This is the Democratic Party.

[astonmartin708]

He copied five pages of a law review article word for word and submitted it as his own during his 1L. He was failed for the course but permitted to remain a student. He finished 76th out of a class of 85. When running for President 18 years later he responded to press questions about the incident saying he finished in the top half of his class and that he was the only student on full academic scholarship. He was on a half scholarship. At various times in his public life he was been caught plagiarizing more than a dozen times, as recently as the 2020 campaign in speeches and policy briefs. My favorite is a speech in the 90’s where he ripped off JFK and RFK in the same paragraph.

How many people has Trump lied to about paying them? There are cities around the country that his campaign still can't visit because he owes them money. He lied to his contractors doing his construction and swindled them out of money. He artificially inflated estimates of his personal wealth, his real estate value, etc... for decades for his own personal gain. He was caught by the DOJ swindling people with his fake university. He lied about his losses in the stock market. He lied about his bankruptcies. He lied about his performance at Wharton. He bragged about his own lying to women in his "grab em by the pussy" schpeel.

Anyone who ever dealt with Trump has a blurb about how dishonest he is. "During the time that I dealt with Mr. Trump, I was continually surprised by his mastery of situational ethics. He does not seem to be able to differentiate between fact and fiction" His own architects noted how often he lied. There are lines going back to the 80's where city officials in New York were using the line "I wouldn't believe Donald Trump if his tongue were notarized" . His ghostwriter on Art of the Deal said he had "a loose relationship with the truth"

He lied about his charitable contributions. He lied publicly about his interactions with the NFL when he ran his crappy football league. He put up false historical markers at his golf courses about Civil War battles not fought there. He lies about his golfing prowess (claiming club championships that were disproven).

He frequently appeared and made friends with publishers of newspapers like the national enquirer that published outright fallacies.

He lied about his faithfulness to his wives. He lied about having any semblance of Christian values. (When pressed on his favorite bible he couldn't name a single one after having bragged about the importance of the bible)

He lied about his observation of the WTC during 9/11. He lied about the aid he provided in the searches during 9/11. He lied about having seen arab gatherings in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. He lied about having predicted the attacks in a book published in 2000. He lied that Osama Bin Laden wasn't a known figure prior to 2001.

He lied about Obama's citizenship status. He lied about his father having been arrested at a KKK rally. He lied about his early life and the amount of money and support that he got from his family .... "small loan of $1 million dollars"

He lied about unemployment numbers during the Obama presidency. He lies about his weight, his health..... heck even the fact that he's going on 80 and still turning his skin orange and his hair blonde is a lie.

Finally, his biggest lie came when he claimed that he won the last election. That one resulted in a violent insurrection aimed at overthrowing the US Constitution.

As I said.... Biden's not a saint..... I'll give you the fact that he may have plagiarized campaign speeches and even a document in college..... I'll even say that much like other presidents he hasn't been completely truthful as president, vice president, or as a senator.....

But the scale of the liars is different and if you can't see that then you're just ignorant. I barely even mentioned his lies while in office...

There is a difference between knowing that I need to take what Biden says with a grain of salt and "I wouldn't trust Trump if his tongue were notarized"

 

[astonmartin708]

“Hamas is nothing but a handful of terror cells”

“Inflation is transitory”

I’m sure I could find many more.

Biden has been lying about stupid crap for years. No clue why but it’s been a very long pattern. Didn’t he even plagiarize a paper while in college ?

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Hamas IS nothing but a handful of terror cells. It's certainly does not have a military capable of prolonged engagements or prolonged offensives / defensives. Like I said in a previous post.... they're somewhere between the boyscouts and the inept Iraqi military in the second desert storm.

The total estimated fighting force is somewhere between 15,000 and 40,000 all packed into a fenced off area 1/5th the size of Tulsa county. They are able to fire improvised / garage made rockets.... and as we saw a couple months ago they can use farm equipment, motorcycles and a couple gliders to make conduct a terrorist raid.

Heck, the ISIS fighting force was estimated to be 3-10x bigger than Hamas. Not exactly the Wermacht or even the Taliban we're talking about here.

 

[lawpoke87]

Hamas IS nothing but a handful of terror cells. It's certainly does not have a military capable of prolonged engagements or prolonged offensives / defensives. Like I said in a previous post.... they're somewhere between the boyscouts and the inept Iraqi military in the second desert storm.

The total estimated fighting force is somewhere between 15,000 and 40,000 all packed into a fenced off area 1/5th the size of Tulsa county. They are able to fire improvised / garage made rockets.... and as we saw a couple months ago they can use farm equipment, motorcycles and a couple gliders to make conduct a terrorist raid.

