin’s policies and certainly not their incompetence.
deal that both the Taliban AND Biden admin had already violated multiple times, and he was not required to make one dumb decision after another as he executed it. The entire “well Trump did X so Biden had to follow it” argument is so transparently in bad faith I’m surprised people aren’t embarrassed to make it. Biden was not elected to be a continuation of the Trump admin’s policies and certainly not their incompetence.
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No, one side believes eliminating it will be good for their side in the long run and the other side doesn’t. That’s the entirety of their motivations.
It being good for their side or not good for their side doesn't speak to whether they actually believe it's broken.
They don’t actually care about that so it’s irrelevant
You believe something is broken but continue to utilize it at every opportunity. ….interesting. Hard to take the argument seriously.
It’s hypocritical, but politically it’s intelligent. It’s kind of like driving a gasoline engine these days instead of a electric vehicle. Hypocritical, but financially it makes sense.
That’s where you are wrong.
They don’t actually believe it’s broken. They have no principle but power. If the filibuster can be used to their benefit it’s good. That’s why many of them called it vital while Trump was president. Now that they think they have an opportunity to permanently radically alter the country it’s bad and “broken” and a “Jim crow relic” and must be eliminated now to save democracy. The entire debate is a joke and it’s hilarious that Dems know they can throw this stuff out there and the press and their voters will march along with it like good little foot soldiers.
Unfortunately no one cares about these individuals or the Ukrainians in general. The US won’t even send special forces into the country to evacuate US citizens out of fear of conflict with Putin’s troops. Putin is fully aware he can invade the country with no U.S. or NATO opposition….which is why he will.
Putin's Dream Team at work in the US. From an Israeli newspaper. If Trump had won, we would not be talkng about the Ukraine because it would already just another part of Putin's Russia. Biden has done a good job of pulling together the Western alliance that Trump worked hard to fracture. Perilous times.
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😂😂😂. Yet he waited until Trump was out of office to make any move on the Ukraine. He knows what to expect from Biden…a strongly worded and somewhat incoherent condemnation.Putin's Dream Team at work in the US. From an Israeli newspaper. If Trump had won, we would not be talkng about the Ukraine because it would already just another part of Putin's Russia. Biden has done a good job of pulling together the Western alliance that Trump worked hard to fracture. Perilous times.
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Biden has the strongliest words of condemnation out there.
He's the king of condemnation.
both have finacial interests in Russia. Difference is trumps are general business while Bidens are tied to Putin
These analysts saying a rump state is a distinct possibility, are delusional. That Ukraine 🇺🇦 could become like east and west Berlin, is so far distanced from Putin's plans, it's not even funny.
The only way he let's a western ukraine 🇺🇦 exist is if he feels occupying the entire country will cost him too much expense and losses. More than likely he will just put in a puppet government in Kiev, and wear the resistance down with time.
The only way he let's a western ukraine 🇺🇦 exist is if he feels occupying the entire country will cost him too much expense and losses. More than likely he will just put in a puppet government in Kiev, and wear the resistance down with time.
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