Threatening violence to resolve disputes…. That’s “white trash”. Doesn’t matter if you are billionaire or a pauper. Class is in your words and deeds.

astonmartin708 said:

I agree that I have not been vocal enough on that for the Dems. You are correct. It’s not that I have not considered the issue previously, I think several minority groups in the Democratic Party tend to have similar issues with ignoring the importance of education and that also why they’re being targeted by Trump to carve off (mainly poor Latinos and African Americans)

What I will say is more of a positive is that this stance is not worming its way into the Dem party platform nationally like it is in the Republican Party.

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It’s worse. If Dems really cared about those minorities they would be highly critical of their approach to education. Tough love if you will. Instead they might casually mention it and quickly move on. This has been going on for years. They simply don’t care as long as those people vote for them. I think at times they prefer to keep them dependent on government as a means to control.

lawpoke87 said:

The problem is you ignore the some of the same characteristics in Dems because your blind partisanship. There’s a significant portion of the Dem base who simply do not believe education is important. Yet I have never seen you call them out. Why….because your inability to logically reason due to partisanship. Your constantly denigrate those who vote differently than you or even those who your Democratic leaders oppose at the time. It is what it is. Unfortunately, it makes you look as dumb as those people you attack.

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I agree that I have not been vocal enough on that for the Dems. You are correct. It’s not that I have not considered the issue previously, I think several minority groups in the Democratic Party tend to have similar issues with ignoring the importance of education and that also why they’re being targeted by Trump to carve off (mainly poor Latinos and African Americans)

What I will say is more of a positive is that this stance is not worming its way into the Dem party platform nationally like it is in the Republican Party.

astonmartin708 said:

I agree that people don’t enjoy it and it can make them combative, but I don’t know if refusing to acknowledge reality does much good either.

It’s a touchy subject.

When I see some of these behaviors being adopted or supported at a national party level (like disparaging learning) I feel it has to be addressed.

Let me say this, I’m not totally devoid of classlessness myself sometimes and I admit I can be hypocritical in this realm, for instance I moved into a neighborhood with a lot of older upper middle class folks not too long ago and I struggle to take care of my yard with the same quality that some of my neighbors do, and it makes me feel pretty terrible to be the person bringing the rest of the neighborhood down sometimes. It’s a never ending struggle to try and get better / do better.

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The problem is you ignore the some of the same characteristics in Dems because your blind partisanship. There’s a significant portion of the Dem base who simply do not believe education is important. Yet I have never seen you call them out. Why….because your inability to logically reason due to partisanship. Your constantly denigrate those who vote differently than you or even those who your Democratic leaders oppose at the time. It is what it is. Unfortunately, it makes you look as dumb as those people you attack.

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drboobay said:

It is the overgeneralization that presents the problem. And the patronizing attitude that gets projected.

Nobody likes to be told they are ignorant. It is a poor tactic for persuasion and leads to defensive reactions. Even irrational ones.

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I agree that people don’t enjoy it and it can make them combative, but I don’t know if refusing to acknowledge reality does much good either.

It’s a touchy subject.

When I see some of these behaviors being adopted or supported at a national party level (like disparaging learning) I feel it has to be addressed.

Let me say this, I’m not totally devoid of classlessness myself sometimes and I admit I can be hypocritical in this realm, for instance I moved into a neighborhood with a lot of older upper middle class folks not too long ago and I struggle to take care of my yard with the same quality that some of my neighbors do especially those who are retirees, and it makes me feel pretty terrible to be the person bringing the rest of the neighborhood down sometimes. It’s a never ending struggle to try and get better / do better.

astonmartin708 said:

I don’t feel too much empathy for people who are okay smoking and / or cursing constantly around (or sometimes at) their children in public and private.

I don’t feel much empathy for people who disparage intelligence and learning (the foundations of which they benefit from every day). I especially don’t feel empathy for people who disparage teachers while simultaneously imparting toxic traits to their children.

I don’t feel much empathy for people who don’t care much for their children living in a better circumstance than they had.

I don’t feel empathy with people who try to resolve disputes with threats and physical violence.

Dems have some of these people too, but proportionally, and this is an anecdotal observation, I have met far more of them who openly support Trump and disparage Democrats in general.

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It is the overgeneralization that presents the problem. And the patronizing attitude that gets projected.

Nobody likes to be told they are ignorant. It is a poor tactic for persuasion and leads to defensive reactions. Even irrational ones.

drboobay said:

Unfortunately this kind of thinking partly justifies the reaction against "elites" we hear so much about. Nobody likes being belittled. It reinforces populist thinking as a reaction.

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I don’t feel too much empathy for people who are okay smoking and / or cursing constantly around (or sometimes at) their children in public and private.

I don’t feel much empathy for people who disparage intelligence and learning (the foundations of which they benefit from every day). I especially don’t feel empathy for people who disparage teachers while simultaneously imparting toxic traits to their children.

I don’t feel much empathy for people who don’t care much for their children living in a better circumstance than they had.

I don’t feel empathy with people who try to resolve disputes with threats and physical violence.

Dems have some of these people too, but proportionally, and this is an anecdotal observation, I have met far more of them who openly support Trump and disparage Democrats in general.

drboobay said:

Ick. You reveal yourself sir.

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Let me rephrase. It is a reductive term to call his ENTIRE base, but I find that many of his base do fit that term. I have family members who fit both categories…. And I also worked very hard in my life to overcome my surroundings of crass, classless people.

lawpoke87 said:

I can’t imagine having this much hate and prejudice inside me.

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Unfortunately this kind of thinking partly justifies the reaction against "elites" we hear so much about. Nobody likes being belittled. It reinforces populist thinking as a reaction.

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astonmartin708 said:

I prefer the term “white trash”

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I can’t imagine having this much hate and prejudice inside me.

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astonmartin708 said:

I prefer the term “white trash”

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Ick. You reveal yourself sir.

astonmartin708 said:

The likes of Nixon and Trump are not incredibly different.

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I disagree.

Don't let UAB get an early lead and get confidence. When a team hasn't won a D-1 game since last season, you can't let them hang around. Play well and finish it off.

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The election still remains very close. Polls favorable to both candidates have come out in the last 24 hours. Which ones have the modeling correct is the question. At the end of the day it all boils down to turnout. If Harris can capture the Biden turnout, she will win easily. If she fails to motivate the Dems to get out and vote this will be very close. Trump needs to surpass his 2020 vote total imo. Looks like he’s doing better with minorities….especially blacks and Hispanics. Still think this comes down to Dem turnout. Think this all comes down to Pennsylvania. Nail biter coming our way Tuesday night.

aTUfan said:

the party of inclusion thinks that 80,000,000 Americans are Garbage

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I prefer the term “white trash”

lawpoke87 said:

lol. The likes of John McCain and Bob Dole are not the same opponent as Donald Trump. Reading your posts I’m beginning to realize how the same party could be endorsed for 50 straight years regardless of candidate and appreciate this change all the more.

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The likes of Nixon and Trump are not incredibly different.

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