Now that is Trump v HRC
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Wrong and wrong . Trump is a liberal who has camped on a couple of hot conservative issues based on anger . I will boat for neither of them even if I have to just pick a name out of the list . I will consider voting for the Libertarian candidate which will probably be Johnson just as a protest vote . What we have is two unacceptable candidates . It is interesting that Trump does the best in the liberal north eastern states .
The two candidates with the highest negative ratings win the nominations for each party. What a wonderful country.
Agree with WATU...most Reps in the end will vote for Trump due to the dishonesty factor surrounding Hillary. Hillary wins the general but it won't be the landslide most are predicting. This country is getting exactly what they deserve. Another corrupt politician owned by special interest. Nothing will change.
Agree with WATU...most Reps in the end will vote for Trump due to the dishonesty factor surrounding Hillary. Hillary wins the general but it won't be the landslide most are predicting. This country is getting exactly what they deserve. Another corrupt politician owned by special interest. Nothing will change.
I would argue that Trump isn't a done deal yet... If he loses Indiana, he will have a big uphill battle to get to 1237. Even if he gets there, Cruz has been working hard to get his acolytes installed as delegates, and also onto the rules committee. Even if he comes in with 1237, the rules committee could unbind all delegates on the first ballot, or change the required majority to 2/3, or all sorts of other shenanigans. There's also the potential for a big credentials fight, also controlled by a committee that Cruz has been trying to pack. Cruz could object to seating South Carolina's contingent of Trump delegates based on the fact that he has seemingly reneged on his pledge to support the eventual nominee, which was a requirement for candidates in SC.
If any of that happened, it will get really really ugly in Cleveland. I hope it doesn't, and cooler heads let Trump take the nom. But there is enough distaste for him that I don't think you can rule anything out at this point.
In a Trump vs. HRC matchup, I hold my nose and vote for Hillary. She's not my favorite candidate, but oddly enough I trust her more than Trump. Working in the industry that I do, I find his comments that the US would be better off if Japan and South Korea developed their own nuclear weapons to be downright terrifying.
Is anyone on the ballot this year in OK besides the two main choices? OK has some of the toughest ballot access laws in the country, and usually there is no write-in option, and only the major D and R candidates. Last I checked, Libertarians were slated to be on the ballot in 48 states, with one of the 2 missing being OK.
If any of that happened, it will get really really ugly in Cleveland. I hope it doesn't, and cooler heads let Trump take the nom. But there is enough distaste for him that I don't think you can rule anything out at this point.
In a Trump vs. HRC matchup, I hold my nose and vote for Hillary. She's not my favorite candidate, but oddly enough I trust her more than Trump. Working in the industry that I do, I find his comments that the US would be better off if Japan and South Korea developed their own nuclear weapons to be downright terrifying.
Is anyone on the ballot this year in OK besides the two main choices? OK has some of the toughest ballot access laws in the country, and usually there is no write-in option, and only the major D and R candidates. Last I checked, Libertarians were slated to be on the ballot in 48 states, with one of the 2 missing being OK.
Hillary will skillfully play victim when Trump hits her. The smartest thing she can do is run a positive campaign and not give anti-Trump republicans a reason to vote for him by trying to out-left Bernie and antagonizing them. The more she hits Trump the more people will like him.
Traditional the primaries are just an avenue where the eventual presidential candidates have to pander to their bases. Everyone moves closer to the center the nearer you get to November. You can't win the election based on fringe voters. You have to win moderates.
That being said, I think Trump did a lot of damage to himself with moderates over the last few months. I'm predicting a squeaker of a race come November but I think Hillary will probably win by 4-5 points on election day. I don't really like either candidate. The only positive I might have in a Trump world is that oil would probably uptick a couple of bucks initially. Other than that, they're both two sides of the same ridiculous coin.
That being said, I think Trump did a lot of damage to himself with moderates over the last few months. I'm predicting a squeaker of a race come November but I think Hillary will probably win by 4-5 points on election day. I don't really like either candidate. The only positive I might have in a Trump world is that oil would probably uptick a couple of bucks initially. Other than that, they're both two sides of the same ridiculous coin.
For the very first time the state of Oklahoma added a third party, and the Libertarians will have their nominee on the November ballot.
Hillary will win and unless FBI reports something . It wouldn't have to be an indictment but a strong FBI finding of fault and I don't even know if they can do that . Let me quickly add that my predictions so far have been 100 percent wrong . I had Rubio wining it all .
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Rubio would have won the general election. A young relatively moderate hispanic from a major swing state.... if he had got someone like Kasich as his running mate who would have won him Ohio, he would have taken the whole enchilada. Instead the far right of the party gravitated towards Trump.
FWIW I don't think Rubio was moderate even in a relative sense. He was on the one issue that could kill him this year, but overall he's about as far right as anyone in the field. In my opinion he just has that Obama-like quality that makes him seem more moderate than he actually is.
And Trump's appeal has never been ideological. Both his support and opposition has come from large chunks of every faction in the party.
And Trump's appeal has never been ideological. Both his support and opposition has come from large chunks of every faction in the party.
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Falls in line with the article you posted on another thread? Both parties are being deeply influenced by people's' dissatisfaction with the effects of inverted totalitarianism? Whatever the name, our politics reflect that our system is no longer delivering on their expectations.
Trump's court date for the Trump University fraud suit may be scheduled before the election as well. We will know soon. If so, expect him to settle.
