I never thought I would have seen the day where Shake Milton signed for more than Russell Westbrook.
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I want nothing but the worst for him. Pat Birt will always be in your nightmares.
There is the "Jordan Clarkson" award given each year anonymously on this board for the "most selfish player" award.
Pressey more so than Ruffin. Still, Clarkson’s career NBA stats are significantly better as a whole. Clarkson turned out far better than anyone here could have imagined. Are we happy for his success due to his TU connections or are we still bitter and hope he gets released mid-season?
Bingo Smith did pretty well too. Had his jersey retired by the Cavs.
Technically Ruffin is still in the NBA as he is an assistant with the Suns (wonder if he'll move to Detroit with Monty Williams).
I don't claim Clarkson as a TU player. He was a turncoat and traitor. He could have stayed here and still had this nice career in the NBA and probably been as big a star in CUSA. BUT...if he stays we probably don't ever get to watch Shaq in a TU uniform. Most TU fans gladly claim Shaq over many players in TU history because he simply gave every last drop of energy to TU.
We should be realistic too, a big chunk of this class is rehab projects - guys who were highly recruited out of HS but were pressing dents in the bench as a FR and probably had no ongoing role at their previous schools. Hopefully a change of scenery and coaching will do them good and they'll develop like expected in HS. I wonder how many of that type of guy ends up being a significant contributor at their next school? Good news is that we only need some of them to work out since we have so many of them.
It would be interesting for some data nerd to do a chart of all the coaches from the last 20 years to see how many years you need to be able to tell what a coach will be like for the long run. I'm guessing that it's like year 2 or 3. If they're sucking wind then, probably very, very few end up being good. But I'm just making that up.
Are you thinking that in the olden days, mainly only guys 11-13 transferred but now, with easier rules, guys in spots say 8-13 are transferring so there may be more talent on average available than a few years ago? It'll be interesting to see. I like the approach, esp. if you need 12 guys, take a number of these projects and see if you can get a couple to live up to the HS promise. The risk is that the best will peak at role player (hello Marqus Ledoux) and most will DeAngelo McDaniel. The success of this bet will likely determine whether Konkol works out or not.
Konkol really needs success this upcoming season for recruiting purposes. He isn’t going to have the luxury of two starting transfers he coached at his prior job going forward. To say this season is important for Konkol and the program is an understatement. Time to win.
He also needs this year's class to provide stability. We can't realistically hope to recruit 6+ quality guys a year. With 2 leaving next year, he needs at least 8 of the other 11 to be guys who will stay and can have a spot on the roster of a good team. Getting a goose egg from recruiting last year means that he needs this year to be extremely productive.
South Florida and Tulsa are the only American teams that are not in an in season tournament of some sort. There are still a couple MTE spots but most of these are already full.
https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/...nts-mte-thanksgiving-early-season-tournaments
https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/...nts-mte-thanksgiving-early-season-tournaments
There are seven tourney's that have open spots. Four we don't want to be in.(IMO) One we can't be in.(Tulane is already in.) There is 2 tourney's we'd take, if we were looking for one.(Continental Tire & Rocket Mortgage)
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Will there by any more news before the season other than the nonconference schedule?
Roster is finished?
Starters?
Not a word about my basketball season tickets.
Hard to get excited or renew seats without more info.
Task of TU AD? Konkol?
I don’t know if anyone cares about anything
Other than the OU football game.
Basketball has gone silent and that is a bad sign IMO
Roster is finished?
Starters?
Not a word about my basketball season tickets.
Hard to get excited or renew seats without more info.
Task of TU AD? Konkol?
I don’t know if anyone cares about anything
Other than the OU football game.
Basketball has gone silent and that is a bad sign IMO
You came back just to keep complaining?
Roster appears to be complete, hoping the schedule comes out soon and we won’t know starters until they step on the floor in November. I’m assuming the players are back to strength and conditioning now that school is starting again and probably individual workouts, practice should begin in about 6 weeks.
Practice starts again this week with group workouts, very different from the old October 15 Midnight madness days. They are just now releasing Football Season tickets so you won't see basketball season tickets until later. There is always one OOC opponent who backs out and needs replaced at the last moment.
Would you be happy if TU sent you one or two basketball players journal entries for the past month?
I was just watching some of the player intro videos and conditioning videos on the basketball Twitter page and I can’t wait to see these guys on the court.
Lol
I’m a fan since 1963
Always loyal
Hate if you want to (shake it off)
And a donor since I was able to do so from many many years ago
And a season ticket holder for 40+ years
I’m still hopeful Konkol can get it done
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Did you just quote Taylor Swift?
You may not want to compare spirit sticks, that’s a contest where you’ll likely come up short.
And I think Konkol is in over his head.
Good Lord.
This whole "Konkol is in over his head" crowd are really nauseating.
