Come on. I was making a funny skit. I don’t actually predict a depression. Maybe a recession of some magnitude but it’s unlikely to float into a full blown depression.
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Oh come on….be bold. Call your shot . Doesn’t have to be the Great Depression but stuff like soup lines in Utica Square.
Yeah I’m sure those oil heiresses will really struggle to keep their golden bracelets on while opening the door to Saks due to sheer malnutrition.
many of us have gone through a time of industrial layoffs.
when was the last time, the gov had a layoff?
when was the last time, the gov had a layoff?
Why start at the federal level when you have the Oklahoma Turnpike authority being a completely duplicative and unnecessary agency / privatized public monopoly?
What a ****ing embarrassment traitor Trump and Vance are in front of all the world today. Unbelievable that the former party that stood against Russian aggression now embraces it and Putin.
Don’t worry, the AP wasn’t allowed to cover it but Tass was there.
I hope he doesn’t make it to 100 days.
Don’t worry, the AP wasn’t allowed to cover it but Tass was there.
I hope he doesn’t make it to 100 days.
I don’t particularly love Kamala Harris…. But she was pretty much 100% correct in the debates. And Trump was a liar through and through.
So what Zelensky play here? He’s losing the war. Ukraine continues to lose territory to Russia. He’s losing fighting age men which can’t be replaced. Without a significant change of policy by NATO his negotiating position grows weaker month by month….he will have to cede more territory when and if a peace is reached.
Is he hoping the situation on the ground grows so dire that NATO commits troops and thus changes the trajectory of the war? About the only thing that makes sense imo. Quite the gamble considering the daily consequences his country is dealing with. Have promised been made by NATO members regarding troops?
Is he hoping the situation on the ground grows so dire that NATO commits troops and thus changes the trajectory of the war? About the only thing that makes sense imo. Quite the gamble considering the daily consequences his country is dealing with. Have promised been made by NATO members regarding troops?
People in glass houses. I think it's great risk for either of you to balance your rep on having a recession or not. These times are not holding to norms enougn to predict or not predict a recession.
Aston was talking about a depression not a recession. A short recession would not surprise me. In fact, I would predict a GDP contraction in the 1st quarter. The bond market is certainly beginning to price it in.
CNBC is already predicting a contraction.
Do a lot of stupid crap: the economy tanks.
What’s to say they don’t just go out on their shield?
Either Europe will step up, or they won’t… but I don’t think the ex Soviet states will sit idly by with Russian tanks that close to their capitals.
All signs point to the American conservative having sold the USA to the Russians by electing Trump and his kabal of spineless jackals.
Looks like we gave Reagan a bit too much credit for “ending the Cold War”…. In my opinion Russia just won the whole damned thing.
www.theguardian.com
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Looks like we gave Reagan a bit too much credit for “ending the Cold War”…. In my opinion Russia just won the whole damned thing.
Trump administration retreats in fight against Russian cyber threats
Recent incidents indicate US is no longer characterizing Russia as a cybersecurity threat, marking a radical departure: ‘Putin is on the inside now’
Exclusive: Hegseth orders Cyber Command to stand down on Russia planning
The secretary of Defense has ordered U.S. Cyber Command to stand down from all planning against Russia, including offensive digital actions, sources tell Recorded Future News.
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I would hope Zelensky has more loyalty to his people and country then to irrationally not find a way to bring them peace opposed to seeing his entire country destroyed and turned into part of the Russian empire.
Wouldn’t NATO have to approve a member country sending ground troops into the conflict? I just don’t see Europe having an appetite for a widespread war on the continent. Far more likely the pressure ramps up on Zelensky to agree to a peace deal than NATO countries committing to a ground war imo.
You seem to think Trump is offering a peace deal in which Ukraine doesn't buckle under to every whim and desire of Putin and/or Trump. He isn't offering that. Trump isn't leaving him any room but to give 100% in. That's not a peace deal, that's submission.
Zelensky has been cold to every peace deal submitted since 2022. This isn’t a new development or one specific to Trump. His line in the sand has been the return of those lands taken by Russia. Meanwhile, Russia has continued to cease more and more territory. His reluctance to find a peace when considering the military situation facing his country has never made a lot of sense to me. Again…unless he expects NATO to step in and become involved in a ground war and recapture the territory which Ukraine lost.
