Loyola
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The Loyola announcers can’t believe how horrible the TU offense is
At this point I wonder about the team’s mental framework
Loyola is in my view mediocre
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This team is disappointing not well coached
And Jared Garcia if he ever returns will not change that
If the season plays out as I expect I’ll skip the last month and hope Konkol is canned
At this point I wonder about the team’s mental framework
Loyola is in my view mediocre
Up 20 with.15
This team is disappointing not well coached
And Jared Garcia if he ever returns will not change that
If the season plays out as I expect I’ll skip the last month and hope Konkol is canned
My wife was saying that it isn’t nice of them screaming “you let the whole team down”
Konkol's offensive scheme has been mediocre for years now. It doesn't generate good looks. Honestly, Haith's offense was better. I think we have decent players at this juncture, but they're not being put into positions to succeed. Everything devolves into an isolated dribble drive to the basket. No meaningful screening, few cuts. Poor rebounding.
I can't believe we gave him an extension. I'm fine with letting the season play out, but I have no clue why we continually put ourselves in worse situations with coaching buyouts.
7 games (including the exhibition game) is a large enough sample size to understand what we have.
It’s pretty obvious that we were overzealous about the ORU win. They aren’t good at all this year.
We’ve played 3 average to decent mid-majors…and are 0-3.
This roster is broken…again. Not quite as bad as Konkol’s year 1…but worse than year 2.
I think these guards would be pretty good individually on other good teams, but collectively, they’re not long or skilled enough to overcome our inside deficiencies.
But…the massive issue is the glaring void of any discernible talent at the 4 and 5 positions.
It’s pretty obvious that we were overzealous about the ORU win. They aren’t good at all this year.
We’ve played 3 average to decent mid-majors…and are 0-3.
This roster is broken…again. Not quite as bad as Konkol’s year 1…but worse than year 2.
I think these guards would be pretty good individually on other good teams, but collectively, they’re not long or skilled enough to overcome our inside deficiencies.
But…the massive issue is the glaring void of any discernible talent at the 4 and 5 positions.
We will be at least a little better with Garcia. Enough better that we could have beat Arkansas Little Rock, and played a lot tougher game against Mizzou St.
When we do get Garcia back, I'd like to see us play around with this lineup a bit: two out of the three(Odom/Archie/Willis) and Amadi, Garcia, & Smikle.
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It is a disservice to Haith to compare. Listen, it was the right time to move on but he got us a tourney bid in ‘16 and won the conference in ‘19. He had impressive ranked wins like beating down a ranked Memphis by 40, beating a ranked K State in the Reynolds Center
He shouldn’t even be compared to Konkol.
First of all there are side notes to most of the things you cited. But more importantly, I am not saying Haith & Konkol's coaching career is any lesser or greater. I am saying most specifically, that their offensive systems both look the same. Large doses of street ball. That is true. So I disagree.
I wasn’t a Haith fan, but his teams were far more talented than Konkol’s so far.
He signed the 4 position about as well as any coach we’ve had.
He signed the 4 position about as well as any coach we’ve had.
It’s kind of hard to get an assist when you shoot 28.3% from the field and only make 17 field goals. Loyola would have still had 10 more assists than us even if we made all of our field goal attempts.
Especially when the offense is heavily focused on 3s and you only make 2 in 22 attempts.
Lots of bad in the game. The only positive, and it’s a stretch because it’s heavily impacted by our poor shooting, is we won the offensive rebounding and total rebounding.
Again, I was comparing their offensive systems not their recruiting.
But that was before NiL and open transfer, and he had 8 years of recruiting. As far as my memory goes, that encompassed Igbanu and Horne. The only recruiting class he hit it out of the park with, as far as the 4 goes, was 2016 with Magnay & Igbanu.
It's only Smikle's freshman season, he hasn't had a chance yet to show how far he can go. When you compare a 3 year history to an 8 year, you have to realize the players didn't have time to progress back then, and were less impressive at that point in their careers. Just as ours haven't had time to progress, and may become more impressive.
