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TulsaRulzOSUdrools said:
What would be the extent of a a "competitive" division there?
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An academy/competitive set of teams like you would find at TSC and Blitz and competing in OPL. BASC has used the BA Express as a natural lure to keep kids from leaving their rec programs to go to the other clubs in town once those players felt they outgrew the rec level. My entire U9 team in BA left to move to different competitive clubs after that season. With Express, BA can now say stay here, play at those same competitive levels as those other clubs and pay a fraction of the cost in addition to playing at the best complex in OK. (It's still the best complex in the state although I suspect Scheel's will be on par or pass it in the next couple of years with the rapid improvements they are making). Both BASC and MTSC sort of were feeder programs into TSC prior to that and Barry somehow undid those relationships.

BA Express has been growing there base as well. And they've got a couple of pretty good teams. They aren't on the level to be playing ECNL, ECNL-RL, or even NPL yet but they aren't completely overmatched in their OPL games any more. Simba was trying to create the same thing at MTSC but they could never convince enough of the good players at Metro to make that extra monetary and time commitment for that level and they couldn't convince enough kids from other programs to come over either. I do know some TSc kids who did go over...but the problem eventually was having combined age group teams to make a team. I think my son's group there was combined 06/05/04 the first year so you have 16 year olds playing against U18/19 teams because you have 1 or 2 04s. Don't get me wrong, Simba is a great coach and soccer mind. He was just tasked with something that was unsustainable without a significant investment by MTSC into pushing or forcing certain teams and kids into that level.
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TUcandoit said:
That teaches the coach nothing of his team. He went out and did that the first exhibition and won by what?? 40 24 . This one was to find weaknesses. Winning doesnt tell you where you are weak. Would you rather see a rough exhibition that he can go in and fix and not count against us? Or see something bad happen week 2 and we lose because we didnt find anything out in our exhibition and it could have been addressed weeks before?
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Missouri S&T Exhibition

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chito_and_leon said:
This seems obvious to me, and it's an idea that rightly or wrongly is well entrenched in sports culture, that when a lower team plays a higher team, the lower team is motivated to give it their all and the higher team might slack. You hear this a lot when a higher team talks about a lower team like "this was their super bowl" or the best team is like "every team brings their A game against us." I'd expect a bunch of DII kids to work like crazy to beat a DI team. And the coach probably looks at the value of the game for the DII team differently than the DI team. Maybe I'm not understanding your point because it seems obvious.
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it's the opposite in this case. It will be an exhibition for them but a game for us.
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astonmartin708 said:
Funny that one team can consider it an exhibition in their schedule while the other teams doesn’t…

When is a friendly not a friendly?
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This seems obvious to me, and it's an idea that rightly or wrongly is well entrenched in sports culture, that when a lower team plays a higher team, the lower team is motivated to give it their all and the higher team might slack. You hear this a lot when a higher team talks about a lower team like "this was their super bowl" or the best team is like "every team brings their A game against us." I'd expect a bunch of DII kids to work like crazy to beat a DI team. And the coach probably looks at the value of the game for the DII team differently than the DI team. Maybe I'm not understanding your point because it seems obvious.
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TUcandoit said:
That teaches the coach nothing of his team. He went out and did that the first exhibition and won by what?? 40. This one was to find weaknesses. Winning doesnt tell you where you are weak. Would you rather see a rough exhibition that he can go in and fix and not count against us? Or see something bad happen week 2 and we lose because we didnt find anything out in our exhibition and it could have been addressed weeks before?
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If this is his logic then we should be playing a real team that can stretch us. The fact that MOST and not Drake or Ill. St. stretched us is concerning.
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TUcandoit said:
Exhibition games are literally designed as one last chance before a season starts to see where you are lacking. Where you need to practice more, get stronger, and what you can build upon. It's to get that 1-2 weeks of closed practices to really get prepared for opening game. A coach who uses exhibitions only to get a "W" is doing it wrong in my opinion. You don't learn anything from that. You need those games to find those weaknesses and improve upon them. Put them in rough scenarios and see how they do.
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Well, usually coaches schedule exhibitions against lower division teams so they can do the things you said and still get the easy W. Most coaches don't have to choose one or the other. That's the concern. We should be able to play the end of the bench and win by 20.
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AvsRick said:
I disagree whole heartedly. The team and fan base needs W's and momentum right now. If TU was coming off successful seasons, i could get behind that mentality. But right now, nothing is more important than winning for the program even if it is just an exhibition.
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That teaches the coach nothing of his team. He went out and did that the first exhibition and won by what?? 40. This one was to find weaknesses. Winning doesnt tell you where you are weak. Would you rather see a rough exhibition that he can go in and fix and not count against us? Or see something bad happen week 2 and we lose because we didnt find anything out in our exhibition and it could have been addressed weeks before?
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TUcandoit said:
I don't understand how any of you are taking an exhibition game with anything more than a grain of salt. If you are predicting our season off an exhibition game...that's weak. See how they do Monday and then start forming opinions. If you picked your superbowl champion by their preseason record you would have the wrong team almost every single year.
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TUcandoit said:
Exhibition games are literally designed as one last chance before a season starts to see where you are lacking. Where you need to practice more, get stronger, and what you can build upon. It's to get that 1-2 weeks of closed practices to really get prepared for opening game. A coach who uses exhibitions only to get a "W" is doing it wrong in my opinion. You don't learn anything from that. You need those games to find those weaknesses and improve upon them. Put them in rough scenarios and see how they do.
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I disagree whole heartedly. The team and fan base needs W's and momentum right now. If TU was coming off successful seasons, i could get behind that mentality. But right now, nothing is more important than winning for the program even if it is just an exhibition.
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Fire him TOMORROW!

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Larry Lewis said:
Interesting that East Carolina, TU's next opponent, canned their coach at 3-4 and then EC won the next week. He was making 2.3 mil supposedly - 1.4 base and rest with incentives.

I see TU possibly winning the final game of the season to go 4-8 again. Obviously, a lot more than just the record. Being humiliated by not being able to be competitive, especially against teams that are no good, ain't gonna cut it, ever. Everyone knows that. Everyone. Unless things immediately change... Immediately...
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I personally think it's ridiculous that we haven't fired him yet. Not sure the logic of it.
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Exhibition games are literally designed as one last chance before a season starts to see where you are lacking. Where you need to practice more, get stronger, and what you can build upon. It's to get that 1-2 weeks of closed practices to really get prepared for opening game. A coach who uses exhibitions only to get a "W" is doing it wrong in my opinion. You don't learn anything from that. You need those games to find those weaknesses and improve upon them. Put them in rough scenarios and see how they do.
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Fire him TOMORROW!

Larry Lewis
Interesting that East Carolina, TU's next opponent, canned their coach at 3-4 and then EC won the next week. He was making 2.3 mil supposedly - 1.4 base and rest with incentives.

I see TU possibly winning the final game of the season to go 4-8 again. Obviously, a lot more than just the record. Being humiliated by not being able to be competitive, especially against teams that are no good, ain't gonna cut it, ever. Everyone knows that. Everyone. Unless things immediately change... Immediately...
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