Heck, the ISIS fighting force was estimated to be 3-10x bigger than Hamas. Not exactly the Wermacht or even the Taliban we're talking about here.

Complete mischaracterization of Hamas and their weapon stock….again

https://www.inss.org.il/social_media/hamass-weapons-arsenal-what-did-we-start-with-and-what-is-left/

 

[TUMU]

How many people has Trump lied to about paying them? There are cities around the country that his campaign still can't visit because he owes them money. He lied to his contractors doing his construction and swindled them out of money. He artificially inflated estimates of his personal wealth, his real estate value, etc... for decades for his own personal gain. He was caught by the DOJ swindling people with his fake university. He lied about his losses in the stock market. He lied about his bankruptcies. He lied about his performance at Wharton. He bragged about his own lying to women in his "grab em by the pussy" schpeel.

Anyone who ever dealt with Trump has a blurb about how dishonest he is. "During the time that I dealt with Mr. Trump, I was continually surprised by his mastery of situational ethics. He does not seem to be able to differentiate between fact and fiction" His own architects noted how often he lied. There are lines going back to the 80's where city officials in New York were using the line "I wouldn't believe Donald Trump if his tongue were notarized" . His ghostwriter on Art of the Deal said he had "a loose relationship with the truth"

He lied about his charitable contributions. He lied publicly about his interactions with the NFL when he ran his crappy football league. He put up false historical markers at his golf courses about Civil War battles not fought there. He lies about his golfing prowess (claiming club championships that were disproven).

He frequently appeared and made friends with publishers of newspapers like the national enquirer that published outright fallacies.

He lied about his faithfulness to his wives. He lied about having any semblance of Christian values. (When pressed on his favorite bible he couldn't name a single one after having bragged about the importance of the bible)

He lied about his observation of the WTC during 9/11. He lied about the aid he provided in the searches during 9/11. He lied about having seen arab gatherings in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. He lied about having predicted the attacks in a book published in 2000. He lied that Osama Bin Laden wasn't a known figure prior to 2001.

He lied about Obama's citizenship status. He lied about his father having been arrested at a KKK rally. He lied about his early life and the amount of money and support that he got from his family .... "small loan of $1 million dollars"

He lied about unemployment numbers during the Obama presidency. He lies about his weight, his health..... heck even the fact that he's going on 80 and still turning his skin orange and his hair blonde is a lie.

Finally, his biggest lie came when he claimed that he won the last election. That one resulted in a violent insurrection aimed at overthrowing the US Constitution.

As I said.... Biden's not a saint..... I'll give you the fact that he may have plagiarized campaign speeches and even a document in college..... I'll even say that much like other presidents he hasn't been completely truthful as president, vice president, or as a senator.....

But the scale of the liars is different and if you can't see that then you're just ignorant. I barely even mentioned his lies while in office...

There is a difference between knowing that I need to take what Biden says with a grain of salt and "I wouldn't trust Trump if his tongue were notarized"

All politicians lie!!!!!

 

[astonmartin708]

Complete mischaracterization of Hamas and their weapon stock….again

https://www.inss.org.il/social_media/hamass-weapons-arsenal-what-did-we-start-with-and-what-is-left/

A bunch of antiquated small arms, garage made rockets…. That pretty much sums up a terrorist cell.

 

[astonmartin708]

All politicians lie!!!!!

What’s your point? Everyone lies. No one is without sin.

Some people lie more than others.

Trump lies much much much more often than any other government official in modern history.

 

[lawpoke87]

A bunch of antiquated small arms, garage made rockets…. That pretty much sums up a terrorist cell.

Yeah….pretty much

terrorist cell​

Noun

• a cell of terrorists (usually 3 to 5 members)
  • to insure operational security the members of adjacent terrorist cells usually don't know each other or the identity of their leadership

 

[astonmartin708]

Yeah….pretty much

terrorist cell​

Noun

• a cell of terrorists (usually 3 to 5 members)
  • to insure operational security the members of adjacent terrorist cells usually don't know each other or the identity of their leadership

Clandestine cell system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Viet Kong, French Resistance, IRA….

Hamas and Hezbollah are even mentioned.

A cell does not have to have 3-5 members. That being said, the thing about cell systems is not the relative size of each cell, it’s the decentralized operational hierarchy.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

I was under the impression that rockets were often brought to them by their regional sponsor, Iran. And when they run out of Iranian rockets, they are fairly ingenuitive and base their designs on Iranian designs. This no ma and pa rebellion. To make light of it as such is amusing, in a not so amusing light. Quit playing with words in such a maladroit way.

