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lawpoke87 said:

I wonder what percent of these people who are registering independent would have registered Dem 20-30 years ago?

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Good point. So I haven’t done politics in Oklahoma for money, fun or the love of a neurotic woman since 1998.

So my numbers are fuzzy. But basically Oklahoma was 80/18/2 in favor of Dems from the New Deal until 1980. As demographics shifted and the World War II generation died off, that has slowly shifted away from Dems.

From 1980 through 2000, a fair portion of Republican voters in Oklahoma registered as NPA for social reasons. In short, your boss was a Dem. It very often had nothing to do with politics. You simply couldn’t call yourself a Republican in public and keep your job or have folks greet you after church.

It wasn’t until Donald Trump was in the primary in 2016 that Republicans became the majority party in Oklahoma by registration. Yet, independent voters have steadily grown, cutting further into what was once a supermajority for the Dems.

My sense is that those numbers are largely based on voter dissatisfaction with both sides, not one side.

As Oklahomans become dissatisfied with the extremes on both sides, you wonder if NPA will be the unofficial unorganized party of the center. And if that is a harbinger for the nation.

And also a sizeable number of public servants and military personnel who for official or unofficial policy reasons are registering as NPA for convenience.

PiKA1000 said:

Asked around and sounds like KW has taken a HUGE step back from involvement at practices. Burton runs them half the time now from what I was told and KW goes from group to group and from time to time gives his two cents (so to speak). He’s quieter and watches the practice as a whole more rather than being as involved as he was before UAB.

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This won't make a damn bit of difference. Who cares...get rid of him.

Asked around and sounds like KW has taken a HUGE step back from involvement at practices. Burton runs them half the time now from what I was told and KW goes from group to group and from time to time gives his two cents (so to speak). He’s quieter and watches the practice as a whole more rather than being as involved as he was before UAB.

lawpoke87 said:

Trying to get away from Aston’s unhinged tantrums and get this thread back on track. Trump won both Florida and Texas by 13 plus points. Why….Hispanics in increasing numbers are voting with the GOP. Do the Dems dial back some of their more extreme social positions in an attempt to get those voters to return to the Dems? I’ve seen multiple hosts on MSNBC suggest as much. Food for thought…beginning in 2032 a candidate will only need to carry the swing states of Ga, Nc, Zona and Nevada to win the presidency. The blue wall will be out of the equation.

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What’s unhinged about praising our shining beacon of fascismo? He convinced the Hispanics, the Jews, the African Americans! He has the most wonderful message! Everyone is getting on board with the new party!

This isn’t your grand daddy’s fascism. No sir.
This is different for…reasons!

Regardless of who starts against ECU, the way ECU has been playing the last three weeks since firing their HC is impressive. They beat us, they are bowl eligible. That is crazy.

Thursday could be a loooong night.

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drboobay said:

I was referring to the rate. The % increase over

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I wonder what percent of these people who are registering independent would have registered Dem 20-30 years ago?

lawpoke87 said:

Second fastest ? Based on registration it appears Oklahoma Dems are a dying party. I would expect independents to overtake them in the next five to ten years.

Oklahoma Voter Registration Numbers Surpass 2.4 Million Ahead of the General Election

oklahoma.gov

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I was referring to the rate. The % increase over time.

drboobay said:

I am an optimist at heart.

Fastest growing political registration in OK is unaffiliated. Unaffiliated plus Democrat make up about 45% of the electorate.

Nonpartisan elections already happen in OKC and Tulsa by referendum.

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Second fastest ? Based on registration it appears Oklahoma Dems are a dying party. I would expect independents to overtake them in the next five to ten years.

BTW we would still have Stitt under such a system but not a weirdo like Ryan Walters.

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Gmoney4WW said:

I doubt it. The republican party won't let democrats or independents vote in their primaries and will fight this hard. Whereas the democrats don't mind if the independents want to vote in their primaries. The republicans will fight this with a passion. Seeing as how Republicans are massively the majority in this state, it probably won't pass.

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I am an optimist at heart.

Fastest growing political registration in OK is unaffiliated. Unaffiliated plus Democrat make up about 45% of the electorate.

Nonpartisan elections already happen in OKC and Tulsa by referendum.

drboobay said:

It is only a matter of time before Oklahomans vote on this. It will pass IMO and transform state politics much as it has done for Tulsa and OKC city politics.

