nuke us!!!!!!!
I would hope the head coach position at Tulsa (where you played) is a little different than coaching at Texas State. Now maybe he still would leave us for Houston. We will never know. We failed to hire the best guy though imo especially given the Tulsa connection.
I didn’t say we shouldn’t have hired Kinne. I was onboard to hire him for the position. If he would have had success here and he was offered the Houston job, he still probably would have left. The we would be right back where we were. Hindsight in play, if they leave for Houston then we made the right decision which is exactly what I said
Some here would lead you to believe that our players are so bad that nobody could have been successful this year.
Double Tulsa connection. His wife was our head cheerleader and she went to Union for good measure.
Uh...so the University wasn't looking for the coach to make us good? What a weird post.
That is not what I said at all. I said they were looking for a coach who would do a complete rebuild, get the team back on the right path and start building it back up. No where did I say they werent looking for a coach to make us good. Kinne is a coach you put in when you already have pieces in place. He is a young coach and does not have the experience to completely rebuild a program which we needed. You need someone with experience for that. I SAID he might not get us to the promise land and that isnt what they were necessarily looking for with this hire. He was meant to rebuild us from the ground up. Get the pieces in place and hopefully get us back to bowl games and good years.
Texas State was awful before Kinne got there, and definately didn't have many pieces in place.
I think you're spot on, but, I think finding Francis will make our turnaround that much quicker starting next season. The offense finally looked somewhat normal with him running the show...he just has that IT factor.
Some of the best hires in the history of this athletic department were "unseasoned" and "unknown" and "too much of a gamble".
That is not what I said either. I didnt say Kinne can't rebuild. I said when you are looking for a coach to rebuild you typically look for coaches who have experience and done it before. They have years under their belt. You guys are acting like I said Kinne wouldnt have been a good hire. I did not say that either. I did say it wouldn't have been a smart hire and I stand behind it. It's too much of a gamble of a hire for what they wanted done. All I said is why TU did what they did and why they didnt go for Kinne. When you are looking for someone to rebuild from scratch...you typically dont start looking at people who have absolutely zero experience doing that. Doesn't mean they can't do it, or that we missed out on a hire.
Lateral move for Fritz. Houston is going to be the doormat of the Big XII for many years (battling with Cincinnati and BYU for that distinction)...whoever gets hired this go round will be looking for a new job in 3 years...mark my words
I watched a lot of college football this past weekend. Things I noticed....Kirk Francis makes the hardest throw in the book look easy. The throw to the far side from the opposite hash...it's a long throw and many times they get jumped and picked or the QB simply doesn't even get the ball there. Francis makes it look easy. QBs I saw not able to make that throw consistently this weekend: BYU, Arkansas, Iowa State, Florida, UCLA.
I think the board is underselling just how damn good Francis is....he's the guy going forward and I don't think it's a question.
Hope you’re correct. Braxton looked really good at the end of last year and we were saying the same thing about him. Francis has been damn impressive for a freshman.
LOL, you're trying to have a nuanced conversation with someone whose idea of nuance is a sledgehammer to the jaw. I get what you're saying. KW did a thing at IU and the powers who be must have thought we needed that same thing. That thing involved going 1-11 his first year and I assume some serious structural work on the house followed by the best 8 year run at IU since the 90s. Not everybody is cut out to do that kind of work. I have no idea if Kinne is that kind of guy but what KW is doing is not necessarily the same as taking a 4-8 team and making them 7-5 by bring in new talent and schemes.
Indiana being his only stop as HC deserves to be pointed out as well. He has done about as well as anyone ever has there I believe. In my opinion the real scrutiny will be starting this next season at TU.
Pegging the future of the program and your highest paid employee’s tenure on a walk on is a Massive gamble.
Im cheering for Kinne as well. I only pointed out why TU did what they did. I didnt even say I agreed with TU (I do) but that doesn't matter. I just know the rationale behind their hiring. I would have been ok with Kinne as well.
You don’t have to be an geazerly hard ass just to motivate people to go to class.
I wasn't on the committee, I don't know why they hired KW. But I assume it was because he was a successful OC at 2 different top 5 programs over 10 or something seasons who had a certain skill set that matched our job and was available at a price we could afford based on his history at IU. We couldn't afford the DC at Arkansas, I'm sure the OC at Ohio State is usually a lot more expensive if it weren't for KW's history. Maybe they thought he would be able to do a house cleaning that the other options couldn't (keeping in mind that he was the #2 choice). I don't know. I'm just reacting to the responses to TUcandoit's post, which were either intentionally or unintentionally dense. As TUcandoit said, different turnaround jobs need different skills. I'm sorry if people are not able to understand that but it's true. Failure to understand or accept facts does not make them cease to be facts.
Taking the IU job considering the history there should tell you something about the candidate’s decision making prowess. I don’t expect someone at IU to compete with Michigan year in and year out, but being a big 10 school that’s worse than Bowling Green should tell you something.
True, but adding those tasks to the overwhelming responsibilities most head coaches have on their plate it just seems prudent to have a geazerly hard ass in place to manage that rather than a near peer.
The type and degree of motivation that is required differs greatly based on the person you're dealing with. Some people need the harda$$ approach and tough love, and some people as coaches and leaders can't give that. Anyone who's had more than 1 boss understands this, though I know admitting basic realities are not conducive to "winning" the debate.
True. But Tom Allen, who succeeded KW at IU, had two winning seasons and a better overall record there than KW before he was canned last week.