 

[astonmartin708]

I was under the impression that rockets were often brought to them by their regional sponsor, Iran. And when they run out of Iranian rockets, they are fairly ingenuitive and base their designs on Iranian designs. This no ma and pa rebellion. To make light of it as such is amusing, in a not so amusing light.

Yes they do use some Iranian supplied munitions as well as those from other state sponsors of terrorism.

Many of their rockets aren’t exactly elegant….

“Many of the rocket's components are made of common materials such as sugar, fertilizer, firearms cartridges, springs, nails, and steel cylinders.” They cost about $800 worth of supplies and are incredibly inaccurate & unreliable…. which is (partially) why they fire them indiscriminately, because they don’t have the capability to discriminate targets.

 

[aTUfan]

Hamas IS nothing but a handful of terror cells. It's certainly does not have a military capable of prolonged engagements or prolonged offensives / defensives. Like I said in a previous post.... they're somewhere between the boyscouts and the inept Iraqi military in the second desert storm.

The total estimated fighting force is somewhere between 15,000 and 40,000 all packed into a fenced off area 1/5th the size of Tulsa county. They are able to fire improvised / garage made rockets.... and as we saw a couple months ago they can use farm equipment, motorcycles and a couple gliders to make conduct a terrorist raid.

Heck, the ISIS fighting force was estimated to be 3-10x bigger than Hamas. Not exactly the Wermacht or even the Taliban we're talking about here.

Hamas isn't an army, neither was the KKK.

 

[lawpoke87]

Clandestine cell system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Viet Kong, French Resistance, IRA….

Hamas and Hezbollah are even mentioned.

A cell does not have to have 3-5 members. That being said, the thing about cell systems is not the relative size of each cell, it’s the decentralized operational hierarchy.

Stop. Hamas is the elected governing body in Gaza and has been for the last 20 years. They govern over two million people and have 20-40K armed fighters. This is the stupidest argument I have ever seen on this board and I’ve seen plenty.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

It's a governing body with armed fighters, terrorist cells, regional backers, behind the scenes manipulators(Russia), and generally a dangerous organization with written dictates to destroy israel while they govern Gazans with said intent. They use the population as protection, some against their will, and with some as willing participants. They had 45% of the population elect them, and at their lowest support level they had 25% of the population as vocal supporters. But there is always a large rabble who aren't vocal supporters, but who agree with them at a general level, enough to support their methods on some level, enough to cooperate with their methods through action or inaction. I'd say that kind of support is somewhere around 60% minimum, without cease. To not recognize the dangers of such an organization is an ideological acceptance of their goals, whether you admit it or not.

 

[lawpoke87]

I’m sorry that you feel your argument is stupid. I’m sorry I have to feel that way too.

Riddle me this Batman…. What does the Hamas military uniform look like? Where are their barracks?

You change your argument mid way through…. I think you just can’t stand when I’m right.

See pics in numerous articles included the one below. When fighting in Gaza they obviously don’t wear them as they want to blend in with the civilians and not be easy targets for the Israeli forces which vastly outnumber and outgun them. A tactic which fighters have employed for centuries btw.

Israel vowed to eliminate Hamas and its 25,000 fighters - can it be done?

Around 5,000 Hamas fighters have been killed since the 7 October attacks, according to an Israeli military officer, but that still leaves as many as 20,000 still alive.

news.sky.com

Article says Hamas military compounds are being targeted and bombed. Haven’t been in Gaza so I can’t tell you exactly where they are/were. However, they obviously exist.

Israel targets Hamas training ground on outskirts of Rafah, ramps up attacks in northern Gaza

Israel intensified its operations in northern Gaza and conducted precise strikes on eastern Rafah on Wednesday.

www.yahoo.com

Again…the stupidity here is off the charts.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Because they don't have set locations for their military, and hide amongst the people makes it better? Yeah right.

