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2024 Election prediction/discussion

Even though they would not be able to overthrow the government, they did have the capability to capture members of congress, and hold them hostage, if they hadn't mostly left in the time the rioters were held at bay outside. And there were a few that had weapons. Regardless, this was a weak disorganized and poorly looking response from our government. And the reason it appeared that way was because of Trump's lack of action. Also he willfully didn't act.

This was not a good look as you often point out about other events. This look could embolden others to make better plans and try it again, whether it was other citizens that were unhappy or a foreign government seeing this as a window to exploit. I just don't understand how republicans can excuse this. I will just about guarantee you that if this was a Democrat President who pulled this, there would be a united chorus coming out of the Republican peanut gallery of voters and politicians. And there would be Democrat defectors who were speaking out against it, the same as there are Republican defectors now.

We really don't ever want to be put in this situation, where our congressman are in fear for their safety. We want to be a strong nation that never had that happen, and certainly not in our capital. Until Jan 6, we were that nation.
Agee. I am in no way defending J6. It was a disgraceful act which can never again occur. My only contention is with the notion that these idiots almost overthrew the US government.

2024 Election prediction/discussion

it's So weird to me that people think the Chinese have some crazy interest in Ukraine.

Russia has always been weary of the Chinese in eastern Russia and hell they have fought multiple wars. An the treaty of Peking to this day has been viewed as an absolute disgrace for China.
I don't think the Chinese has an interest in Ukraine or the Russians have an interest in Taiwan. But I think that despite Russia/Putin's wariness (And it does come down to Putin. Russia isn't wary of anything if Putin isn't wary. His rule is iron. We know that because we saw it seriously threatened for the first time, and now Prigozhin is dead.)

Putin's actions say that he would trust China in a joint war against the West. If we attacked either of their soil, I believe both would think it of necessity to help each other to defend themselves. Because if we were successful in defeating one of them, then they wouldn't have that ally in the future. The concept is power in numbers, and taking advantage of it, before it disappears. To defend each other is to also give each other more ability to take actions that the US/West might have a problem with.(Ukraine/Taiwan) You help me with this task, and I'll back you up with yours.

2024 Election prediction/discussion

If you can’t understand why a several hundred unarmed people without any assistance from the police, FBI, CIA or military can’t overthrow the U.S. government then I can’t help you here. This might be the stupidest argument yet.
I have said this ad naseum and mentioned this many times on this board. J6 was the culmination of his BS. Jeff Clark and plenty of his legal team were working to get legislators to overturn the vote in each state.

Chris's third grade level of analysis of the use of the word fight is where we are today. The continual lack of nuance is truly disappointing.

2024 Election prediction/discussion

My only fear is that Trump will break down those checks with both the house and Senate going Republican. He will be given carte blanche on appointments and attempt to change the civil servants hirings and firings, that he has so far been forbade from touching.
Trump understands how the government works this time around and will be out for vengeance. He says as much. Before he kind of held back.

there are some extreme wackadoos being tossed out for AG like Mike Davis. I have a hard time he gets through confirmation but you don't know.

On the flip side, there are some people that I have hard time believing that won't be supportive of Ukraine like Pompeo or Rubio being tossed for defense. I guess pompeo is out though.
And if Obama had sent over troops to stop Putin from taking Crimea, it might have turned into WWIII. Same with Biden sending over troops. You don't have a clue what China/Iran/N Korea's reaction to that would have been. That's why neither Obama or Biden was quick to send over troops. Then we might be having arguments over the funding of a long drawn out battle, and loss of lives. It's not like these moves had no consequences.
it's So weird to me that people think the Chinese have some crazy interest in Ukraine.

Russia has always been weary of the Chinese in eastern Russia and hell they have fought multiple wars. An the treaty of Peking to this day has been viewed as an absolute disgrace for China.
I see reason just fine. Frame it however you like, but my point stands. The last two losing candidates talked about "fighting" in their speeches after the election. Both speeches were in front of thousands. Neither were calling for the government to be overthrown. You are asking me to suspend logic and reason to say that it's okay for one side to say it, but wrong for the other side to say it. I don't apply rules that way.

2024 Election prediction/discussion

Even though they would not be able to overthrow the government, they did have the capability to capture members of congress, if they hadn't mostly left in the time the rioters were held at bay outside. And there were a few that had weapons. Regardless, this was a weak disorganized and poorly looking response from our government. And the reason it appeared that way was because of Trump's lack of action. Also he willfully didn't act.

This was not a good look as you often point out about other events. This look could embolden others to make better plans and try it again, whether it was other citizens that were unhappy or a foreign government seeing this as a window to exploit. I just don't understand how republicans can excuse this. I will just about guarantee you that if this was a Democrat President who pulled this, there would be a united chorus coming out of the Republican peanut gallery of voters and politicians. And there would be Democrat defectors who were speaking out against it, the same as there are Republican defectors now.
Agree 100% and don't understand how anyone can see it otherwise.

2024 Election prediction/discussion

If you can’t understand why a several hundred unarmed people without any assistance from the police, FBI, CIA or military can’t overthrow the U.S. government then I can’t help you here. This might be the stupidest argument yet.
Even though they would not be able to overthrow the government, they did have the capability to capture members of congress, and hold them hostage, if they hadn't mostly left in the time the rioters were held at bay outside. And there were a few that had weapons. Regardless, this was a weak disorganized and poorly looking response from our government. And the reason it appeared that way was because of Trump's lack of action. Also he willfully didn't act.

This was not a good look as you often point out about other events. This look could embolden others to make better plans and try it again, whether it was other citizens that were unhappy or a foreign government seeing this as a window to exploit. I just don't understand how republicans can excuse this. I will just about guarantee you that if this was a Democrat President who pulled this, there would be a united chorus coming out of the Republican peanut gallery of voters and politicians. And there would be Democrat defectors who were speaking out against it, the same as there are Republican defectors now.

We really don't ever want to be put in this situation, where our congressman are in fear for their safety. We want to be a strong nation that never had that happen, and certainly not in our capital. Until Jan 6, we were that nation.
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