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HuffyCane said:
I had the opportunity to view in person the arraignment of one of the more publicized cases. The guy thought it was a joke until about half way through it when he realized he wasn’t going home. (And at his age and the conditions of most prisons, he might not be going home ever.)

You could see the concern grow organically on his face. I won’t speak for the guy but I’m guessing his emotions up to that point was “I’m white. They won’t send me to prison.”

As I said the day this happened, once they announced there was a coordinated bombing, I knew the people that did this were well funded and directed.

It was clear to me then, and it’s becoming more clear. The people on both the right and left, who think the defendants will get a slap on the wrist for this, are sadly mistaken. They dont have a lot of visibility into what US Attorneys office and federal crime courts prioritize. Even if this wasn’t on the news and it was five people at the Kansas Capitol in Topeka, you are going to be facing substantial custody time.
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I listened to a YouTuber who served time for a situation where he was a gun channel with an atf automatic weapon license, but he also had a girlfriend who he smoked weed with and some of his guns in his collection had their serial numbers obscured due to paint jobs. He wasn’t a violent criminal, he wasn’t dealing drugs. But they basically threw the book at him so he would plea down. I can’t imagine these insurrectionist will get off as easy as this guy who ended up serving 6 months.
 
These law enforcement folks live for this. It’s a righteous cause. A lot of other things that come through federal court are drug cases, mail fraud, and child pornography. It’s not something you want to deal with. This is.
 
McConnel is in the position of executioner on Trump, since Pence abdicated that responsibility. It's either a slap on the wrist or Impeachment & Removal from office.
 
I actually think Pence followed the law on the 25th amendment. Bad precedent to set. Impeachment is the remedy.

Lots of high drama today and this week. Will McConnell bring the senate back? Will Trump resign?

And this won’t go away. I expect investigations and likely removal proceedings for the QAnon supporters.
 
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Gold* said:
I actually think Pence followed the law on the 25th amendment. Bad precedent to set. Impeachment is the remedy.

Lots of high drama today and this week. Will McConnell bring the senate back? Will Trump resign?

And this won’t go away. I expect investigations and likely removal proceedings for the QAnon supporters.
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Trump won't ever resign.

You don't think the Trump speech to incite the riot was grounds for the 25th amendment? In my opinion doing that is grounds for being unable to discharge his duties. He is continuing to discharge his duties improperly, by picking Alamo to christen his wall. He could have picked any other city. And there is no forceful speech about avoiding violent actions in state capitols during inauguration. Inaction of this nature is inability to do his duties. He is willfully ignoring the situation because he wants a mini version of Washington to occur across the nation during Biden's inauguration. Those are grounds for being unable/unwilling to discharge his duties. Same difference to me. It is beyond his mental ability to function any other way.
 
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I don’t think it would ever get to removal. Trump would pull a Nixon if he found out from McConnell that the Senate had the votes to convict. Or, he would try going on a pardon spree including for himself.
 
He can’t pardon himself. He’s been advised not to do that. If he goes that direction, he will be indicted.
 
astonmartin708 said:
I don’t think it would ever get to removal. Trump would pull a Nixon if he found out from McConnell that the Senate had the votes to convict. Or, he would try going on a pardon spree including for himself.
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But he's got to be put under that pressure by McConnell and/or Pence for the resignation to happen.
 
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Gold* said:
He can’t pardon himself. He’s been advised not to do that. If he goes that direction, he will be indicted.
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If it’s the only way he might not go to jail (probably at the behest of the Supreme Court ultimately) then he might do it. Do we think the battle over pardoning himself would end in the Senate or the SC?
 
It would go to Supreme Court. But the better arguments are against self-pardoning. He should resign and have Pence pardon him. Then against, Pence may not do that.

The best comment I’ve heard this week is that if Trump has done nothing after the election, he would be leaving office with a record showing that he got some his goals done and would have controlled GOP into 2024. Now he’s a pariah that may have to flee the country.
 
