TSC has about 800 kids and the contract with Scheels. Neither Blitz or WSA has the capacity to house those kids. IF you can buy TSC for the right place you have a place to grow your club.
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Does TSC look to get out of the contract if it loses NL? I assume WSA would be more than happy to take their place should WSA get NL.
If I’m either of those clubs (WSA and Blitz), I wait and see how TSC’s numbers hold up with the loss of NL. I also want to know how many of those kids I’m able to pick off. Unless I’m able to get TSC at a steep discount, I play the waiting game. Too many unknowns for me. I’m fairly risk adverse though
800 kids? I was under the impression it was a lot less than that, but i agree with Blitz not being able to take on those kids but WSA is huge and could spread those kids out.
The boys side would need to have 500 kids to get to 800 as the girls side has less than 300 last I checked. Makes the math tough when you need to girls side to subsidize the boys. Having to call Arkansas Rising for players to guest in the ECNL showcase is a really bad look. Maybe they don’t care at about optics and ECNL at this point?
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At this point for TSC it’s CYA, they will do whatever it takes to keep up the appearances. Like it has been mentioned multiple times, Tulsa soccer is an absolute mess right now on the girls side and not sure what saves it. Next season I have a feeling that OEFC will be carrying even more Tulsa NL players.
Maybe ECNL, Barry, and the buyer of the club could all work out a deal where NL girls is put on probation for TSC dependent on the sale to a third party.
That would be an ideal situation imo. Unfortunately, the clock is ticking. There would need to be a signed deal submitted to ECNL sooner rather than later. Such a deal would make a lot of sense to Barry as the value of the club will significantly decrease without NL imo. Assuming the boys don’t get MLS Next
I was told TSC NL girls were placed on probation last year as part of the ECRL demotion. TSC denied it. I tend to think the probation rumor was accurate if TSC loses NL this year.
Best boys? They have one team that is really, really good and they aren't even 11 v 11 yet. A couple I would go to far to say as bad.It's a sad state of soccer in Tulsa. I'm not against giving WSA a shot at NL. But unless they can take over TSC's Scheels deal then they have about the worst facilities in the state. The girls aren't going to get better because they wear a new uniform. Technico has the best boys but no place to play or practice (9v9 field). Kraft's should open the wallet and acquire everyone. (Obviously they don't care if you make the playoffs)
They have no model for a club other than poach players by way of promises. It is a long ways from anything resembling a club. Not saying it can't happen but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
The person running it is likely to walk in and blow up chances with one good rant. Their super duper in now is gone with Nsien leaving the USYNT system.
Don't know what you pay but the website implies you don't have an all in price. Base level while lower isn't close to everything I assume. They are probably cutting deals for you.
It helps to have 14 teams in an age group
If that is true, he needs a sale immediately. It has to go for less than what he bought it for, right ? He hasn't expanded revenue or people?
I don't know if the flu has anything to do with this. I know it was rampant last weekend.
Nsien was gone when Barry defaulted on the promissory note Nsien had signed a personal guaranty on and failed to tell him of his decision to stop paying on the note.
Injuries, player leaving the club this week to play for another ECNL club, girls just not wanting to play, etc.. Not much excitement to play glorified friendlies in the cold this weekend
His daughter is an '06. I don't know if she is still on HS or maybe graduated last year. She can still play and maybe he was waiting for her to age out.
It would be a good time to sell the club to FC Tulsa who would gobble it up IMO. That might settle things a bit and if FC Tulsa had a sporting director, a unified approach to training, tactics, etc. could be in the offing. It might also hasten the advent of a USL women's side for Tulsa.
He needs to sell. There isn't a single person who has a positive thing to say about him, which seems to seep into the club regardless if they never interact with him.
Coaches go on epic rants about him and TSC on Facebook. Vuka and his wife were recently supposedly wronged hard by TSC because they took the 2016 boys' team with them, and then TSC asked his daughter to leave. TSC didn't like them hanging around recruiting players. Ask some WSA coaches whom I know about the situation, and they said, "Yeah, screw them." TSC were 100% right to do that.
The sad part is they took some kids and cut them immediately from Technico in the middle of the season. Oops. But that is never mentioned by anyone.
Coaches go on epic rants about him and TSC on Facebook. Vuka and his wife were recently supposedly wronged hard by TSC because they took the 2016 boys' team with them, and then TSC asked his daughter to leave. TSC didn't like them hanging around recruiting players. Ask some WSA coaches whom I know about the situation, and they said, "Yeah, screw them." TSC were 100% right to do that.
The sad part is they took some kids and cut them immediately from Technico in the middle of the season. Oops. But that is never mentioned by anyone.
I would love to hear the whole story behind picking up a players then cutting them mid season. I’m not familiar with them cutting any kids out there.
ECNL won’t announce anything until after their Showcase this weekend. They also don’t announce demotions. The only affirmative statement we will get that TSC lost NL is if they award it to WSA. My guess is Barry is making a lot of calls and trying to figure out his options. My other guess is that the likelihood of no NL in Tulsa next season is growing greater by the day. Hope that doesn’t occur as it would screw over a lot of girls in their recruiting year.