Oklahoma group weighing open primary ballot initiative to increase inclusion, reduce divisiveness • Oklahoma Voice

Oklahoma supporters of open primaries are working on an initiative petition to let voters decide whether or not a massive change is needed.

oklahomavoice.com

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I doubt it. The republican party won't let democrats or independents vote in their primaries and will fight this hard. Whereas the democrats don't mind if the independents want to vote in their primaries. The republicans will fight this with a passion. Seeing as how Republicans are massively the majority in this state, it probably won't pass if it ever came up for a vote.(which it probably never will, seeing as how said republican politicians won't even entertain the thought of putting it to the people.)

It is only a matter of time before Oklahomans vote on this. It will pass IMO and transform state politics much as it has done for Tulsa and OKC city politics.

lawpoke87 said:

Unfortunately, I believe it’s becoming harder and harder for moderates to win the nomination for either party.

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The bottom line is you can’t win without money and center voters typically do not donate. And they rarely drive clicks.

The epitaph of Harris may very well read: Raised more faster and spent it quicker than any other candidate before her. Wasted almost a billion of that funding on messaging that persuaded no one.

The uncovered story in this election is how the Democratic platform supposedly says they want to end Republican dark money campaigns but more than half of all the money Harris personally raised came out of four or five PACs whose leadership and fund sources are anonymous. But that scam is its own thread.

Thats what made Barack Obama a unicorn. He was an ultra hard left candidate with enough charisma and earned media backing to appear both centrist and pragmatic. So he could collect small donations in droves. She simply didn’t have it, knew it, and didn’t try. We will likely see more of the same.

Trying to get away from Aston’s unhinged tantrums and get this thread back on track. Trump won both Florida and Texas by 13 plus points. Why….Hispanics in increasing numbers are voting with the GOP. Do the Dems dial back some of their more extreme social positions in an attempt to get those voters to return to the Dems? I’ve seen multiple hosts on MSNBC suggest as much. Food for thought…beginning in 2032 a candidate will only need to carry the swing states of Ga, Nc, Zona and Nevada to win the presidency. The blue wall will be out of the equation.

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Gmoney4WW said:

You aren't being light, you are being annoying. Your comprehension of light is something else. You post something you think is funny for 3 or 5 posts in a row, and whatever. But after the 13th post, let it go. You have been on this schtick for nearly 30 posts now. It got old around the second post.

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Oh, I’m going to keep on it for quite a long time.

These people need the positive reinforcement to show themselves just how intelligent their opinions really are. They deserve to hear their brilliant thoughts being praised and being fedback and turned up to 11. I know that’s what they really want to hear anyway. I am going to agree with them until the cows come home….

Everyone loves the sound of their own voice after all…

Are they going to tell me to stop being so agreeable?

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astonmartin708 said:

Oh come off it man. I’m having fun. Trying to be light hearted about the stupidest people in America disproportionately voting for the worst candidate in US history and trying to steer us all right into an iceberg.

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You aren't being light, you are being annoying. Your comprehension of light is something else. You post something you think is funny for 3 or 5 posts in a row, and whatever. But after the 13th post, let it go. You have been on this schtick for nearly 30 posts now. It got old around the second post.

Gmoney4WW said:

Go away, god you are as bad as fking rippin/rip rep. Get your irritation out somewhere else. Go somewhere else for your extended tantrums. I'm also irritated, but you don't see me going off, like I have no control over my state of mind. You just answer to the voice in your head, irregardless of what anyone says or doesn't say.

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Oh come off it man. I’m having fun. Trying to be light hearted about the stupidest people in America disproportionately voting for the worst candidate in US history and trying to steer us all right into an iceberg.

astonmartin708 said:

It's so pleasing to see hardcore Democrats not come out for Kamala because they viewed her as too conservative, and for independents to call her too liberal. The no-win situation made the task of the Supreme Poo-Ba so much easier.

She could have come out as wanting to give a brand new AR 15 to every newborn child and our keen minded party members would have sussed out her communist plot. They would never be lured into voting for someone with that dreaded 'D' by their name.

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Go away, god you are as bad as fking rippin/rip rep. Get your irritation out somewhere else. Go somewhere else for your extended tantrums. I'm also irritated, but you don't see me going off, like I have no control over my state of mind. You just answer to the voice in your head, irregardless of what anyone says or doesn't say.

Gmoney4WW said:

They(Cheney included) supported Trump's opponent. It could have been Bernie Sanders, and they still might have supported him. That's a false argument.

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It's so pleasing to see hardcore Democrats not come out for Kamala because they viewed her as too conservative, and for independents to call her too liberal. The no-win situation made the task of the Supreme Poo-Ba so much easier.

She could have come out as wanting to give a brand new AR 15 to every newborn child and our keen minded party members would have sussed out her communist plot. They would never be lured into voting for someone with that dreaded 'D' by their name.