We all know that Tulsa will not pay a buyout

[astonmartin708]

Im tired of the good man schtick. How many good men get suspended by the NCAA and jump ship when their program gets their current school in trouble? Go ask the Missouri and Miami folks if they think Haith is a good man.

I feel bad for the freshmen who he tells them and their families that they have potential to be on his basketball team and then he kicks them to the curb after a single rough season. That probably doesn’t just screw up their development as athletes but it might screw up their development as students as well.

 

[cmullinsTU]

I feel bad for the freshmen who he tells them and their families that they have potential to be on his basketball team and then he kicks them to the curb after a single rough season. That probably doesn’t just screw up their development as athletes but it might screw up their development as students as well.

I am ready to move on from Haith but let’s not make things up. Unless you’re privy to something nobody else is here, he’s never kicked a freshman to the curb. Have many transferred out because they’re not getting the PT they want? Yes. But that isn’t the same as him kicking them to the curb.

 

[astonmartin708]

I am ready to move on from Haith but let’s not make things up. Unless you’re privy to something nobody else is here, he’s never kicked a freshman to the curb. Have many transferred out because they’re not getting the PT they want? Yes. But that isn’t the same as him kicking them to the curb.

I don’t think that’s why a lot of them left. Maybe some of the better ones or the more pre-Madonna ones.., but quite a few would have probably liked to have stayed if given the opportunity.

 

[t-townpod]

Im tired of the good man schtick. How many good men get suspended by the NCAA and jump ship when their program gets their current school in trouble? Go ask the Missouri and Miami folks if they think Haith is a good man.

This was Franks response to suspension. Have to agree with him on corrupts nature of college BB.
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"I feel bad for the freshmen who he tells them and their families that they have potential to be on his basketball team and then he kicks them to the curb after a single rough season. That probably doesn’t just screw up their development as athletes but it might screw up their development as students as well.
"Did we win enough games for the Miami supporters? You read the papers, I don't think they felt that great about what we did there," he said. "I didn't recruit, I didn't get the five-star guys. And let's, like I said, let's don't be naïve about the level. Our business is corrupt and how we got to deal with these guys at the high level kid."
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[TU_BLA]

Players with good leadership abilities helped Phillips out a lot. Don't forget about Charlie Davis. I was in the locker room for a game in 2003 and Charlie impressed me as the leader of that team. When he talked, they all listened. I wouldn't say the same for Phillips.

BINGO. I worked with several of the coaches at the time helping them with their basketball camps and logistics. Let's just say organization and communication was not a strongpoint of that staff. I understand this is periphery stuff, but if you can't get simple things like that figured out how the hell are you going to recruit and manage contacts. The basketball part with that roster was simple. I think the core of that group having played for Self and his assistants basically instilled in them how to win on the court at that level. Any one of us on this board probably could have gotten the same results as Phillips in 2002 and 2003 (of course I would have played the end of the Wisconsin game a little differently in 2003).

 

[TU4ever2]

BINGO. I worked with several of the coaches at the time helping them with their basketball camps and logistics. Let's just say organization and communication was not a strongpoint of that staff. I understand this is periphery stuff, but if you can't get simple things like that figured out how the hell are you going to recruit and manage contacts. The basketball part with that roster was simple. I think the core of that group having played for Self and his assistants basically instilled in them how to win on the court at that level. Any one of us on this board probably could have gotten the same results as Phillips in 2002 and 2003 (of course I would have played the end of the Wisconsin game a little differently in 2003).

Ah no lol

Most of the people on this board couldn't run an 8 year old rec league team. Including several in here in this discussion.

It's a message board though so carry on.

 

[Babe the Blue Ox]

Ah no lol

Most of the people on this board couldn't run an 8 year old rec league team. Including several in here in this discussion.

It's a message board though so carry on.

Watch out for those 8 year olds. I once had a third grade girl ask if she could wear her feather boa during practice. That wasn’t one of my better teams.

 

[rusty-c]

Hell, I tried and couldn’t manage my son basketball team when he was just starting out in youth BB years ago. Usually couldn’t stop laughing at the kids when they had another team on the court with them. Some of the funniest stuff I ever saw little kids do. Nothing short of uniformed chaos

 

[aTUfan]

How much does haith's revolving door on players cost?

 

[astonmartin708]

How much does haith's revolving door on players cost?

He’s had close to 20 players in 7 years who made it to campus and only saw one season (or fewer) on the court for him.


Petar Rusic
Stevie Repichowski
Keondre Dew
Kajon Brown
Micah Littlejohn
Peter Hewitt
Geno Artison
Simon Falokun
Will Magnay
TK Edogi
Travis Atson
Joseph Battle
Chris Barnes
Reggie Jones
Zeke Moore
Austin Richie
Christian Shumate
Isaiah Hill
Keshawn Williams
Possibly Curtis Haywood.

That’s a lot of money sunk into recruiting, development and occasionally redshirt scholarships where the player isn’t even playing.