I think no NL for girls in Tulsa is very likely next season. I don’t know how real WSA getting NL ever was.
If ECNL takes NL away from TSC then I really don’t see any other viable options in Tulsa other than WSA. Now I have no idea if having an NL club here is important to ECNL or if they believe Oklahoma is only able to support one competitive NL side and will base that side at OEFC. I can tell you the soccer people in Dallas view TSC and OEFC on different tiers.
Can't dispute this at all. I don't see WSA as deserving of it. Product will be the same or worse and worse facilities. Having 2 RL teams makes more sense for travel. Population of the OKC Metro is a lot larger than Tulsa. I still think if TSC get the option to go MLS Next/GA they tell ECNL to shut it.......Barry hopefully is working a deal to sell.
I don’t see Barry having many options. I assume he sees the writing on the wall with the girls losing NL and the boys going on probation. ECNL seldom places a program on probation and doesn’t follow through with a demotion. Look at Celtic and TSC girls. Writing is on the wall that TSC is likely to lose boys NL in the next 12-24 months without a sale of the club.
Pulling out MLS Next would be some recovery for the boys side. That is big time boys soccer. MLS Next 2 would be a disappointment. GA will kill the girls side if WSA should get NL. I would personally rather play ECRL given the quality and travel requirements of GA.
Clock is ticking for the 2025-2026 season.
I feel 98% confident that 2 years ago they had open invite to MLS Next. Problem was going to be the girls side. If that option is still available you have to take it. If Next 2 is the only option I think you realize you’re going to either not be a club or a RL club.
Agree You have to take an MLS Next invite. You would automatically become the top boys club in the state drawing significant number of boys from the OKC area. I would be excited to have an MLS Next club in Tulsa.
I hate being negative Nelly but I don’t see how clubs in Dallas don’t have MLS next and TSC would get it. I believe MLS Next 2 is a very real possibility.
I don't know where you get your info about MLS Next. That is interesting.
As I mentioned before, there are really big clubs in Dallas that have left or don't compete in it for whatever reason.
I would love to see a Tulsa a team go for it and thrive in it but I still worry that Oklahomans view high school as the end all be all, especially the kids that play 6A and 5A. Boys 5A in Tulsa is pretty competitive among TPS schools and Bishop Kelly. The ones in other classes probably could care a lot less. 4A and below has a lot of really, really terrible games like a whole lot. Even the "good" schools in four 4A could be beat by a 14 year old eCNL-RL team and I am not joking.
As I mentioned before, there are really big clubs in Dallas that have left or don't compete in it for whatever reason.
I would love to see a Tulsa a team go for it and thrive in it but I still worry that Oklahomans view high school as the end all be all, especially the kids that play 6A and 5A. Boys 5A in Tulsa is pretty competitive among TPS schools and Bishop Kelly. The ones in other classes probably could care a lot less. 4A and below has a lot of really, really terrible games like a whole lot. Even the "good" schools in four 4A could be beat by a 14 year old eCNL-RL team and I am not joking.
I don't know. I think they need more than one god awful season. There is some decent younger talent out there. But maybe I am wrong
If those clubs have girls/ programs it would mean yanking them out of ECNL and stuck with GA which everyone is saying is a far inferior level of play.
And MLS Next at TSC, while the name and notoriety would be nice for the club, what does it matter if the club mismanages the whole thing. That is why they're facing the prospect of losing their NL status at the club.
Just saw this and I wonder how it might affect soccer moving forward in Tulsa and if the Crafts are going to jump headfirst into it. USL is launching a 1st division soccer league to rival MLS. The current championship will remain it's current status of d2. HOWEVER, and this is the catch that's really going to attract hardline soccer fans, the USL tiers will now have a promotion/relegation system in place.
Vuko is a little unhinged. His first year coaching at TSc was right when he stopped playing at FC Tulsa (Roughnecks) and started on their coaching staff. A kid on my son's team had a brother who played for him on the TSC NPL team in the 05s. They had kids quitting left and right. Parents complained about him and his demeanor with the kids. Now, I don't know if he's chilled since then, it's been 6 years since that season.
I personally like Vuko, good energy when he his training and coaching. My daughter has trained and played with his ‘11 boys at Tecnico and she likes him as well. I don’t know Vuko outside of this.
Good dude. Good coach. Very intense. Some people can't take intensity. So move on.
There's a strong difference between intensity and hard coaching and completely demeaning a group of kids over a game when they're 14. Again, everything I have is from parents who saw/heard the outbursts...one happened in AR at a tournament and half the kids wanted to leave after the 1st game of the weekend.
As far as being a technical/tactical coach, he is probably really good. Probably really good at teaching teams how to play out of the back. And again, he's probably grown as a youth coach and learned how to control some of what used to set him off. I think this all happened during the 1st year he was coaching at TSC.
Mine as well. Feel awful for all my friends whose daughters play NL here in town. Especially the 2010s as it occurs during their prime recruiting year.
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