 

[astonmartin708]

The Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades are an integral part of Hamas. While they are subordinate to Hamas's broad political goals and its ideological objectives, they have a significant level of independence in decision making.[21][better source needed]

In 1997, political scientists Ilana Kass and Bard O'Neill described Hamas' relationship with the Brigades as reminiscent of Sinn Féin's relationship to the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) and quoted a senior Hamas official: "The Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigade is a separate armed military wing, which has its own leaders who do not take their orders [from Hamas] and do not tell us of their plans in advance."[34]

Carrying the IRA analogy further, Kass and O'Neill argued that the separation of the political and military wings shielded Hamas' political leaders from responsibility for terrorism with the plausible deniability provided made Hamas an eligible representative for peace negotiations as had happened with Sinn Féin politician Gerry Adams.[35]

The fighters' identities and positions in the group often remain secret until their death. Even when they fight against Israeli incursions, all the militants wear a characteristic black hood on which the group's green headband is attached. The Brigades operate on a model of independent cells. Even high-ranking members are often unaware of the activities of other cells. This allows the group to constantly regenerate after member deaths.[36]

 

[lawpoke87]

The Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades are an integral part of Hamas. While they are subordinate to Hamas's broad political goals and its ideological objectives, they have a significant level of independence in decision making.[21][better source needed]

In 1997, political scientists Ilana Kass and Bard O'Neill described Hamas' relationship with the Brigades as reminiscent of Sinn Féin's relationship to the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) and quoted a senior Hamas official: "The Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigade is a separate armed military wing, which has its own leaders who do not take their orders [from Hamas] and do not tell us of their plans in advance."[34]

Carrying the IRA analogy further, Kass and O'Neill argued that the separation of the political and military wings shielded Hamas' political leaders from responsibility for terrorism with the plausible deniability provided made Hamas an eligible representative for peace negotiations as had happened with Sinn Féin politician Gerry Adams.[35]

The fighters' identities and positions in the group often remain secret until their death. Even when they fight against Israeli incursions, all the militants wear a characteristic black hood on which the group's green headband is attached. The Brigades operate on a model of independent cells. Even high-ranking members are often unaware of the activities of other cells. This allows the group to constantly regenerate after member deaths.[36]

You’re still claiming 25,000 fighters operating in quasi independent groups is only a “handful of cells”? Again….just stupidity. It is numerically impossible to have a small number of cells comprise 25k fighters.

 

[TUMU]

What’s your point? Everyone lies. No one is without sin.

Some people lie more than others.

Trump lies much much much more often than any other government official in modern history.

Yes, everyone lies.
I probably wouldn't trust 90% of politicians.
I do not trust Trump or Biden.
Between our current VP and Pence. I wouldn't trust Harris at all.
I would probably trust Pence. IMO, he did step up, say and do the right things on Jan 6th.

 

[astonmartin708]

Yes, everyone lies.
I probably wouldn't trust 90% of politicians.
I do not trust Trump or Biden.
Between our current VP and Pence. I wouldn't trust Harris at all.
I would probably trust Pence. IMO, he did step up, say and do the right things on Jan 6th.

Pence isn’t going to be there. Obama was truthful more often than he wasn’t, though he tended to talk about feelings more often than he talked about facts and figures.

I suppose the best thing about Trump is that he’s reliably a liar. If you interpret everything he says as being false you probably get a good sense of what the truth actually is.

Other politicians use lies as a ‘seasoning’ of sorts and that unreliability makes them and the actual truth hard to gauge.

 

[astonmartin708]

You’re still claiming 25,000 fighters operating in quasi independent groups is only a “handful of cells”? Again….just stupidity. It is numerically impossible to have a small number of cells comprise 25k fighters.

I concede that my use of the phrase handful is understating the total number of combatants…. However I was using it in a somewhat laconic context to point out the disparity in military capability rather than the number of fighters…..

I’m sure the Spartans might have called the first wave of Persians “a handful” of dead during the first day of Thermopylae

 

[aTUfan]

and about 500 on college campuses here.

 

[noble cane]

Buying votes with the strategic reserves again...

Biden releasing 1 million barrels of gasoline from Northeast reserve in bid to lower prices at pump

The Biden administration says it's releasing 1 million barrels of gasoline from a Northeast reserve established after Superstorm Sandy in a bid to lower prices at the pump this summer.

apnews.com

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Buying votes with the strategic reserves again...

Biden releasing 1 million barrels of gasoline from Northeast reserve in bid to lower prices at pump

The Biden administration says it's releasing 1 million barrels of gasoline from a Northeast reserve established after Superstorm Sandy in a bid to lower prices at the pump this summer.

apnews.com

Poor plan with only temporary results, if even that.

 

[aTUfan]

What are the actual criminal charges against Trump in the hush money trial.

 

[astonmartin708]

What are the actual criminal charges against Trump in the hush money trial.

This is an over simplification, but falsifying documents (checks) to obscure a crime.

 

[noble cane]

This is an over simplification, but falsifying documents (checks) to obscure a crime.

I will simplify it further..

Defeating HRC and running against JRB for president...