If you include kids who only played for Tulsa for two seasons, that number jumps up even more.

To date, I only know of 5 kids that he’s recruited who stayed all 4 years. Taplin, Joiner, Jackson, Igbanu, Korita.

 

[drboobay]

He’s had close to 20 players in 7 years who made it to campus and only saw one season (or fewer) on the court for him.


Petar Rusic
Stevie Repichowski
Keondre Dew
Kajon Brown
Micah Littlejohn
Peter Hewitt
Geno Artison
Simon Falokun
Will Magnay
TK Edogi
Travis Atson
Joseph Battle
Chris Barnes
Reggie Jones
Zeke Moore
Austin Richie
Christian Shumate
Isaiah Hill
Keshawn Williams
Possibly Curtis Haywood.

That’s a lot of money sunk into recruiting, development and occasionally redshirt scholarships where the player isn’t even playing.

If you include kids who only played for Tulsa for two seasons, that number jumps up even more.

To date, I only know of 5 kids that he’s recruited who stayed all 4 years. Taplin, Joiner, Jackson, Igbanu, Korita.

Wow! That seems nearly impossible.

 

[TU_BLA]

He’s had close to 20 players in 7 years who made it to campus and only saw one season (or fewer) on the court for him.


Petar Rusic
Stevie Repichowski
Keondre Dew
Kajon Brown
Micah Littlejohn
Peter Hewitt
Geno Artison
Simon Falokun
Will Magnay
TK Edogi
Travis Atson
Joseph Battle
Chris Barnes
Reggie Jones
Zeke Moore
Austin Richie
Christian Shumate
Isaiah Hill
Keshawn Williams
Possibly Curtis Haywood.

That’s a lot of money sunk into recruiting, development and occasionally redshirt scholarships where the player isn’t even playing.

If you include kids who only played for Tulsa for two seasons, that number jumps up even more.

To date, I only know of 5 kids that he’s recruited who stayed all 4 years. Taplin, Joiner, Jackson, Igbanu, Korita.

It pisses me off to know how good Will Magnay is now and he could have been in a Tulsa uniform helping us make legit runs. He played for the Pelicans the other day vs the Lakers and had a nice game. And this is a kid that wasn't run off and didn't leave for lack of playing time or what his future PT would look like. Sort of reminds me of how Jamel McLean left after virtually guaranteeing himself to be a 3.5 year starter here after his FR season.

 

[Chris Harmon]

Possibly Curtis Haywood.

No sign of him leaving up to this point. He's still a junior.

 

[TU 1978]

No sign of him leaving up to this point. He's still a junior.

Unless he’s shoved out the door along with KES.

 

[Chris Harmon]

He’s had close to 20 players in 7 years who made it to campus and only saw one season (or fewer) on the court for him.


Petar Rusic
Stevie Repichowski
Keondre Dew
Kajon Brown
Micah Littlejohn
Peter Hewitt
Geno Artison
Simon Falokun
Will Magnay
TK Edogi
Travis Atson
Joseph Battle
Chris Barnes
Reggie Jones
Zeke Moore
Austin Richie
Christian Shumate
Isaiah Hill
Keshawn Williams
Possibly Curtis Haywood.

That’s a lot of money sunk into recruiting, development and occasionally redshirt scholarships where the player isn’t even playing.

If you include kids who only played for Tulsa for two seasons, that number jumps up even more.

To date, I only know of 5 kids that he’s recruited who stayed all 4 years. Taplin, Joiner, Jackson, Igbanu, Korita.

Wow! That seems nearly impossible.

First, let's clear up some information. Stevie Repichowski, TK Edogi and Micah Littlejon were Manning signees -- and TK played 3 seasons at TU and Stevie played 2 seasons. Geno Artison played two seasons at TU. Simon Falokun had to retire from basketball for medical reasons, but it makes sense to count him.

So that list is actually 15 players at Tulsa for 1 season or less under Haith. Unfortunately, it's been happening even longer than that. Wojcik had 13 kids that played 1 season or less. Manning was only at TU for two seasons, and he signed four guys that played less than 50 games: Stevie Repichowski (49 games), Lew Evans (34), Zeldric King (21) and Emmanuel Ezechinonso (20).

That's 16 years with a lot of turnover.

 

[astonmartin708]

First, let's clear up some information. Stevie Repichowski, TK Edogi and Micah Littlejon were Manning signees -- and TK played 3 seasons at TU and Stevie played 2 seasons. Geno Artison played two seasons at TU. Simon Falokun had to retire from basketball for medical reasons, but it makes sense to count him.

So that list is actually 15 players at Tulsa for 1 season or less under Haith. Unfortunately, it's been happening even longer than that. Wojcik had 13 kids that played 1 season or less. Manning was only at TU for two seasons, and he signed four guys that played less than 50 games: Stevie Repichowski (49 games), Lew Evans (34), Zeldric King (21) and Emmanuel Ezechinonso (20).