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astonmartin708 said:
If it’s the only way he might not go to jail (probably at the behest of the Supreme Court ultimately) then he might do it. Do we think the battle over pardoning himself would end in the Senate or the SC?
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That's the only way one could be absolutely be certain of him resigning.(threat of jail)

If he didn't feel threatened by jail, he might play chicken with McConnell, over McConnell having to give up his supporters at the voting booths in the future.
 
Gold* said:
The best comment I’ve heard this week is that if Trump has done nothing after the election, he would be leaving office with a record showing that he got some his goals done and would have controlled GOP into 2024. Now he’s a pariah that may have to flee the country.
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There's always an alternate reality you can imagine where Trump has an ounce of shame and self-control and because of that he's a super effective and popular politician. Like, "hey, what if Trump hadn't acted like a total lunatic during the pandemic?" Cuomo has shown that you don't even have to do a good job. Regular people will give you the benefit of the doubt on a lot of things if you just act serious and competent. It's just not in his nature.
 
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I thought Rivalcane would have Google, but maybe he’s a web crawler guy.
 
Gold* said:
It would go to Supreme Court. But the better arguments are against self-pardoning. He should resign and have Pence pardon him. Then against, Pence may not do that.

The best comment I’ve heard this week is that if Trump has done nothing after the election, he would be leaving office with a record showing that he got some his goals done and would have controlled GOP into 2024. Now he’s a pariah that may have to flee the country.
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When has Trump ever shied away from taking the side with the worse argument? Lol
 
He really is going for the worst President in US history moniker hard.

His presidency has basically been if you wrapped the insurrectionism of Andrew Johnson, the racism of Andrew Jackson, the croneyism of US Grant, and the logistical incompetency of Hoover all into one stinking ball of :crap:. And then you put Vietnam era casualties on top of it.
 
astonmartin708 said:
It’s not a “narrative” it’s an objective fact. More people were arrested and injured outside the whitehouse during a much more peaceful protest which didn’t include storming a federal building, fighting an offensive action against police, or disrupting the most important process in our democracy, and the military was already on standby for Trump to get a photo opp holding a bible upside down.

There were no rubber bullets fired at the faces of these protesters yesterday and most of the arrests happened after they had already been cordially helped out of the capitol building whilst taking selfie’s with the police, and stealing / destroying federal property.Besides the girl that was shot by the secret service, the treatment to these people was vastly different to that of last summer.
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I agree. This is ridiculous. Look at all the property damage and psychological damage done to our country by the racist right. They have destroyed our country. How will we reign this in? I saw someone suggest that we need an event that helps us take their guns. That’s when we make the move to reform them. That’s the only way to purge these racist terrorist right?
 
shon46 said:
I agree. This is ridiculous. Look at all the property damage and psychological damage done to our country by the racist right. They have destroyed our country. How will we reign this in? I saw someone suggest that we need an event that helps us take their guns. That’s when we make the move to reform them. That’s the only way to purge these racist terrorist right?
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Huh? What on earth are you talking about?
 
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shon46 said:
I agree. This is ridiculous. Look at all the property damage and psychological damage done to our country by the racist right. They have destroyed our country. How will we reign this in? I saw someone suggest that we need an event that helps us take their guns. That’s when we make the move to reform them. That’s the only way to purge these racist terrorist right?
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Yeah, I've heard nobody talk gun control over this.

Way to distract.

Are they still saying stop packing to your buddies.
 
shon46 said:
They are still there 😉
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No politicians of any consequence brought it up in relation to this incidence, no media of any consequence brought it up related to this incidence, no rioters did any damage with a gun. The only gun used that did any harm was the police 🚔 officer that shot and killed that former military woman. No call 📱 for officers to have their guns taken away over this.

You just don't feel you have anything to say 💭 on this, other than that distraction that is a non sequitur to the event.

