Of Haiths remaining contract and Rick has probably been told you are stuck with him till his contract is done regardless of any damage his last year may cause to the program who is now the 2nd best program in its own city.
We all know that Tulsa will not pay a buyout
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At this point they will lose more money keeping him in the long run, because nobody will go to the games
We don’t know any of that.
We don't know how things are playing out. There apparently is a very difficult negotiation going on.
I’m even more convinced the negotiation is for extended contract with reduced salary significant and a low buy out
Hope not, sometimes you just have to rip off the bandaid. Yes we will pay him his buyout, but in the long run , you are going to make more than that back by packing the Reynolds Center because we are good again, it’s like a credit card , Frank is our debt we keep paying interest on, time to pay off the credit card
I think about last year’s WSU game. Tulsa fans are hungry to be good and relevant again. There are a ton of fans ready for TU basketball to good again.
And there’s no guarantee the next guy is going to fix it either. We struck gold with the hires in the 90s...we haven’t seen that again. Who has?
You are unfortunately probably right. The large donors may not come through even though this may be the lowest payout time to do it. Frank though may balk at another reduction or buyout elimination. May be at a log jam.
Part of that IMO is ADs kept extending contracts to coaches who were not getting it done ( Bubba with Doug, and Gragg with Haith)
A contract extension that's not really a contract extension.
Boynton isn’t any better than Frank as a coach, BUT HE’S ONE HELL OF A RECRUITER !
Look what Tom Izzo has to endure with a player’s disrespect at Thursday’s game and he’s taken Michigan State
to the tournament 25 times. However he puts up with this crap because he knows you can’t
win without talented players, which Tulsa doesn’t have .
From all I’ve heard Liberty’s thread title is wrong. I’m not saying Haith is gone, but money for a buyout isn’t a problem if they decide to make the change.
I sure hope you are right but I would be shocked if Haith is still not there next year.
Bubba did that with Wojcik and Wojcik counted Southwestern Arkansas Boys School and the CBI as wins. I think we finally have an AD that knows basketball unlike the last one.
I’m not convinced an extension is happening. It’s probably my never ending optimism but I still think a change will be made.
Again, I am not saying Haith is gone. Only disagreeing on thread title. I do agree with you in hoping for a change.
Even if they have now raised the money for the buyout, there may be some influential members of the Board of Trustees ( non-basketball people) who feel it is " the wrong time" to make this kind of decision. They don't understand (yet) that this doesn't need to be an obstacle. They may be in the process of being convinced. Maybe the long wait is a good thing..... I think the decision is a toss up at this point. If the new President is already known to some, then they might even have a conversation regarding it even though the President is not officially on board till July. Interesting times for the future of TU basketball while we sit here cheering all the other Oklahoma D-1 basketball teams in the NCAA tournament who get a million dollars + worth of free publicity.
I am rooting for ORU, which is a weird feeling. But I never, ever pull for the state schools.
That is quite offensive. You might as well spew a slew of expletives on here.
Same for me. I had to take an extra shower yesterday though because I feel so dirty rooting for ORU.
Thanks for finally sorta agreeing with me that a hasty decision likely does not benefit anyone.
They were still interviewing finalists two weeks ago, so I doubt there is an incoming President recommendation at this point. Even if there is one, there has not been enough time for that person to familiarize themselves with the issues to make reasoned input and in any event has not been delegated any authority.
During the last search there were several stories floating around about how “this person has it wrapped up” or “she is so talented it must be her.” Then we hired the third or fourth most qualified person who applied from SMU who had no background in college sports. I doubt they’ve concluded the search or that “the hay is in the barn” as others have suggested in other threads.
A hasty decision on the president or on Haith?
A quicker decision on Haith means that we can start looking for a coach sooner (and don’t have to compete with other schools in searches or lose out on candidates who sign elsewhere in the interim like Kim English at George Mason, not that I want Kim English) the quicker we get the coach, the more time they have to right the ship in recruiting.
Anyone watching the NCAA tournament right now knows Paul Mills will be the hottest name in coaching. We may have had a chance after only 1 win, but with 2, someone in the ACC, SEC, Big XII contemplating a coaching change is going to nab him. I look at TCU and KState, Iowa State as potential landing spots. SEC-Vandy, So Carolina. ACC-Miami, BC.
Also, the crazy amount of publicity ORU is getting now. FREE PUBLICITY. You can't go to any news site and not see ORU plastered on it. Twitter- ORU upsets Florida, reaches Sweet Sixteen, ESPN has ORU as its top story on its home page. The praying hands are everywhere. And I know the VP for Enrollment Mgmt at ORU. She is going to use this in their marketing campaigns to students, especially in the state and region. If OU loses to Gonzaga tonight, they will fully use the "Only Oklahoma school to reach the NCAA Sweet Sixteen". And Mike Carter is raising money now to give Mills and his staff a raise and an extension...and I wouldn't be surprised if they start a campaign to renovate the Mabee Center. They're going to strike while this iron is hot. I say this to say this is all the more reason for TU, the BoT, and the AD to make sweeping changes because this type of publicity and excitement for a school is possible with investment (have to spend money to make money). Every year you push it down the road, is 3 years extra of trying to get back to this point. The question simply needs to be: Is Frank Haith the coach that can get us to this point? The answer is no and there's 6 of 7 years worth of not reaching the NCAA tournament to prove it...and ZERO if you're talking about reaching it with his players.
I think he’s far beyond the level of drake after this performance (at least from a perception standpoint)
Why don’t you think he would be a good fit right now? The only thing I’m hesitant about is that his success has been almost solely due to the extraordinary play of two kids with a few decent role pieces around them. I’m just not sure if you want to bet on him getting those same two kids consistently... but he might be able to do it. I do like how his offense runs for them. I also like that they’re a pretty decent man defense team which is necessary in this era of distance shooting.
Also, if we grab him from ORU it would likely either be a bust or a rental and we would be looking for a coach again in a few years much like Self was. If he outperformed his situation at TU like he has at ORU he would be quickly snatched up by a medium name like Manning, Tubby, and Self were.
And I'm OK with this. We need to be the destination of choice for every up and coming coach. 10 years solid it worked in getting to the NCAA tournament (and screwed out of one in Self's 1st year because someone couldn't hit a couple of FTs late).
But I think you're right...I'd expect that Iowa State is already contacting his agent (and they're probably contacting the agent of the Drake and North Texas coach). Does Iowa State have the type of draw to pull a coach like Tinkle from Oregon State (I'd expect Indiana might call on him as well). If we're talking coaches moving...does a school like Indiana make a play for Boynton from Oklahoma State? He's losing his $$$ player to the NBA and it's highly likely the NCAA denies their appeal and they serve their postseason ban next season. He's a proven recruiter and he can coach the x's and o's well enough. Does a P5 go after Rice from Boise State? He's built that program from doormat to perennial contender in the MWC.
Who else?
Whoever it is, it seems like there are a slew of up-and-comers available in the market and not too many suitors at our level yet. It would nice to be get a jump on some places that might let go of their coaches and cause a domino effect / bidding war (if Texas gets rid of Smart or Florida gets rid of White it might cause ripple effects)