We didn't have a real idea how far Igbanu or Magnay would progress this early in the season in 2017.(and Magnay had already left) And Horne had just joined us in 2017. it was in 2018 & '19 before we absolutely knew what Igbanu was. Same thing for Horne. These were our primary 3, four position recruits. There wasn't any significant four recruits in years 4-8, unless you want to count Rachal, who was really a 3, playing the four spot. And at this point, the 2 we had were not really any more impressive than what we've had at this point.(Horne & Igbanu(circa 2017, 5 games in) vs Selebangue, Garcia, & Smikle)
So we had (at most) a slightly more promising career with Igbanu who was a sophomore, and that's it.(in comparison to Smikle this year, as a freshman) We had Selebangue who wasn't too shabby. Garcia is not bad. And we can't discount Reed or even Behrend, at this point, because we don't truly know where they are going. Comparing 3 years to 8 is not a fair comparison. If Konkol is here, then wait until year 5 or 6 to make that comparison. Then it will be a little closer to equal.
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Let’s compare Haith’s record the first few years. Or maybe the fact in his second year he made the NCAA tourney?
I will repeat it again, I was comparing his offensive s y s t e m, to Haith's, and you have not yet realized that.
And he made the play in game, without NiL and open transfer to deal with. We would probably have kept Selebangue and Haggerty if those two factors were the same.
But I will go back to the thing I was comparing in the first place, offensive system.
There is no evident difference between them on that count.
The other stuff was just an aside that you guys brought up, not what I was comparing. Have you got that straight yet?
Let’s not get overzealous there. He took an NCAA tournament caliber team and turned them into an NIT / play in caliber team….
That team under Manning was not making the tourney. Certainly an incredibly talented team but let’s not act like Manning was a great coach. There’s a reason he’s flamed out of as a HC.
Man, I didn't know we had a Haith lover on the board. I'll leave you two to Duke it out over whether Haith or Manning was better.
Etou was also a 4. Rachal was a 3/4…and was a stud.
I would love for Konkol (or TU) to procure an Etou, Rachal, Horne, or Igbanu. Just one to start would be great.
I would love for Konkol (or TU) to procure an Etou, Rachal, Horne, or Igbanu. Just one to start would be great.
Igbanu and Horne won us the conference (where we very well might’ve ended up in the NCAAs had COVID not happened)
Wouldn’t consider myself a Haith lover, tbh he was mediocre. But compared to the garbage hires we’ve had in every sport over the last 15 years, he probably is the best of the bunch.
Have to recognize the good with the bad. Was definitely time to move on but Konkol was a miss. He couldn’t make the tourney in 7 years at LA Tech, why expect him to do it here? Should’ve grabbed Mills who can actually win tourney games.
Its almost like letting a 70+ AD hire coaches when his entire record of hiring coaches was awful to begin with was a bad idea. The new guy walked into a mess, hopefully he starts with a better record on hiring head coaches because its likely he will be hiring the two most important jobs and a couple of other positions this year (softball).
Yeah, all this talk of how bad of a rehire that was, is not necessary, and not true. I'd like to see what would have happened if all these posters had been responsible for the hires, where their inexperience had made the hires, and been responsible for what had happened.
I hate whining. Bad hire. Good statement. Look ahead.
His one good hire at any school. Its not ageism, its a fact, that fact is an issue because he didn't have many connections that were up and comers i.e. young guys looking to make it big. So we got a lot of retreads or convient hires. If you think that a 70+ year old who already retired once is A) as good as he was in his 40s/50s or B) well positioned to know who the young new coaches are than thats a problem.
Age matters, it matters when you are too young to have experience and it matters when you are too old to still be with it. To pretend it doesn't is akin to saying having only one hand won't effect someone in a rope climbing contest.
We allowed a 70+ year old man make decisions about the future of our program because it was more convient than finding an actual AD. That was definitely a mistake.