This whole "Konkol is in over his head" crowd are really nauseating.
Agreed, Konkol is right where he wants to be. Would he like a few more tools in the toy box to play with? Yep! Did he know that he was going to need to do a total rebuild when he took the job? Most likely... He's been successful prior to here, and it's likely imprinted on in his DNA to figure out how to be successful in whatever he attempts to do. Nothing to this point has changed my belief that he will right the ship and have a very successful stint as head coach at the University of Tulsa.
100%. Not a single coach, if any, would have been successful with that steaming turd last season.
It might be too early to say for sure, but I haven't seen anything to make me think anything different than this. Last year was pretty much a worst case scenario, he's dug himself a deep hole.
I just hope we don't end up with where he was at LaTech - too good to fire but not good enough to make the tourney. Saw that movie with Wojick, though at least Konkol seems like a really good guy, would rather be stuck with someone like that instead of a Dbag like Doug.
Bull crap. They may not have taken them to the NCAA tournament, but not every coach would have gone that far under .500
Year 1 was all about building the roster for the future. A good job would have been to come out of last year with 1 or 2 decent starters and 2 or 3 solid backups or young guys who can grow into good players, a first step in the right direction. We came out without a single servicable player. We're starting over. We basically gave ourselves the death penalty. That is the worst case from a competitive perspective.
Last year delays our rebuilding by probably 2 or 3 years. That's why this year is so important, Konkol needs an A+ year just to get back on track.
Did you see them in person? Awful. It was hard to see where a win would come from as of late December.
Its funny how most people thought basketball could be rebuilt in a season and football would take awhile.
I thought it would be three years for each.
Its looking like basketball will be three, maybe five years to where it is achieving what it is able to accomplish.
Football on the other hand, is looking like a distressed property in a good school district. The foundation and fundamentals are sound, it just needs a coat of paint, and somebody that knows what they are doing to clean it up inside. We've got that. Football has a chance to really surprise people if they can gain confidence by the midway point of the season.
There are tons of reasons last basketball season went the way it did. Almost none of them having anything to do with Konkol. The program needed significant adjustments off the court to put the court product in a position to be successful. Those changes continue to be implemented and improvement will result.
If you want to blame Konkol, the time to do that is probably about the time he fails, if he fails, to beat a significant non-conference opponent in Year 3.
Last year wasn't a Year Zero for him, more like Year -2. Give it time. The seeds being planted now will grow.
I thought it would be three years for each.
Its looking like basketball will be three, maybe five years to where it is achieving what it is able to accomplish.
Football on the other hand, is looking like a distressed property in a good school district. The foundation and fundamentals are sound, it just needs a coat of paint, and somebody that knows what they are doing to clean it up inside. We've got that. Football has a chance to really surprise people if they can gain confidence by the midway point of the season.
There are tons of reasons last basketball season went the way it did. Almost none of them having anything to do with Konkol. The program needed significant adjustments off the court to put the court product in a position to be successful. Those changes continue to be implemented and improvement will result.
If you want to blame Konkol, the time to do that is probably about the time he fails, if he fails, to beat a significant non-conference opponent in Year 3.
Last year wasn't a Year Zero for him, more like Year -2. Give it time. The seeds being planted now will grow.
I think everyone (I assume) expected 3 years for BB, I certainly did. The question is, are we still on pace for 3 years? Looks like you're skeptical, as you should be. Question is, can Konkol make up for the year that ended up being a complete loss? I hope so. Last year was a disaster but hopefully Konkol learned a lot from it and is a lot improved as a result. But last year made his job harder. Maybe Konkol will be like this kid.
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I consider last year as Haith pt 2. This year is konkol year 1B.
He made a mistake trying to make something out of Haith's players. It isn't going to kill him if he can pull something slightly under .500 at worst this year. If he wins 8 or 9 games this year then that puts him behind the 8 ball. If he only ends up keeping 3 to 4 players(Out of 10) from this years squad then we have something to be concerned about.
I'm not saying that kind of performance would kill his tenure, but it would put immense pressure on him to improve drastically in year 3.
I think what you're saying is you saw him on more of a 4 year timeframe to begin with, which is fair, and I was thinking 3. There's no right or wrong answer on that. Your expectation was probably more realistic TBH given that we knew when we hired him that he was a stretch hire and would have to take a step up and grow into the position, based on his performance at LaTech. I guess we should have expected an additional year for that.
Haith had faith in making something out of players that he had transfer in and it never amounted to what he thought it would.(Embry for instance) Konkol fell for Haith's misjudgment. I think he should have not had so much optimism in what he could make out of Haith's players, and got rid of 3 players that he had come back from the year before. But he might not have had enough time to bring that many quality recruits last year, even if he had done that. Can't cry over spilt milk.