That's 16 years with a lot of turnover.

Manning signed those guys, but they were forced out by Haith because he didn’t feel like they were on his level or he couldn’t make them work for the team he wanted to build. I count them for him. If we want to talk about kids that played few games or few minutes (like Big E) then there are a few more I could add to Haith’s list. Edogi was a MASSIVE screw up by Haith who chose to redshirt him as a junior just so he could have him play one season and leave as a grad transfer. Didn’t artison leave midway through the 2nd season and he barely played any minutes??? I count around 18-19 for Haith. He doesn’t get excuses for not keeping kids just because he couldn’t make them work. Just like Manning didnt get an excuse from you for keeping Zeldric King who was a Wojcik recruit but didn’t work out.

Lew Evans left when Haith was hired and likely might have stayed if Manning had. He was a good pickup by Manning and he really contributed to the NCAA run. He was actually another kid who was truly homesick and went closer to home.

In any case, I don’t think it’s a good thing to be compared to Wojcik in terms of how many kids are leaving your program considering how / why Wojcik’s head coaching career ended and how much of an A-hole we all know he was as a person.

 

[astonmartin708]

No sign of him leaving up to this point. He's still a junior.

I certainly read somewhere that Haith mentioned he was unlikely to return next year because of his advanced age (he’s already 24). In any case I would HOPE he wouldn’t return. He was the worst starter we had.

 

[Chris Harmon]

Manning signed those guys, but they were forced out by Haith because he didn’t feel like they were on his level or he couldn’t make them work for the team he wanted to build. I count them for him. If we want to talk about kids that played few games or few minutes (like Big E) then there are a few more I could add to Haith’s list. Edogi was a MASSIVE screw up by Haith who chose to redshirt him as a junior just so he could have him play one season and leave as a grad transfer. Didn’t artison leave midway through the 2nd season and he barely played any minutes??? I count around 18-19 for Haith. He doesn’t get excuses for not keeping kids just because he couldn’t make them work. Just like Manning didnt get an excuse from you for keeping Zeldric King who was a Wojcik recruit but didn’t work out.

Lew Evans left when Haith was hired and likely might have stayed if Manning had. He was a good pickup by Manning and he really contributed to the NCAA run. He was actually another kid who was truly homesick and went closer to home.

In any case, I don’t think it’s a good thing to be compared to Wojcik in terms of how many kids are leaving your program considering how / why Wojcik’s head coaching career ended and how much of an A-hole we all know he was as a person.

In that case, Wojcik's numbers go up to for forcing out some of Phillips' guys. It goes both ways. I'm not making excuses for anyone, I just wanted the information to be correct. The main point is that there has been a lot of roster turnover in the past 16 years, which is not good.

 

[red dirt]

I hope Haith is forcing players out that do not contribute, It is about winning, period. Scholarships are one year contracts. They sign one each year.

 

[Original TULSAFAN]

I hope Haith is forcing players out that do not contribute, It is about winning, period. Scholarships are one year contracts. They sign one each year.

So... when is Haywood leaving? The poorest player I've seen get significant minutes in a Tulsa uniform since I became a fan in 1994.

 

[TU_BLA]

Shaka Smart has resigned at Texas. How much does TU need for a buyout? I will contribute whatever I can.

 

[rusty-c]

Shaka Smart has resigned at Texas. How much does TU need for a buyout? I will contribute whatever I can.

I always liked Smart, but thought he was not going to be a good fit for Texas (is anyone?). However, I get the feeling that the Frank Haith ship is going to stay docked in Tulsa a while longer as it continues to rot and sink. After Shaka's years in Texas he may need need a couple years of intensive therapy to manage the PTSD that place creates.

 

[Bill Lowery]

Shaka Smart has resigned at Texas. How much does TU need for a buyout? I will contribute whatever I can.

He’s going to Marquette. Leaving before he was fired. He was owed $7.1 million for his remaining 2 years. Signing with Marquette will negate some or all of that payout.

 

[TU_BLA]

Marquette is a good fit for him too. Damn.

 

[astonmartin708]

I hope Haith is forcing players out that do not contribute, It is about winning, period. Scholarships are one year contracts. They sign one each year.

I wish he didn’t need to force kids out because it would mean his recruiting didn’t suck.

 

[Bill Lowery]

I wish he didn’t need to force kids out because it would mean his recruiting didn’t suck.

You could say that about most of the college coaches.

 

[astonmartin708]

You could say that about most of the college coaches.

True. I wish we had one of the good ones.

The problem isn’t really giving kids the boot. It’s giving kids the boot and then replacing them with more kids that you give have to give the boot. That’s the difference between our coach and some of the top coaches.

 

[el duran]

So... when is Haywood leaving? The poorest player I've seen get significant minutes in a Tulsa uniform since I became a fan in 1994.

Deion James wants you to hold his beer.

 

[Li'l Eric Coley]

Deion James wants you to hold his beer.

lmao, I thought the exact same thing!