So to follow along with that I referenced my own non sequitur. Why didn't you respond to that? Your boys all packed up yet?
 
Did you watch the Democratic Convention this year? What did they say about Gun control? What did they promise about gun reform if they were in control? What did Biden say about the NRA the other day?

My buddies are still in the White House. Normally when you take a position there, you are assigned and come from a different agency or part of gov. When it’s Time for you to go, the gov has to pay for you to move back to the organization you came from. That’s called a PCS. That hasn’t happened for anyone working there. I wonder why not? 🤔
 
shon46 said:
Did you watch the Democratic Convention this year? What did they say about Gun control? What did they promise about gun reform if they were in control? What did Biden say about the NRA the other day?

My buddies are still in the White House. Normally when you take a position there, you are assigned and come from a different agency or part of gov. When it’s Time for you to go, the gov has to pay for you to move back to the organization you came from. That’s called a PCS. That hasn’t happened for anyone working there. I wonder why not? 🤔
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I really hope you go away on January 21.
 
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shon46 said:
Did you watch the Democratic Convention this year? What did they say about Gun control? What did they promise about gun reform if they were in control? What did Biden say about the NRA the other day?

My buddies are still in the White House. Normally when you take a position there, you are assigned and come from a different agency or part of gov. When it’s Time for you to go, the gov has to pay for you to move back to the organization you came from. That’s called a PCS. That hasn’t happened for anyone working there. I wonder why not? 🤔
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It hasn't happened yet. Keyword, yet. They will get rooted out. There are a lot of people to be rooted out. It's not like any change of administration before. Trump has put his minions all over the place, it will take time. There are many incompetent yes men everywhere in this administration, and Trump has been blocking Biden every chance he gets on a smooth transition.

In a couple of six months come back and HONESTLY tell me that none of your buddies have received a PCS...
 
Gmoney4WW said:
Yeah, I've heard nobody talk gun control over this.

Way to distract.

Are they still saying stop packing to your buddies.
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I love the "they're going to take away your guns" crowd.
The only person that would attempt that is the currently impeached one.
 
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That's much different than taking away guns.

I'm for stricter laws and banning certain imports, even buy backs.
But, The majority of gun owners aren't going to sell their guns in a buy back and acquiring the weapon you want will only become slightly to moderately more difficult.
Anyone who feels their guns might be taken away already has an armory full of weapons and ammo.
The intent is to make it hard for Crazy Freddy to pick up an AR and modify it to auto so he can play tough guy at the local school.

It was interesting to see Mullin and others scared and hiding when their own supporters were storming the Capitol.
They supported these folks who support them yet, they were terrified they were in the same building as them.
That says a lot about their support of Trump... They're too afraid to not support him but terrified in their support of him.
 
Weatherdemon said:
That's much different than taking away guns.

I'm for stricter laws and banning certain imports, even buy backs.
But, The majority of gun owners aren't going to sell their guns in a buy back and acquiring the weapon you want will only become slightly to moderately more difficult.
Anyone who feels their guns might be taken away already has an armory full of weapons and ammo.
The intent is to make it hard for Crazy Freddy to pick up an AR and modify it to auto so he can play tough guy at the local school.

It was interesting to see Mullin and others scared and hiding when their own supporters were storming the Capitol.
They supported these folks who support them yet, they were terrified they were in the same building as them.
That says a lot about their support of Trump... They're too afraid to not support him but terrified in their support of him.
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I get the intent and I personally support some level of gun reform but saying that you will „destroy the NRA“ invites many gun loving people to believe you will take their guns. Let’s not forget, many far left political members openly support taking guns. The other sides concern does hold some merit.
 
Mandatory buybacks are confiscation. I don’t think that will be implemented federally and I don’t think it’s relevant to a conversation about what happened at the Capitol, but when someone says that, “taking away your guns” is literally what they mean.
 
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Pure distraction from Shon.

Repost another topic about gun regulation, cuz the riot had nothing to do with it.
 
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