From what I can tell he hasn't even been offered to get back half the lands taken from his country ever, but you go on thinking he's cold on every peace deal that has been offered. When they aren't even offering half, then Zelensky has to set a line in the sand much over what he will take. That's just what you have to do when they aren't offering you anything reasonable. Otherwise they won'tever offer anything reasonable
I don't really give a damn whether this is anything new or not, it is the offer before him. It's the first real offer, and it's the only one that matters, because it is a real offer. Those other proposals weren't really offers. Trump offered him the land they took yesterday and that's probably most of, if not all of the land he would get back when the 'peace' deal is finished the way that Trump and Putin will demand it be finished.
"I guarantee you Trump is not in Zelensky's corner. unless he submits to free metal indefinitely. Trump wants it all, or he will give Putin 98% of what Putin wants. You excuse or ignore Trump's crap 96% of the time. But this is a country's land, form of government, and freedom at stake. Zelensky would probably start a conversation if offered 50% of the land and real protection. That is not even close to what is being offered. Trump is wanting him to bow down to Trump and at the same time have faith that Trump will act in his best interest. The only thing Trump has given him faith in, is that Trump will act in the best interest of Trump and Putin.
One thing for sure is that Zelensky was effectively baited by Trump and Vance. Tactically, he handled them poorly. He got into talking over one another and should have been wiser.
On the substance he is right. But he is dealing with childish bullies.
On the substance he is right. But he is dealing with childish bullies.
Oh, and none of this rebuke should have been in front of the media, and in the public's eye. That should have been in private negotiations. But that was choreographed intentionally to shame Zelensky publicly. Trump has no clue what diplomacy is, nor does he care to. For him diplomacy is him preening to the public and people bowing down.
Tactically, I don't know that there was a good response open to Zelensky. Certainly, there was a better response than the one he tried to give, but I don't know that it would have been a good response. He was put in a predicament that might not have had a good resolution.
Avoiding a direct response and not talking over. But Trump would make that hard to execute.
Below is a history of peace plans and negations from the beginning of this war. It is quite clear that Zelensky has never accepted any peace which Russia retains any of the territory it’s captured. Zelensky has also demanded that Russia leaders be prosecuted for war crimes. Zelensky knows neither of these demands will be agreed upon by Russia. I said Zelensky has been cold to prior peace plans. Cold is probably giving him too much credit.
For a guy who’s largely dependent on third parties giving him arms and money along with the fact he’s losing the war makes his hard line intriguing. Again….i assume he is hoping NATO commits troops so he can recover the territory he has lost and is willing to watch Russia make further gains in this hope. I don’t think his belief and actions are reasonable but it is what it is. At the end of the day, he will get a much worse deal than he could have received two years and hundreds of thousands of lives ago. As has been the case, every month which passes be negotiating position gets worst. Yet he persist down this path with no viable path to win this war…hell no viable path to even prevent more territory loss.
Russia-Ukraine war: All the proposed peace plans explained
Ukrainian President Zelenskyy has asserted that the plan proposed by Ukraine should be enacted.
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So what do you recommend he should do?Below is a history of peace plans and negations from the beginning of this war. It is quite clear that Zelensky has never accepted any peace which Russia retains any of the territory it’s captured. Zelensky has also demanded that Russia leaders be prosecuted for war crimes. Zelensky knows neither of these demands will be agreed upon by Russia. I said Zelensky has been cold to prior peace plans. Cold is probably giving him too much credit.
For a guy who’s largely dependent on third parties giving him arms and money along with the fact he’s losing the war makes his hard line intriguing. Again….i assume he is hoping NATO commits troops so he can recover the territory he has lost and is willing to watch Russia make further gains in this hope. I don’t think his belief and actions are reasonable but it is what it is. At the end of the day, he will get a much worse deal than he could have received two years and hundreds of thousands of lives ago. As has been the case, every month which passes be negotiating position gets worst. Yet he persist down this path with no viable path to win this war…hell no viable path to even prevent more territory loss.
Russia-Ukraine war: All the proposed peace plans explained
Ukrainian President Zelenskyy has asserted that the plan proposed by Ukraine should be enacted.www.aljazeera.com
Same answer as it was three years ago. You either commit sufficient forces to win or force Russian capitulation OR you make peace and stop the killing and destruction of Ukraine.
I’ve never seen this as a complicated question. If NATO isn’t willing to enter into a ground war with Russia then you make peace
He would be viewed as a traitor by his own people to simply capitulate to Russia now.