Rubio wouldn't have won the general election, Rubio proved he couldn't walk and talk at the same time, that he proved. Quite robotic Lil' Marco was, Hillary would have destroyed him, like she'll destroy the GOP nominee, Donald Trump. Will be a bloodbath nationally, greatly affect the downside races.
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O'Reilly is already pimping for Trump on Fox. The story is that the country will see the real reasonable Trump now that he has won. He can't get any of his guests to go along. Peter King and Krautheimer just wanted off the program. K said he couldn't vote for Trump, and O'Reilly kept asking why not?
Fox is caving in.
Fox is caving in.
I will vote HRC... The devil I know.
Vote HRC for empress, vote TEA party for congress, and begin the secession process.
Vote HRC for empress, vote TEA party for congress, and begin the secession process.
Hillary just lost Indiana to a 74 year old socialist. All the contested convention talk has been on the Rep side. That discussion is now over. Bernie seems content to go the convention and challenge Hillary. If she hasn't won enough delegates for the nomination will we have a challenged convention ?
She won't win enough pledged delegates to win outright, but that's only because it is pretty hard to do that. I don't think Obama did in 2008 either. But she's won more states, more total votes, and about 300 more pledged delegates than Sanders. If I were a super delegate, there's no way in hell I'd support Sanders, all politics aside. So he can try if he wants, but he'll lose in a public spectacle, and only succeed in undermining his own message by making this about him instead of about the issues he supposedly cares so much about.
Bernie has some friendly states coming up in the primary schedule. He needs to gain some momentum in those then have a good showing in California headed into the convention. He could easily be within 150 won delegates at the end of the primary season. He's running a good 8 points ahead of Hillary in the matchup against Trump in the general. With several recent polls suggesting Trump pulling even and possibly ahead of Hillary in the general could Bernie parlay his momentum and strength against Trump to sway the Supers to his side at the convention? Probably his only hope
Trump ran a largely racist, xenophobic campaign, and the other GOP nominees failed to fight back because by and large, a slight majority of the GOP constituency largely agrees with what he has been spouting. Democratic nomination is already finished, most Democrats understand this now, it will be Clinton vs Trump in the main event.
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It's just sad that the Republicans had to put up Trump instead of someone more moderate. I might have actually thought about switching sides (temporarily) if it was a trustworthy republican moderate vs Hillary who is "moderate" but also straight untrustworthy.
Now I'm forced to choose the lesser of two evils.
Hillary " moderate "...... Wow... Just.. Wow... I guess if you mean moderately Mao-ist.
Trump is a liberal/moderate who has handpicked a couple of issues (immigration) to appeal with conservatives. Watching those conservatives lose their minds if he is elected and begins to implement policy along his ideological lines would be priceless. I believe Hillary was ranked as the 11th most liberal Senator in each of her sessions. Not sure if I would classify her as a moderate especially considering the far left turn she has made in the primary. Assume you haven't listened to her in the debates?
Unless we have a decent libertarian or independent party candidate show up, I'm voting Hillary. She sucks out loud, but she doesn't suck as bad as Trump. I am hoping she swings more moderate when not facing Bernie, which I think she will. I don't think her decisions as President will be nearly far left as she has appeared during the campaign up to this point.
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I agree. Her viewpoints don't really scare me since she's been having to compete against a super progressive in Sanders. I'm worried about her doing shady / underhanded BS.
Compared to Sanders she's basically a republican. Compared to Cruz she's Karl Marx.
Really I just want someone that knows how to compromise. That word, compromise, has somehow taken on a negative connotation recently. Some of the greatest governmental feets in our nation's history were compromises and I want someone who can listen to both sides and hash out a deal that will represent everyone instead of just the majority. Unfortunately I don't think either of these candidates are that person.
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I a.m. going to vote libertarian although I really doubt that my vote will decide the election anyway. Barring a big surprise Johnson the former governor of New Mexico will once again be in the libertarian nominee . Like all candidates I don't agree with everything he says but he isn't Trump or Clinton.
He can honestly say " I am the only candidate on the stage who has climbed Mount Everest "
He can honestly say " I am the only candidate on the stage who has climbed Mount Everest "
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Foreign and Trade Policies usually trip me up when it comes to voting Liberatarian, and Johnson doesn't seem much different than past candidates in his party on those issues. Their policies usually seem to be headed down the isolationist road.
I am already receiving emails and links to pro-Trump pieces from guys who said they would NEVER vote for him. Here's an example. (Was she in a media vacuum the past 6 months? Very professionally produced.)
Trump may have the media magic to make people forget the last 6 months and ignore his track record, if so, we'll be calling him Mr. President.
Listening to him last night underscored his mastery of the media that allows him to make emotional appeals and promises without offering any sense of what he stands for or how he would deliver. It's like the old saying about a second marriage being the triumph of hope over experience.
Trump may have the media magic to make people forget the last 6 months and ignore his track record, if so, we'll be calling him Mr. President.
Listening to him last night underscored his mastery of the media that allows him to make emotional appeals and promises without offering any sense of what he stands for or how he would deliver. It's like the old saying about a second marriage being the triumph of hope over experience.
He's one hell of a skier, too. Someone pointed him out to me at Taos one day and the guy can shred and make it look easy.
We will see as many votes against a candidate than for a candidate in this Presidential election. Two awful options.