 

[HuffyCane]

It will be interesting to see if the jury will be allowed to hear in closing argument jury nullification arguments. Typically it’s improper to argue that a person should be found not guilty because the law is unjust or is being used against a particular defendant for an ill purpose.

In this case, even if Bragg can prove the conduct was a crime, which he can’t beyond a reasonable doubt, it’s my understanding there’s enough evidence in the record to mention that Hillary Clinton was fined by the Feds for similar conduct, not prosecuted, and Bragg did not indict her.

 

[aTUfan]

This is an over simplification, but falsifying documents (checks) to obscure a crime.

what docs? what crime? by who?

 

[lawpoke87]

It will be interesting to see if the jury will be allowed to hear in closing argument jury nullification arguments. Typically it’s improper to argue that a person should be found not guilty because the law is unjust or is being used against a particular defendant for an ill purpose.

In this case, even if Bragg can prove the conduct was a crime, which he can’t beyond a reasonable doubt, it’s my understanding there’s enough evidence in the record to mention that Hillary Clinton was fined by the Feds for similar conduct, not prosecuted, and Bragg did not indict her.

Bragg will do whatever is necessary to get a conviction here. This is political just like the civil suit up there. I don’t see the DA or Judge particularly concerned about getting the conviction getting overturned on appeal…which I’m fairly confident will occur.

 

[HuffyCane]

I may have more faith in our country I guess. I think the jury will see there is an absence of evidence and find him not guilty, I cannot imagine a unanimous verdict of guilt. If he’s found guilty, our system of government has much bigger troubles than any imagined danger President Trump presents to liberal hegemony.

 

[lawpoke87]

New York sued Trump for inflating the value of speculative real estate on a loan app. A loan which never went bad and collateral which the bank approved of the claimed value. I’ve never seen anyone being sued by the state on a performing loan based on collateral. I don’t have a lot of faith left in our legal system and how’s it currently being utilized.

 

[aTUfan]

New York sued Trump for inflating the value of speculative real estate on a loan app. A loan which never went bad and collateral which the bank approved of the claimed value. I’ve never seen anyone being sued by the state on a performing loan based on collateral. I don’t have a lot of faith left in our legal system and how’s it currently being utilized.

if I tell the bank my house is worth $400,000.00 and zillow has it at $300,000.00, it isn't a crime

 

[astonmartin708]

I may have more faith in our country I guess. I think the jury will see there is an absence of evidence and find him not guilty, I cannot imagine a unanimous verdict of guilt. If he’s found guilty, our system of government has much bigger troubles than any imagined danger President Trump presents to liberal hegemony.

You prefer your public officials to be able to screw porn stars, bribe them to keep them quiet and then hide those expenses so voters don’t find out how devoid of morality the people they are forced to vote for are….

Good ole conservative values at work!

I’m sure Abraham Lincoln is looking down on all this smiling at what you’ve done to his party….. /s

I’m especially sure that he would appreciate your arguments on nullifying laws you don’t agree with rather than following the rule of law.

 

[aTUfan]

You prefer your public officials to be able to screw porn stars, bribe them to keep them quiet and then hide those expenses so voters don’t find out how devoid of morality the people they are forced to vote for are….

Good ole conservative values at work!

I’m sure Abraham Lincoln is looking down on all this smiling at what you’ve done to his party….. /s

I’m especially sure that he would appreciate your arguments on nullifying laws you don’t agree with rather than following the rule of law.

Clinton got a bj While President in the oval office and lied about it

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Clinton got a bj While President in the oval office and lied about it

And he got impeached over that.

 

[lawpoke87]

And he got impeached over that.

Did he get impeached over the BJ or impeached over lying under oath? Either way it was ridiculous. It’s been a very long time since the American people gave a rat’s ass who their Presidents have hooked up. Maybe back to JFK? I always thought part of Clinton’s appeal was his womanizing. Made him relatable to many

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Did he get impeached over the BJ or impeached over lying under oath? Either way it was ridiculous. It’s been a very long time since the American people gave a rat’s ass who their Presidents have hooked up. Maybe back to JFK? I always thought part of Clinton’s appeal was his womanizing. Made him relatable to many

Comme ci, comme ca. Just like Trump isn't on trial for sleeping with Stormy Daniels. The Republicans couldn't resist.

 

[lawpoke87]

Comme ci, comme ca. Just like Trump isn't on trial for sleeping with Stormy Daniels. The Republicans couldn't resist.

Yup. Funny how alike the two political parties are regardless of their denials.

 

[aTUfan]

still don't know what crime Trump committed.

 

[astonmartin708]

Clinton got a bj While President in the oval office and lied about it

Cool. So convict him.