Below is a history of peace plans and negations from the beginning of this war. It is quite clear that Zelensky has never accepted any peace which Russia retains any of the territory it’s captured. Zelensky has also demanded that Russia leaders be prosecuted for war crimes. Zelensky knows neither of these demands will be agreed upon by Russia. I said Zelensky has been cold to prior peace plans. Cold is probably giving him too much credit.
For a guy who’s largely dependent on third parties giving him arms and money along with the fact he’s losing the war makes his hard line intriguing. Again….i assume he is hoping NATO commits troops so he can recover the territory he has lost and is willing to watch Russia make further gains in this hope. I don’t think his belief and actions are reasonable but it is what it is. At the end of the day, he will get a much worse deal than he could have received two years and hundreds of thousands of lives ago. As has been the case, every month which passes be negotiating position gets worst. Yet he persist down this path with no viable path to win this war…hell no viable path to even prevent more territory loss.
Russia-Ukraine war: All the proposed peace plans explained
Ukrainian President Zelenskyy has asserted that the plan proposed by Ukraine should be enacted.
Screw your article on plans that were proposals & never really seriously considered or offered to Russia & Ukraine. This is a plan that is finally being offered and considered by both Russia and Ukraine. I don't give a crap about all your plans that got Zelensky's standard response. That was just a bargaining point to the far right.
He was ready to sign a plan that really was up in the air and only offering piddly things like what land he lost yesterday, offering to sign a decent respectable offer on mineral rights instead of what Trump asked for up front, with offers of protection in that deal by the US. He was going to sign, and Trump was dishonest is his 'deal making' and lied about being ready to sign that deal. Otherwise Trump wouldn't have baited him with Vance.
What do you think he came to sign, some wonderful deal that gave him back all his lands, no. He was going to sign a deal that relied on faith in Trump's later bargaining. Shut up about what he was signing, he was ready to sign on faith, not lands coming back to Jordan. What the hell.
Drawing boundary lines where they currently exist is a common practice in peace accords. No clue why this would be submission. So much dribble in this thread. Everyone is ignoring reality Zero plan to win a war which Ukraine is losing. Just a lot of complaining with no solutions. Meanwhile people keep dying ,Ukraine is being destroyed and keeps loosing dirt, and its negotiating position keeps deteriorating
Zelensky has had years to negotiate a peace deal. He has refused to give an inch despite knowing Ukraine loses a long term conflict. But yeah. Let’s continue to watch your country destroyed, people killed and Russia eventually taking over the country.
Again….win the war or make peace.
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Stop foisting peace in a people fighting for their own freedom and land back.
You just come off as someone capitulating to Russian aggression.
Secondly, stop whining about the death toll when you didn’t have any problem with the Israelis using US weapons while leveling Gaza a few months ago. You only care about deaths when they inconvenience your world view. (Or the world view being fed to you)
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When Trump started talking about WW3 Zelensky should have asked him …”and if we do have a world war… whose side are you planning to be on Mr. President?”
Make Trump publicly declare his allegiance to Vladimir Putin.
Make Trump publicly declare his allegiance to Vladimir Putin.
No comment on this @lawpoke87 ??? Do you think it's acceptable that our cybersecurity organizations are capitulating to Russian infiltrators?All signs point to the American conservative having sold the USA to the Russians by electing Trump and his kabal of spineless jackals.
Looks like we gave Reagan a bit too much credit for “ending the Cold War”…. In my opinion Russia just won the whole damned thing.
Trump administration retreats in fight against Russian cyber threats
Recent incidents indicate US is no longer characterizing Russia as a cybersecurity threat, marking a radical departure: ‘Putin is on the inside now’Exclusive: Hegseth orders Cyber Command to stand down on Russia planning
The secretary of Defense has ordered U.S. Cyber Command to stand down from all planning against Russia, including offensive digital actions, sources tell Recorded Future News.
I want you to tell me that regardless of what happens in Ukraine you think it's okay for us to give a big hug to Vladimir's hackers.
I’m not a fan. I think it’s fairly clear that Russia is not our friend. They should be treated as such. I tend to dismiss The Guardian and its unnamed source as its usual left wing propoganda. However, therecord is a legitimate source with a very balanced story of just what is known and not known. As I said above, not a fan of cozying up to Russia.
Back to Zelensky, who do you think is advising him?
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